Can We Talk About HIV?

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    Sep 15, 2013 5:38 AM GMT
    CDC1 in 5 men who have sex with men in 21 U.S. cities has HIV; nearly half unaware.



    1. Over the previous month I've noticed the HIV/AIDS sub-forum barely move a few inches. While HIV/AIDS is such a heavy cloud over our heads we carry on like it's a sunny day.

    2. There's a few profiles I came across where the member listed they were HIV- and I knew for sure they were HIV+.

    3. A week or so ago I bumped into a friend inside a clinic I volunteer at mainly used by patients with HIV. I didn't know his status before then and it shouldn't be that big of a surprise, but it reminded me even your healthy, good looking friends could be living with the virus and you could be oblivious about it.

    4. I'm going to get pelted on, but is it time to downplay anal sex (recommend alternatives), scold guys for having numerous partners (shaming video stores, Grindr, etc), demand gay men date rather than hook-up and demand gay and bisexual men get tested regularly or else face shaming?

    5. CDC estimates that the majority of new sexually transmitted infections are transmitted by individuals who are unaware of their infection, and studies show that once people learn they are HIV-infected, most take steps to protect their partners. Therefore, because undiagnosed infection likely plays a major role in HIV transmission, reaching younger MSM with regular HIV testing is critical.




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    Sep 15, 2013 6:02 AM GMT
    Scared to death aren't you buddy?
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    Sep 15, 2013 6:15 AM GMT
    dustin_K_tx saidScared to death aren't you buddy?


    Not really. It would just be nice to leave this Earth knowing the infection rate in gay and bisexual men was on par with heterosexual men is all.

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    Sep 15, 2013 11:11 AM GMT
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    dustin_K_tx saidIt would just be nice to leave this Earth knowing the infection rate in gay and bisexual men was on par with heterosexual men is all.


    Well hopefully by the time you leave the planet there will be a cure!
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    Sep 15, 2013 2:05 PM GMT
    dustin_K_tx saidScared to death aren't you buddy?

    If youre not youre being stupid. HIV is a horrible disease that will change your quality life forever. Gays not giving a shit about it -like its clearly seen in this forum- is the reason HIV is still increasing among the gay community.
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    Sep 15, 2013 2:17 PM GMT
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE4. I'm going to get pelted on, but is it time to downplay anal sex (recommend alternatives), scold guys for having numerous partners (shaming video stores, Grindr, etc), demand gay men date rather than hook-up and demand gay and bisexual men get tested regularly or else face shaming?


    Should we also burn down straight video stores? Raid women's private home sex toy parties? Ban all blood transfusions? Let drug addicts die in ER rooms for fear of the disease? Send everyone that's HIV positive to concentration camps, gay or straight? Demand that everyone wear a condom at gunpoint?

    You're obviously terrified at the disease. Congratulations, the disease won already.
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    Sep 15, 2013 2:52 PM GMT
    PR_GMR said
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE4. I'm going to get pelted on, but is it time to downplay anal sex (recommend alternatives), scold guys for having numerous partners (shaming video stores, Grindr, etc), demand gay men date rather than hook-up and demand gay and bisexual men get tested regularly or else face shaming?


    Should we also burn down straight video stores? Raid women's private home sex toy parties? Ban all blood transfusions? Let drug addicts die in ER rooms for fear of the disease? Send everyone that's HIV positive to concentration camps, gay or straight? Demand that everyone wear a condom at gunpoint?

    You're obviously terrified at the disease. Congratulations, the disease won already.


    ...or he just has a very strong survival instinct, or doesn't want to be tethered to medication ($$$) etc if it can be avoided. icon_wink.gif

    Goober, it's too much, some of what you suggest, and not realistic or likely to get the motivation you'd like to see in others to be disease free.
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    Sep 15, 2013 4:17 PM GMT
    medical ≠ moral

    As excerpted from a recent email I wrote...

    "The new year talks all about being placed in the book of life or the book of death.

    I have two wishes for you.

    May you my friend be placed this year into the book of life.

    And may you my friend this year understand that death is not a punishment.

