Pope warns Catholic Church must find new balance on divisive issues or fail

  • metta

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    Sep 19, 2013 3:41 PM GMT
    Pope warns Catholic Church must find new balance on divisive issues or fail


    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/09/pope-warns-catholic-church-must-find-new-balance-on-divisive-issues-or-fail/
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    Sep 19, 2013 3:45 PM GMT
    metta8 saidPope warns Catholic Church must find new balance on divisive issues or fail


    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/09/pope-warns-catholic-church-must-find-new-balance-on-divisive-issues-or-fail/


    Here's to hoping it fails.
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    Sep 19, 2013 8:36 PM GMT
    Import said
    metta8 saidPope warns Catholic Church must find new balance on divisive issues or fail


    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/09/pope-warns-catholic-church-must-find-new-balance-on-divisive-issues-or-fail/


    Here's to hoping it fails.


    WTF? This is an extraordinary break with 2000 years of dogmatic intolerance by an extraordinary new pope. Waving your fairy wand and hoping the world will change overnight just won't work, you cynic.
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    Sep 19, 2013 9:12 PM GMT
    Import said
    metta8 saidPope warns Catholic Church must find new balance on divisive issues or fail


    http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/09/pope-warns-catholic-church-must-find-new-balance-on-divisive-issues-or-fail/


    Here's to hoping it fails.


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    Sep 19, 2013 9:18 PM GMT
    Follow the money. Attacking gays no longer brings in the cash. If fortunes had gone the other way for gays, you can be sure the Catholic church would be the first in line to support torture and genocide, as they have for the past 1500+ years.

    When the next popular Hitler style madman arises with "answers" to problems...the Catholic church will be right there with him.

    Just like the last time.



  • Sportsfan1

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    Sep 19, 2013 9:19 PM GMT
    This is a monumental shift. I could not agree more with this good and holy man. I especially liked what he had to say when asked what God thinks of a gay person. He responded beautifully and so lovingly. I may return to going to Mass after reading this wonderful post. God Bless him and keep him safe. God Bless you all!
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    Sep 19, 2013 9:25 PM GMT
    Sportsfan1 saidThis is a monumental shift. I could not agree more with this good and holy man. I especially liked what he had to say when asked what God thinks of a gay person. He responded beautifully and so lovingly. I may return to going to Mass after reading this wonderful post. God Bless him and keep him safe. God Bless you all!


    The above proves my theory. Its all about money.

    This poster will return to the Catholic church and eventually tithe, just like any obedient Catholic....unless he stops to consider how much money the Catholic church has raked in, absolving people of guilt...guilt originally inflicted upon them by the very same church. Even more...with so many gays being childless, the Catholic church will invent new ways to get into their Wills. How could they have missed such an opportunity for so long?

    Just because evil smiles at you and says nice things, doesn't mean its no longer evil.
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    Sep 19, 2013 9:37 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]Sportsfan1 said[/cite]This is a monumental shift. I could not agree more with this good and holy man. I especially liked what he had to say when asked what God thinks of a gay person. He responded beautifully and so lovingly. I may return to going to Mass after reading this wonderful post. God Bless him and keep him safe. God Bless you all![/quote

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    Sep 19, 2013 9:54 PM GMT
    This is the gayest pope yet.
  • TheBizMan

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    Sep 19, 2013 10:05 PM GMT
    smartmoney saidThis is the gayest pope yet.
    The Pope wants his pooper poked.
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    Sep 19, 2013 10:20 PM GMT
    From the article: uppity pope disguised as benevolent Francis said. “You have to heal his wounds. Then we can talk about everything else.”
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    ...The key, he said, is for the church to welcome, not exclude and show mercy, not condemnation.

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    We are gay and as fully human being as you. We are not wounded by our being gay. The wounds that scar us are the ones you inflicted, so you haven't the right to help heal without our bestowing that honor. We hold the scepter of mercy; not you.

    The mercy of the church is as worthless as its condemnation.
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    Sep 20, 2013 1:30 AM GMT
    Just a heads up.The media keeps posting these blurbs from Pope Francis.I mean read his entire statement before jumping to crazy conclusions.He is not my cup of tea at all but lets read what he really says and not what the New York Times decides to print.Nothing is changing except for the tone.He is just another Paul VI reborn.icon_smile.gif Ryan
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    Sep 20, 2013 2:05 AM GMT
    WickedRyan saidJust a heads up.The media keeps posting these blurbs from Pope Francis.I mean read his entire statement before jumping to crazy conclusions.He is not my cup of tea at all but lets read what he really says and not what the New York Times decides to print.Nothing is changing except for the tone.He is just another Paul VI reborn.icon_smile.gif Ryan



    But which is more important:

    What the Pope says?
    or
    How the broader media translates his message?

    Unless the Pope denounces this liberal interpretation,
    it becomes what the of Catholic believers hear from their spiritual leader.

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    Sep 20, 2013 2:21 AM GMT
    If they don't get it together I am going to STOP dating priests...
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    Sep 20, 2013 2:31 AM GMT
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    Cash saidIf they don't get it together I am going to STOP dating priests...


