When to stop my Bulk phase?

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    Sep 20, 2013 12:22 AM GMT
    Hey guys,

    So I feel like I've been bulking my whole life, or at least my whole athletic/gym life which has been the past 2 years. I started off at 125-130 and am now at 170. I was wondering, at my height (5'11") how far do you guys think I should bulk before cutting and getting lean? I finally am seeing a bigger chest and other muscles, although I feel like if I cut I'm just going to shrink so much. Even if I do get defined, I don't know if I have enough muscle to still look 'muscular' without my current fat gains.

    Do you think 180 is a good limit and then cut down to like 170 lean? More?Less?

    I'd appreciate answers from anyone who has been in a similar situation or has good knowledge on the subject.

    Thanks!
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    Sep 20, 2013 11:35 AM GMT
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  • Chainers

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    Sep 20, 2013 12:01 PM GMT
    Whenever you feel like it, or when people start calling you fat. Whichever happens first.
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    Sep 20, 2013 1:35 PM GMT
    You're looking pretty spiffy right now. Just don't over-do it and don't look like those creeps at the gym who have bulked up in places that make them look like a creature from another world.
  • mybud

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    Sep 20, 2013 1:39 PM GMT
    Bro...I looked at your pictures and you continue to have mostly lean mass. If I were you, I 'd shoot for 190...look in the mirror and decide if cutting a little fat was warranted...You look great regardless.....BUD
  • Montague

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    Sep 20, 2013 2:02 PM GMT
    definitely go to 200
  • LJay

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    Sep 20, 2013 3:08 PM GMT
    Sorry, but I can't get over that, with my morning eyes, I read this topic as "Should I stop buying bulk cheese?"

    Yes, yes you should.

    As for buling, it seems to me that pushing your weight and mass around can, in may ways, lead to unhealthy and unwanted bodies in the future. You will not always be young and be able to do this with relative ease.
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    Sep 20, 2013 4:10 PM GMT
    I'm 5'11" and I found 195 was the right weight for me to bulk to. For you it might be 170, everyone's different. Just start cutting when you're happy with your size in every area. Good luck.
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    Sep 20, 2013 7:07 PM GMT
    Montague saiddefinitely go to 200


    Well I think that's a bit much heh, but I think maybe I will go to around 190 then cut down to 180?

    I agree with 'mybud', somehow I continue to stay somewhat lean as I bulk, maybe because I'm aiming for slow, controlled gains, about 3 lbs a month at most.

    Thanks to everyone for the suggestions so far!
  • mmnt

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    Sep 21, 2013 1:38 AM GMT
    You look great, I wish I could get to where you are at sooner ;-).
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    Sep 21, 2013 2:19 AM GMT
    I don't know how to think in US customary units. The metric system makes it very simple to describe the minimum weight to achieve mesomorphic proportions for a given height:

    Height: 1.65m [5'5"] Minimum athletic weight: 65kg (143lbs)
    Height: 1.70m [5'7"] Minimum athletic weight: 70kg (154lbs)
    Height: 1.80m [6'] Minimum athletic weight: 80kg (176lbs)

    If your weight is less than your height (in the metric system), you may even be athletic, but you're rather thin. To have a minimum degree of buff with plenty of definition (think Men's Health cover, they're usually at this point), your weight should be equal or above your height... in the metric system that is! Assuming your bf will always be low...

    To maintain these mesomorphic proportions, the rules change for guys above 1.80m. For those above 1.80m, your minimum athletic weight should be at least your height + 1kg for every centimeter above 1.80m.

