Samsung spies on iPhone launch lines to pierce Apple mystique

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    Sep 21, 2013 4:10 AM GMT
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    As Apple fans lined up to get the new generation of iPhone, the Cupertino company's chief rival sent a video and photography crew to document the lines at Apple's flagship Fifth Avenue store in Manhattan. Their goal according to CNET: figuring out what had those customers so excited that they would stand in line for hours ? even days ? to be the first to get their hands on a new phone.

    "Other companies release new phones, but there's not as much passion and heat," one Samsung operative said. "It's only Apple. Why? We're curious."

    Reportedly, the crew only documented the scene in front of the Fifth Avenue store, occasionally asking line-sitters questions: "Is the line shorter or longer this year than last?" and "Is the crowd more excited or less excited than previous years?" The crew seemed most interested in whether Apple's "cool factor" was waning and the degree of loyalty among Apple fans.

    CNET notes that the video group was not from Samsung's electronics arm; it was instead from the conglomerate's broadcasting segment, Samsung Broadcasting Center/Cheil Worldwide. That segment occasionally works with Samsung Electronics on projects, and both are divisions of the parent company Samsung Group, but there is so far no indication that the video documenting was done at the request of Samsung Electronics.

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    Sep 22, 2013 5:42 PM GMT
    venue35 saidSamsung has sold 20 million galaxy s4's since may so I doubt they give a shit. I hate their tablets however the iPad rules. The iphone is kind of lame with that small screen and no sd card slot anywhere. But they were there first everyone else copied the iphone but damn the galaxy s4 is still awesome no matter what anyone thinks.


    Samsung ships a lot of product but nobody rushes to get them. Apple sells their entire stock almost immediately. Samsung's sales this year were 30% lower that their own estimates and a lot of their GS4s were stuck at retailers shelves. If Samsung didnt give a shit like you say they wouldn't be poring billions of dollars into Apple bashing commercials...icon_rolleyes.gif...or Apple spying...no company in the world has copied Apple more than Samsung has.

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    Sep 23, 2013 2:06 AM GMT
    Why would they need to spy? They should know that Apple's secret is to build a lot of hype around their products through an aggressive marketing campaign and then release a product with 1-2 new features more than the previous product. They predictably release them at specific times of the year which is why right before they do Samsung starts advertising their phones with more interesting features than the iPhone has. Then they rinse and repeat. Anyone who's not an Apple shill knows that Samsung has been a thorn in Apple's side for a while now which is why Apple decided to to come out with lower cost phone.
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    Dawnbreaker saidWhy would they need to spy? They should know that Apple's secret is to build a lot of hype around their products through an aggressive marketing campaign and then release a product with 1-2 new features more than the previous product. They predictably release them at specific times of the year which is why right before they do Samsung starts advertising their phones with more interesting features than the iPhone has. Then they rinse and repeat. Anyone who's not an Apple shill knows that Samsung has been a thorn in Apple's side for a while now which is why Apple decided to to come out with lower cost phone.


    Aggressive? I still havent seen an "agressive" iOS commercial. I have seen tons of agressive anti apple commercial from Samsung but that doesnt seem to be giving them any lines. I mean Samsung has ad placement everywhere you look from The Voice to the Olympics. What else do you think is missing? Samsung's advertising budget is way higher than Apple', if it is all hype rather than quality and good customer service then why cant they get any lines for the launch of their flagships. Please explain icon_rolleyes.gif

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    FYI: Apple has not released any lower cost phone. The iPhone 5C is simply an iPhone 5 with a bit of colour, sold at the exact same price Apple sells previous generation iPhones with the launch of every new iPhone. Get your shit straight hater. Get some sex too, it helps. Jerking off counts.
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    Dawnbreaker saidWhy would they need to spy? They should know that Apple's secret is to build a lot of hype around their products through an aggressive marketing campaign and then release a product with 1-2 new features more than the previous product. They predictably release them at specific times of the year which is why right before they do Samsung starts advertising their phones with more interesting features than the iPhone has. Then they rinse and repeat. Anyone who's not an Apple shill knows that Samsung has been a thorn in Apple's side for a while now which is why Apple decided to to come out with lower cost phone.


    Aggressive? I still havent seen an "agressive" iOS commercial. I have seen tons of agressive anti apple commercial from Samsung but that doesnt seem to be giving them any lines. I mean Samsung has ad placement everywhere you look from The Voice to the Olympics. What else do you think is missing? Samsung's advertising budget is way higher than Apple', if it is all hype rather than quality and good customer service then why cant they get any lines for the launch of their flagships. Please explain icon_rolleyes.gif

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    FYI: Apple has not released any lower cost phone. The iPhone 5C is simply an iPhone 5 with a bit of colour, sold at the exact same price Apple sells previous generation iPhones with the launch of every new iPhone. Get your shit straight hater. Get some sex too, it helps. Jerking off counts.