    But you'll still have sex with them secretly, correct?


    It has to be secret???

  • heyom

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    Sep 20, 2013 2:50 AM GMT
    Sportsfan1 saidThis is a monumental shift. I could not agree more with this good and holy man. I especially liked what he had to say when asked what God thinks of a gay person. He responded beautifully and so lovingly. I may return to going to Mass after reading this wonderful post. God Bless him and keep him safe. God Bless you all!


    First off, I agree with that positive sentiment. Second, i agree with the pope and in fact, I think the catholic church should fall. Such imperialist systems of power and religious hegemony are no good, no matter what the religion. Diversity is better, as it was before the church's unification and investment of total power in the Vatican.
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    Sep 20, 2013 3:21 AM GMT
    Clergy with their holier than thou attitude.

    I say My prayers AND shave My Balls and STILL they want snacks afterward.


    The work NEVER ends!!!!!!
  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Sep 20, 2013 3:43 AM GMT
    I smell a scandal brewing. When Benedict resigned there was talk that a major gay lobby of priest inside of the vatican would soon be exposed.

    I think the new Pope knows it will all come to light and he is working hard to soften the news by lowering the anti-gay rhetoric.

    He was vehemently against gay marriage as a cardinal.
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    Sep 20, 2013 6:09 PM GMT
    LuckyGuyKC saidI smell a scandal brewing. When Benedict resigned there was talk that a major gay lobby of priest inside of the vatican would soon be exposed.

    I think the new Pope knows it will all come to light and he is working hard to soften the news by lowering the anti-gay rhetoric.

    He was vehemently against gay marriage as a cardinal.


    Hmmmm.....I think you are on to something. As Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio he wrote this in 2010:

    In the coming weeks, the Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can seriously harm the family…At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of God's law engraved in our hearts.
    Let's not be naive: This is not a simple political fight; it is a destructive proposal to God's plan. This is not a mere legislative proposal (that's just it's form), but a move by the father of lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God… Let's look to St. Joseph, Mary, and the Child to ask fervently that they defend the Argentine family in this moment... May they support, defend, and accompany us in this war of God.


    Pretty strong words from a mere 3 years ago. I dont buy the 'enlightenment' thing.
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    Sep 20, 2013 6:15 PM GMT
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    Sportsfan1 saidThis is a monumental shift. I could not agree more with this good and holy man. I especially liked what he had to say when asked what God thinks of a gay person. He responded beautifully and so lovingly. I may return to going to Mass after reading this wonderful post. God Bless him and keep him safe. God Bless you all!


    The above proves my theory. Its all about money.

    This poster will return to the Catholic church and eventually tithe, just like any obedient Catholic....unless he stops to consider how much money the Catholic church has raked in, absolving people of guilt...guilt originally inflicted upon them by the very same church. Even more...with so many gays being childless, the Catholic church will invent new ways to get into their Wills. How could they have missed such an opportunity for so long?

    Just because evil smiles at you and says nice things, doesn't mean its no longer evil.
    Just sounds like you're replacing one bigotry with another.

    Have been around religious and secular people all my life and can't really tell that Catholics or protestants or Buddhists or atheists are better or worse than one another or the next guy.

    btw, 61% of US Catholics support gay marriage, much higher than the national average and second only to Jews.
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    Sep 20, 2013 6:16 PM GMT
    LuckyGuyKC saidI smell a scandal brewing. When Benedict resigned there was talk that a major gay lobby of priest inside of the vatican would soon be exposed.

    I think the new Pope knows it will all come to light and he is working hard to soften the news by lowering the anti-gay rhetoric.

    He was vehemently against gay marriage as a cardinal.




    Very astute! I think so too.

    I sometimes think how many people would not have been murdered if Christianity had not been invented... And I mean what I say by invented... Surely no other religion or organisation has been responsible for more deaths in the history of the world than the Roman Catholic Church?
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    Sep 20, 2013 6:38 PM GMT
    "Inventing a religion" is a proven moneymaker.
    Just ask L.Ron Hubbard.
  • LJay

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    Sep 20, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    Countering you cynics above, as well as for those who prefer to be informed rather than simply prejudiced, there is a good summary of the points of the Pope's interview on the Slate Magazine site today. One may or may not agree with Francis, but it is really unfair to dismiss what he is saying with a few quips and slogans. There is always something to learn.
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    Sep 20, 2013 7:36 PM GMT
    SteveFla9 said"Inventing a religion" is a proven moneymaker.
    Just ask L.Ron Hubbard.


    The tried and true ones are always remunerative...ask Jim and Tammy (my favorites) or the dozens of other televangelists.....icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Sep 20, 2013 10:02 PM GMT
    WickedRyan saidJust a heads up.The media keeps posting these blurbs from Pope Francis.I mean read his entire statement before jumping to crazy conclusions.He is not my cup of tea at all but lets read what he really says and not what the New York Times decides to print.Nothing is changing except for the tone.He is just another Paul VI reborn.icon_smile.gif Ryan


    You're still not suppose to be acting on those homosexual desires right?