    For example:

    Height: 1.85m (6'1")
    Minimum athletic weight: 85 + 5 = 90kg (198lbs)

    Height: 1.88m (6'2")
    Minimum athletic weight: 88 + 8 = 96kg (212lbs)

    Height: 1.91m (6'3")
    Minimum athletic weight: 91 + 11 = 102kg (225lbs)
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    Sep 21, 2013 2:26 AM GMT
    TL;DR:

    OP, you can have any weight you want as long as your body fat is low. The minimum weight for you to look buff is 176lbs, assuming a low body fat. Any weight above that is OK as long as you keep your body fat low.
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    Sep 23, 2013 1:19 AM GMT
    bachian saidI don't know how to think in US customary units. The metric system makes it very simple to describe the minimum weight to achieve mesomorphic proportions for a given height:

    Height: 1.65m [5'5"] Minimum athletic weight: 65kg (143lbs)
    Height: 1.70m [5'7"] Minimum athletic weight: 70kg (154lbs)
    Height: 1.80m [6'] Minimum athletic weight: 80kg (176lbs)

    If your weight is less than your height (in the metric system), you may even be athletic, but you're rather thin. To have a minimum degree of buff with plenty of definition (think Men's Health cover, they're usually at this point), your weight should be equal or above your height... in the metric system that is! Assuming your bf will always be low...

    To maintain these mesomorphic proportions, the rules change for guys above 1.80m. For those above 1.80m, your minimum athletic weight should be at least your height + 1kg for every centimeter above 1.80m.

    For example:

    Height: 1.85m (6'1")
    Minimum athletic weight: 85 + 5 = 90kg (198lbs)

    Height: 1.88m (6'2")
    Minimum athletic weight: 88 + 8 = 96kg (212lbs)

    Height: 1.91m (6'3")
    Minimum athletic weight: 91 + 11 = 102kg (225lbs)


    Oh I really like this breakdown, thanks. seems pretty accurate to me. I think I'll go to 185 then cut down to about the 176 benchmark you mention above, play around with my weight from there icon_smile.gif

    Thanks a lot
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    Sep 23, 2013 2:19 AM GMT
    You and I are of comparable height and weight and my goal is 180. The challenge though is also sustainability. Gains are harder to keep up and require a different kind of workout regimen and eating plan. I finished a Paleo diet cycle which really is not conducive to gaining mass, so I scrapped it and started eating carbs again.

    In my personal opinion (We don`t know each other) but your pics look great man. Most of us never question why we want to change or what our goal is. Mine is to increase mass because when I was younger I always wanted to have more muscle. That being said, an additional 10lbs of muscle means eating for it as well...
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  • Joeyphx444

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    Sep 23, 2013 2:48 AM GMT
    When you starting getting FAT and you have no abs and your pants don't fit icon_razz.gif
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    Sep 23, 2013 2:50 AM GMT
    LR80 saidYou and I are of comparable height and weight and my goal is 180. The challenge though is also sustainability. Gains are harder to keep up and require a different kind of workout regimen and eating plan. I finished a Paleo diet cycle which really is not conducive to gaining mass, so I scrapped it and started eating carbs again.

    In my personal opinion (We don`t know each other) but your pics look great man. Most of us never question why we want to change or what our goal is. Mine is to increase mass because when I was younger I always wanted to have more muscle. That being said, an additional 10lbs of muscle means eating for it as well...
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    Thank you! And I think ultimately 180 is close to my goal, but a lean 180, so I'd have to bulk above that and then cut IMO. But I'm the same as you, was always really skinny and wanted to be bigger so I'm getting there! Kudos to us both ;)
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    Sep 23, 2013 2:51 AM GMT
    Joeyphx444 saidWhen you starting getting FAT and you have no abs and your pants don't fit icon_razz.gif


    Honestly my abs kind of don't change much or my waiste, it's weird, I've gone from 125 to 170 and the rest of my body has changed except those two things.
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    Sep 29, 2013 3:52 AM GMT
    Good for you! Look forward to seeing your progress. Ill keep my eye on your pics.
  • jo2hotbod

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    Sep 29, 2013 3:57 AM GMT
    Just use your eyes and think of your goals, change your goals if you're not happy with your current results. Meaning if you wanted to bulk but think you're starting to spill over then adjust and go to toning. As long as you apply the proper diet and training (weights and cardio) you won't go wrong
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    Oct 01, 2013 4:19 AM GMT
    Yeah after further consideration I've got a lot of bulking to do haha