    It doesn’t matter into what book we are written.

    Peace & Love
    "

    So....

    Neither is HIV a judgment, nor should you judge by it.
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    Sep 15, 2013 7:32 PM GMT
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    dustin_K_tx saidScared to death aren't you buddy?

    . HIV is a horrible disease that will change your quality life forever.


    Actually NO it can now be a disease you can live with. I've seen the ravages of AIDS in the 80s. HIV+ does not = AIDS! Modern medicine has made it livable....if not perfect. Health insurance is rediculously expensive, as is the medicine.
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    Sep 15, 2013 7:50 PM GMT
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    CDC1 in 5 men who have sex with men in 21 U.S. cities has HIV; nearly half unaware.



    1. Over the previous month I've noticed the HIV/AIDS sub-forum barely move a few inches. While HIV/AIDS is such a heavy cloud over our heads we carry on like it's a sunny day.

    2. There's a few profiles I came across where the member listed they were HIV- and I knew for sure they were HIV+.

    3. A week or so ago I bumped into a friend inside a clinic I volunteer at mainly used by patients with HIV. I didn't know his status before then and it shouldn't be that big of a surprise, but it reminded me even your healthy, good looking friends could be living with the virus and you could be oblivious about it.

    4. I'm going to get pelted on, but is it time to downplay anal sex (recommend alternatives), scold guys for having numerous partners (shaming video stores, Grindr, etc), demand gay men date rather than hook-up and demand gay and bisexual men get tested regularly or else face shaming?

    5. CDC estimates that the majority of new sexually transmitted infections are transmitted by individuals who are unaware of their infection, and studies show that once people learn they are HIV-infected, most take steps to protect their partners. Therefore, because undiagnosed infection likely plays a major role in HIV transmission, reaching younger MSM with regular HIV testing is critical.







    1) I've been POZ for 27 years, and you bet it IS a sunny day! 1000 T-cells, 0 V-load, eveything 100% normal.
    2) I clearly put on my profile that I am POZ.
    3) a)Don't most HIV/AIDS clinics do free testing? Sounds like you are hindering #5.
    b) In the 80s and 90s it was the good looking studs that went first....explains why I'm still around! LOL
    4) Demand anything and you are a fool.
    5) I have "sometimes" safe on my profile. One member on here messaged me and was aghast that I could do that! I had to point out I usually date POZ guys. In the unlikelihood I was with a NEG guy it would be safe, VERY safe.
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    Sep 15, 2013 8:11 PM GMT
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    4. I'm going to get pelted on, but is it time to downplay anal sex (recommend alternatives), scold guys for having numerous partners (shaming video stores, Grindr, etc), demand gay men date rather than hook-up and demand gay and bisexual men get tested regularly or else face shaming?



    Huckabee was in favor of AIDS quarantine. You are one step away from that. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/08/huckabee-wanted-aids-quar_n_75924.html
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    Sep 15, 2013 8:27 PM GMT
    What exactly is this HIV you a yabbering about?
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    Sep 15, 2013 11:31 PM GMT
    People are seeing the original post as a judgement against people with HIV. They are mistaken.
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    Sep 15, 2013 11:40 PM GMT
    PR_GMR said
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE4. I'm going to get pelted on, but is it time to downplay anal sex (recommend alternatives), scold guys for having numerous partners (shaming video stores, Grindr, etc), demand gay men date rather than hook-up and demand gay and bisexual men get tested regularly or else face shaming?


    Should we also burn down straight video stores? Raid women's private home sex toy parties? Ban all blood transfusions? Let drug addicts die in ER rooms for fear of the disease? Send everyone that's HIV positive to concentration camps, gay or straight? Demand that everyone wear a condom at gunpoint?

    You're obviously terrified at the disease. Congratulations, the disease won already.


    To answer your question - none of those things.

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    And is there anything wrong with being terrified about contracting HIV?
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    Sep 15, 2013 11:44 PM GMT
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    PR_GMR said
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE4. I'm going to get pelted on, but is it time to downplay anal sex (recommend alternatives), scold guys for having numerous partners (shaming video stores, Grindr, etc), demand gay men date rather than hook-up and demand gay and bisexual men get tested regularly or else face shaming?


