Man arrested for public nudity at San Diego Pride event taking case to trial, launching educational campaign Will Walters launched 'Know Rights or No Rights'

  • metta

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    Sep 21, 2013 2:41 AM GMT
    Man arrested for public nudity at San Diego Pride event taking case to trial, launching educational campaign
    Will Walters launched 'Know Rights or No Rights'



    http://www.10news.com/news/man-arrested-for-public-nudity-at-pride-event-taking-case-to-trial-launching-educational-campaign-09192013


    'Know Rights or No Rights' Campaign Seeks to Educate Americans About Our Constitutional Rights




    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-senzee/know-rights-or-no-rights-campaign_b_3891500.html



    http://www.freewillusa.com/


    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Will-Walters/216692508481052


  • caminhos

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    Sep 21, 2013 6:36 AM GMT
    Honestly, what state of mind do you have to be in to participate in a public event naked?

    How does this behaviour help the gay movement?

  • stol

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    Sep 21, 2013 6:39 AM GMT
    caminhos said
    Honestly, what state of mind do you have to participate in a public event naked?

    How does this behaviour help the gay movement?


    +1 Gays can be their own worst enemies.

    Public nudity is illegal, so it makes sense an arrest was made.
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    Sep 21, 2013 6:39 AM GMT
    caminhos said
    Honestly, what state of mind do you have to participate in a public event naked?

    How does this behaviour help the gay movement?
    This^^ Especially in San Diego. icon_rolleyes.gificon_rolleyes.gif
  • Buddha

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    Sep 21, 2013 7:52 AM GMT
    OH EM GEE SO HOMOPHOBIC TO ARREST NAKED PEOPLE. STOP DA H8 PLZ.
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    Sep 21, 2013 9:44 AM GMT
    Go ahead, show up for a job interview naked. Metta will defend you.


    Go ahead, show up at your child's day care center naked. Metta will defend you.


    Go ahead, show up for jury duty naked. Metta will defend you.
  • hebrewman

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    Sep 21, 2013 9:44 AM GMT
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  • awm55

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    Sep 21, 2013 9:52 AM GMT
    I honestly thought that interview was a parody.
  • Fable

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    Sep 21, 2013 11:43 AM GMT
    but he wasn't naked tho.

    honestly look at all the slutty outfits that appear on striaght people at alloween (gays too trollololol)
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    Sep 21, 2013 11:50 AM GMT
    stol said
    caminhos said
    Honestly, what state of mind do you have to participate in a public event naked?

    How does this behaviour help the gay movement?


    +1 Gays can be their own worst enemies.

    Public nudity is illegal, so it makes sense an arrest was made.


    +1
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Sep 21, 2013 11:51 AM GMT
    stol said
    caminhos said
    Honestly, what state of mind do you have to participate in a public event naked?

    How does this behaviour help the gay movement?


    +1 Gays can be their own worst enemies.

    Public nudity is illegal, so it makes sense an arrest was made.


    It is in some places, it isn't in others: See the thread on the "Dallas Pride Erection Felony" debacle.

  • LuckyGuyKC

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    Sep 21, 2013 12:14 PM GMT
    fable saidbut he wasn't naked tho.

    honestly look at all the slutty outfits that appear on striaght people at alloween (gays too trollololol)


    Agree with both sides of the argument. 1) He certainly was not nude according to most people's standards. 2) I have a hard time reconciling how appearing as close to nude as possible helps anyone have pride.

    I would like to separate the need and desire to appear in these almost nude costumes in events other than Pride events like Folsom Street Fair.

  • tuffguyndc

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    Sep 21, 2013 1:27 PM GMT
    first of all he wasn't nude. secondly, this why people have a hard time taking us seriously. when you show up to gay pride with stuff like this on or half naked its hard for someone to take you serious people.
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    Sep 21, 2013 1:52 PM GMT
    Another attention whore who is just using the gay platform and the civil rights platform. That video with the dancing looked a Saturday night live skit.
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    Sep 21, 2013 1:52 PM GMT
    Congrats to him! Unless the jury is selected out of a pool of Mormon spinsters, he will be found "not naked." The Mormon spinster who arrested him will go into the annals of San Diego Weird with the Firemen That Sued For Emotional Distress Because They Were Made To Attend Gay Pride. The City of San Diego will have to pay legal fees for everybody with my property taxes (curse them). And of course when someone steals my bike, Police will tell me they can't investigate because they have more pressing matters to deal with. Like a man with a leather weirdness at a Gay Pride event.

    P.S.: I don't know what constitutional right this guy is talking about.
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    Sep 21, 2013 2:35 PM GMT
    It's obvious that some of the posters in this thread didn't bother to actually watch any of the videos. I did watch the first link, and the guy was clearly not naked. His outfit covered more pelvic area flesh than any thong bathing suit on a San Diego beach. If he'd actually been naked, I'd be in complete agreement with the arrest, but in fact, they charged a clothed man with public nudity, and I hope he wins.
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    Sep 21, 2013 2:59 PM GMT


    San Diego Over The Line Event:

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    Is this how Walters was dressed?