    Should we also burn down straight video stores? Raid women's private home sex toy parties? Ban all blood transfusions? Let drug addicts die in ER rooms for fear of the disease? Send everyone that's HIV positive to concentration camps, gay or straight? Demand that everyone wear a condom at gunpoint?

    You're obviously terrified at the disease. Congratulations, the disease won already.


    ...or he just has a very strong survival instinct, or doesn't want to be tethered to medication ($$$) etc if it can be avoided. icon_wink.gif

    Goober, it's too much, some of what you suggest, and not realistic or likely to get the motivation you'd like to see in others to be disease free.


    Then what is realistic? What we have now? It shouldn't get much better than this?
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    Sep 15, 2013 11:58 PM GMT
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    David3000 said
    dustin_K_tx saidScared to death aren't you buddy?

    . HIV is a horrible disease that will change your quality life forever.


    Actually NO it can now be a disease you can live with. I've seen the ravages of AIDS in the 80s. HIV+ does not = AIDS! Modern medicine has made it livable....if not perfect. Health insurance is rediculously expensive, as is the medicine.

    Im sorry but having to take countless expensive meds everyday for the rest of your life when having a limited sex life (taking extra precausions and not being able to bareback with neg partner) is to my eyes pretty horrible, not like in the 80s but still a hell of a good reason for gays to take precausions. Trying to dismiss this disease doesnt help, infections keep increasing among the gays for this exact reason.
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    Sep 16, 2013 12:03 AM GMT
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    unckabasa said
    David3000 said
    dustin_K_tx saidScared to death aren't you buddy?

    . HIV is a horrible disease that will change your quality life forever.


    Actually NO it can now be a disease you can live with. I've seen the ravages of AIDS in the 80s. HIV+ does not = AIDS! Modern medicine has made it livable....if not perfect. Health insurance is rediculously expensive, as is the medicine.

    Im sorry but having to take countless meds everyday for the rest of your life when having a limited sex life (taking extra precausions not being able to bareback with neg partner) IS still horrible


    There are single pill regimens.
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    Sep 16, 2013 12:09 AM GMT
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    Actually, there are single pill regimens.


    "However, these drugs are not appropriate for everyone. They can cause side effects that may be problematic for certain patients, and they're also expensive: currently, only brand-name options are available, and generic versions won't be hitting the market for several years. In addition, people who have a history of heavy treatment, or who are treatment-resistant, are unlikely to be eligible for single-pill regimens."

    You were saying?

    This is 2013 and HIV is still a fuckin disease no one wants to have. Whatever pill you take it will be expensive and will give you disgusting side effects and will limit your sex life. If you dont want to care about HIV youre being stupid.

    And by the way, sad thing is I believe they already have a cure, but they dont share it because theyve got a hell of a deal with the $$ they get from all the medication they sell.
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    Sep 16, 2013 12:18 AM GMT
    David3000 said
    GooberGeek said
    David3000 said
    unckabasa said
    David3000 said
    dustin_K_tx saidScared to death aren't you buddy?

    . HIV is a horrible disease that will change your quality life forever.


    Actually NO it can now be a disease you can live with. I've seen the ravages of AIDS in the 80s. HIV+ does not = AIDS! Modern medicine has made it livable....if not perfect. Health insurance is rediculously expensive, as is the medicine.

    Im sorry but having to take countless meds everyday for the rest of your life when having a limited sex life (taking extra precausions not being able to bareback with neg partner) IS still horrible


    Actually, there are single pill regimens.


    "However, these drugs are not appropriate for everyone. They can cause side effects that may be problematic for certain patients, and they're also expensive: currently, only brand-name options are available, and generic versions won't be hitting the market for several years. In addition, people who have a history of heavy treatment, or who are treatment-resistant, are unlikely to be eligible for single-pill regimens."

    You were saying?
    I repeat, this is a serious disease with no official cure, if you dont care about it and take precautions youre being stupid.


    I'm still saying that those regimens exist. Not everyone has to take a handful of pills.

    It's a complicated matter and I don't like downplaying OR exaggerating anything.
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    Sep 16, 2013 12:25 AM GMT
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    meninlove said
    PR_GMR said
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE4. I'm going to get pelted on, but is it time to downplay anal sex (recommend alternatives), scold guys for having numerous partners (shaming video stores, Grindr, etc), demand gay men date rather than hook-up and demand gay and bisexual men get tested regularly or else face shaming?


    Should we also burn down straight video stores? Raid women's private home sex toy parties? Ban all blood transfusions? Let drug addicts die in ER rooms for fear of the disease? Send everyone that's HIV positive to concentration camps, gay or straight? Demand that everyone wear a condom at gunpoint?

    You're obviously terrified at the disease. Congratulations, the disease won already.


    ...or he just has a very strong survival instinct, or doesn't want to be tethered to medication ($$$) etc if it can be avoided. icon_wink.gif

    Goober, it's too much, some of what you suggest, and not realistic or likely to get the motivation you'd like to see in others to be disease free.


    Then what is realistic? What we have now? It shouldn't get much better than this?


    What's realistic is recognizing that people are going to hook up. Straights, gays, lesbians, BIs, trans, people from all of those groups do it and I think you'd be hard pressed to find a time in history where none did.
    What's realistic is recognizing that the new meds have given some people a rather devil-may-care attitude towards the illness.
    What's realistic is the importance of educating those people I described, which actually is happening right here on this topic. icon_wink.gif It's all about safe conduct, not doing anything you're not comfortable with (like don't hook-up just because it's the in thing to do, don't risk your health just because your social circle is doing it)etc.

    Btw, GAMrican has made some dynamite posts recently about avoiding the illness, and those posts are very well put together and explanatory. Cheers!
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    Sep 16, 2013 12:29 AM GMT
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    GooberGeek said

    Actually, there are single pill regimens.


    "However, these drugs are not appropriate for everyone. They can cause side effects that may be problematic for certain patients, and they're also expensive: currently, only brand-name options are available, and generic versions won't be hitting the market for several years. In addition, people who have a history of heavy treatment, or who are treatment-resistant, are unlikely to be eligible for single-pill regimens."

    You were saying?

    This is 2013 and HIV is still a fuckin disease no one wants to have. Whatever pill you take it will be expensive and will give you disgusting side effects and will limit your sex life. If you dont want to care about HIV youre being stupid.

    And by the way, sad thing is I believe they already have a cure, but they dont share it because theyve got a hell of a deal with the $$ they get from all the medication they sell.


    1. Many of the patients I deal with are eligible for drug assistance programs (reducing the cost to $5+ a month) and somehow they're still living high. icon_neutral.gif

    2. I know plenty of patients who have been taking medication for years and still haven't experienced side effects. Some of them still have awesome sex lives. Some are in relationships.

    3. HIV is still something to avoid and something we should work on decreasing in our population. icon_wink.gif
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    Sep 16, 2013 12:38 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    GooberGeek said
    meninlove said
    PR_GMR said
    QUOTE AUTHOR GOES HERE4. I'm going to get pelted on, but is it time to downplay anal sex (recommend alternatives), scold guys for having numerous partners (shaming video stores, Grindr, etc), demand gay men date rather than hook-up and demand gay and bisexual men get tested regularly or else face shaming?


    Should we also burn down straight video stores? Raid women's private home sex toy parties? Ban all blood transfusions? Let drug addicts die in ER rooms for fear of the disease? Send everyone that's HIV positive to concentration camps, gay or straight? Demand that everyone wear a condom at gunpoint?

    You're obviously terrified at the disease. Congratulations, the disease won already.


    ...or he just has a very strong survival instinct, or doesn't want to be tethered to medication ($$$) etc if it can be avoided. icon_wink.gif

    Goober, it's too much, some of what you suggest, and not realistic or likely to get the motivation you'd like to see in others to be disease free.


    Then what is realistic? What we have now? It shouldn't get much better than this?