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    Sep 21, 2013 3:02 PM GMT


    BUT.....was he wearing anything under the front and back drapery? Unlike the young lady, if he didn't then his privates were actually exposed to others if he bent over or was standing on something above crowds, like a float. So yes, the law does have some traction here.
  • metta

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    Sep 21, 2013 3:43 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    BUT.....was he wearing anything under the front and back drapery? Unlike the young lady, if he didn't then his privates were actually exposed to others if he bent over or was standing on something above crowds, like a float. So yes, the law does have some traction here.


    According to the 2nd video, he was wearing underwear underneath it (55 seconds into the video). He bought the basic costume and had someone add to the back of it. There was no back originally but he had that added. And he said that he did wear something underneath that.

    I have a friend from Europe that have homes in both Europe and here and he wears less than that when he goes to the beach. His home here is right on the Ocean and he swims in the water every day when he is over here. I would not wear something that small but he is fine with it. It is not illegal for him to wear that and he has done it for many years.
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    Sep 21, 2013 3:47 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    meninlove said

    BUT.....was he wearing anything under the front and back drapery? Unlike the young lady, if he didn't then his privates were actually exposed to others if he bent over or was standing on something above crowds, like a float. So yes, the law does have some traction here.


    According to the 2nd video, he was wearing something underneath it. He bought the basic costume and had someone add to the back of it. There was no back originally but he had that added. And he said that he did wear something underneath that.


    If so, then he was dressed, more than the young lady who was not arrested or even spoken to for her choice of nakey-ness.
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    Sep 21, 2013 3:53 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    BUT.....was he wearing anything under the front and back drapery? Unlike the young lady, if he didn't then his privates were actually exposed to others if he bent over or was standing on something above crowds, like a float. So yes, the law does have some traction here.

    According to his interview (2nd video) he was wearing some sort of underwear beneath the outfit.

    I think again, this is going back to the bigger question of whether gay pride parades should start becoming more like any other public function instead of a display of 'independence', in the old 'I'm queer and I'm here, get use to it' days. It would seem from many of the responses from the gays here that the 'majority'( that being the str8 society)recognizes that the old days of the gay community being 'proud' of their uniqueness is going by the way in favor of becoming more like the str8 community. If that happens then you can basically figure that anything related to nudity will soon be removed from any gay event and that we will all be covering up and subscribing to the same shamefulness in nudity that society now deems as the norm.

    This lawsuit however is going to be based up whether this guy broke the law by being nude. I agree with some, if he was 'nude', then speedos and bikinis need to be outlawed on the beaches of San Diego.

    Some of you gays need to review the history of how this community arrived at where we are today and whether 'blending' in for the sake of protecting our children from seeing our wee-wees is really where we want to be. That's how we (gay community) ended up being a second class citizen to begin with, by having 'their' way shoved down our throats. Is seeing the same anatomical parts on someone else really offensive? I'm thinking we should all be wearing turtle neck shirts too so our nipples are on display for all those puritan eyes to focus on.
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    Sep 21, 2013 3:58 PM GMT
    I've seen guys dress like that to hit the gym. "Public Nudity" it wasn't.
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    Sep 21, 2013 4:01 PM GMT
    I would agree with what you guys are saying. Any movement or breezes would have exposed him if there was no coverage under the "drapes". If this was the case I would also consider it both inappropriate and probably illegal.

    However he didn't sound like an unintelligent person. if there was no coverage under the flaps of the garment I would have a hard time believing he would initiate a lawsuit for an incident that occurred in 2011 and has since been attached to what seems to be a well organized cause to educate people on their rights.

    While it would not be the outfit of choice for me for a gay pride event, I don't think it merits an arrest on it's own. I guess we will see if there is more to the story as it all unfolds.

    Edit:

    I see Metta8 posted additional information about the garment before I finished my comment. Looks like we need to hear more from the officers involved to determine if there was anything else we were not told in the story.

    meninlove said

    BUT.....was he wearing anything under the front and back drapery? Unlike the young lady, if he didn't then his privates were actually exposed to others if he bent over or was standing on something above crowds, like a float. So yes, the law does have some traction here.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Sep 21, 2013 4:03 PM GMT
    LuckyGuyKC said
    fable saidbut he wasn't naked tho.

    honestly look at all the slutty outfits that appear on striaght people at alloween (gays too trollololol)


    Agree with both sides of the argument. 1) He certainly was not nude according to most people's standards. 2) I have a hard time reconciling how appearing as close to nude as possible helps anyone have pride.

    I would like to separate the need and desire to appear in these almost nude costumes in events other than Pride events like Folsom Street Fair.



    Before "The Fall": "Now, both of them were naked, the man and his wife, but they felt no shame before each other" (Genesis 2:25).

    After "The Fall": "Then the eyes of both of them were opened and they realized that they were naked. So they sewed fig-leaves together to make themselves loin-cloths."

    There must be some irony, surely, that the "first act of PRIDE" led us to be so ashamed, that we had to cover ourselves.

    "2) I have a hard time reconciling how appearing as close to nude as possible helps anyone have pride."

    Really? Flying in the face of Genesis, I would have thought that this is the perfect way to "regain" pride?
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    Sep 21, 2013 4:11 PM GMT
    I have mixed feelings on this:

    #1 I'm sick of people's Victorian like reaction to nudity. There should be nothing wrong with someone attending something completely nude. Afraid of your children's reaction? Then stop teaching your child that the human body is something to be ashamed of.

    #2 People like this guy are the reason I don't attend Pride events. It's all about how much sexual attention they can get.