    What's realistic is recognizing that people are going to hook up. Straights, gays, lesbians, BIs, trans, people from all of those groups do it and I think you'd be hard pressed to find a time in history where none did.
    What's realistic is recognizing that the new meds have given some people a rather devil-may-care attitude towards the illness.
    What's realistic is the importance of educating those people I described, which actually is happening right here on this topic. icon_wink.gif It's all about safe conduct, not doing anything you're not comfortable with (like don't hook-up just because it's the in thing to do, don't risk your health just because your social circle is doing it)etc.

    Btw, GAMrican has made some dynamite posts recently about avoiding the illness, and those posts are very well put together and explanatory. Cheers!


    I get all that, but let me put it this way, recently the heterosexual black community has started to tackle HIV in black women and their rates have started going down.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/hiv-rate-united-states-black-women-gay-men_n_2332407.html

    I just wish we (gay/bi men) could take the initiative in aggressively tackling HIV.
  • Rhi_Bran

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    Sep 16, 2013 12:39 AM GMT
    This isn't the cure, but I recently found this article.

    http://www.kptv.com/story/23407485/aids-vaccine-created-at-ohsu-may-clear-virus-from-body

    They've been tinkering with a vaccine / cure that uses an altered strain of the cytomegalovirus. At this point it has successfully been able to seek out and destroy SIV infected cells in primates - SIV is what causes AIDs in monkeys, and is analogous to HIV.

    At any rate, scientists know why HIV is able to bypass human immunity. We know a surprising amount about how the virus actually operates. It's all just a matter of finding a way to alter immune systems so that our cells can block HIV from hiding in them.

    Also, if you want an interesting read, look up the few unusual cases about humans that have been found to be completely immune to HIV. There's been a few documented cases worldwide of certain people having a genetic mutation that enables their cells to not allow HIV to enter. I don't have any links for that though.

    However, a cure will take time. A practical cure is still years away. Be safe.
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    Sep 16, 2013 12:47 AM GMT
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    CDC1 in 5 men who have sex with men in 21 U.S. cities has HIV; nearly half unaware.



    1. Over the previous month I've noticed the HIV/AIDS sub-forum barely move a few inches. While HIV/AIDS is such a heavy cloud over our heads we carry on like it's a sunny day.

    2. There's a few profiles I came across where the member listed they were HIV- and I knew for sure they were HIV+.

    3. A week or so ago I bumped into a friend inside a clinic I volunteer at mainly used by patients with HIV. I didn't know his status before then and it shouldn't be that big of a surprise, but it reminded me even your healthy, good looking friends could be living with the virus and you could be oblivious about it.

    4. I'm going to get pelted on, but is it time to downplay anal sex (recommend alternatives), scold guys for having numerous partners (shaming video stores, Grindr, etc), demand gay men date rather than hook-up and demand gay and bisexual men get tested regularly or else face shaming?

    5. CDC estimates that the majority of new sexually transmitted infections are transmitted by individuals who are unaware of their infection, and studies show that once people learn they are HIV-infected, most take steps to protect their partners. Therefore, because undiagnosed infection likely plays a major role in HIV transmission, reaching younger MSM with regular HIV testing is critical.







    Okay, I have been HIV+ for 4 years now and I clearly state that on my profile. Also, any sexual partners I have had over the years I have informed ALL OF THEM about my HIV status BEFORE we did anything. I have been taking medication for it and my viral load is undetectable. I also maintain a healthy lifestyle which helps prevent the disease from getting worse. As long as safe sex is practiced and you get tested every 3 to 6 months you will be fine. HIV isn't like it used to be in the 80's. Since I started medication for it so early, I have been told by my doctor that as long as I take my medication every day and continue to maintain a healthy lifestyle, I can expect to live as long as a normal healthy adult.
  • Rhi_Bran

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    Sep 16, 2013 1:04 AM GMT
    ^ That is very true. Alongside taking the treatments, living a healthy lifestyle by exercising and partaking in a good diet will almost certainly help anyone with HIV live as long as anyone else.