    By aggressive I meant sustained near the time of launch to build hype. No their hype is around the 2 things they added to their latest phone and sell at a high price. I guess the whole low cost phone was just a rumor then. I'm sorry but I've just had bad experiences with Apple products and don't find them to be the wonderful things you make them out to be. I'm not gonna just climb in bed with just anyone, that's not me. Worry about your own sex life k? And why are you so obsessed with protecting Apple? icon_razz.gif
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    Sep 23, 2013 4:47 AM GMT
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    Dawnbreaker saidWhy would they need to spy? They should know that Apple's secret is to build a lot of hype around their products through an aggressive marketing campaign and then release a product with 1-2 new features more than the previous product. They predictably release them at specific times of the year which is why right before they do Samsung starts advertising their phones with more interesting features than the iPhone has. Then they rinse and repeat. Anyone who's not an Apple shill knows that Samsung has been a thorn in Apple's side for a while now which is why Apple decided to to come out with lower cost phone.


    Aggressive? I still havent seen an "agressive" iOS commercial. I have seen tons of agressive anti apple commercial from Samsung but that doesnt seem to be giving them any lines. I mean Samsung has ad placement everywhere you look from The Voice to the Olympics. What else do you think is missing? Samsung's advertising budget is way higher than Apple', if it is all hype rather than quality and good customer service then why cant they get any lines for the launch of their flagships. Please explain icon_rolleyes.gif

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    FYI: Apple has not released any lower cost phone. The iPhone 5C is simply an iPhone 5 with a bit of colour, sold at the exact same price Apple sells previous generation iPhones with the launch of every new iPhone. Get your shit straight hater. Get some sex too, it helps. Jerking off counts.

    By aggressive I meant sustained near the time of launch to build hype. No their hype is around the 2 things they added to their latest phone and sell at a high price. I guess the whole low cost phone was just a rumor then. I'm sorry but I've just had bad experiences with Apple products and don't find them to be the wonderful things you make them out to be. I'm not gonna just climb in bed with just anyone, that's not me. Worry about your own sex life k? And why are you so obsessed with protecting Apple? icon_razz.gif


    - 64 Bit Processor with new ARM architecture that doubles performance and reduces battery consumption(first time in any smartphone). Currently benchmarked the most powerful processor on any smartphone today.
    - M7 Coprocessor dedicated to collecting gyroscope and compass data for motion accuracy and third party wearable technology.(first time in any smartphone)
    - Dual flash with dual tone for better results under low light conditions(first time in any smartphone).
    - Built in fingerprint technology to unlock and purchase media on iTunes
    - 120fps for slow mo trigger on the camera along with other capturing techniques enabled by the new processor.
    - Exact same price that every iPhone has ever been. Also it is the exact same price that almost all flagships from all manufacturers retail at.

    I dont think any flagship from any manufacturer has included this amount of technology compared to their previous generation. Youre just hating again. I have to worry about your sex life because you dont make a lot of sense. Its ok to like something else, nobody is asking you to love Apple but at least say shit that makes sense like I dont know:

    "OMG Apple's walled garden is a fucking joke"
    "Fucking Apple still cant figure out bluetooth!"
    "I love widgets hence : I hate iOS!!!!!!"
    "iPhone's screen are WAAAAAY TOO SMALL! I want a phone built for a man!"

    It aint that hard to be a hater that makes sense. You just make it too easy for me to troll you back or to "protect Apple". I guess im just better at "protecting Apple" than you are at "hating Apple". Apple wins?
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    Sep 23, 2013 5:16 AM GMT
    charlitos said
    Dawnbreaker said
    charlitos said
    Dawnbreaker saidWhy would they need to spy? They should know that Apple's secret is to build a lot of hype around their products through an aggressive marketing campaign and then release a product with 1-2 new features more than the previous product. They predictably release them at specific times of the year which is why right before they do Samsung starts advertising their phones with more interesting features than the iPhone has. Then they rinse and repeat. Anyone who's not an Apple shill knows that Samsung has been a thorn in Apple's side for a while now which is why Apple decided to to come out with lower cost phone.


    Aggressive? I still havent seen an "agressive" iOS commercial. I have seen tons of agressive anti apple commercial from Samsung but that doesnt seem to be giving them any lines. I mean Samsung has ad placement everywhere you look from The Voice to the Olympics. What else do you think is missing? Samsung's advertising budget is way higher than Apple', if it is all hype rather than quality and good customer service then why cant they get any lines for the launch of their flagships. Please explain icon_rolleyes.gif

    samsung-advertising-spend-2012.jpeg?w=94

    FYI: Apple has not released any lower cost phone. The iPhone 5C is simply an iPhone 5 with a bit of colour, sold at the exact same price Apple sells previous generation iPhones with the launch of every new iPhone. Get your shit straight hater. Get some sex too, it helps. Jerking off counts.

    By aggressive I meant sustained near the time of launch to build hype. No their hype is around the 2 things they added to their latest phone and sell at a high price. I guess the whole low cost phone was just a rumor then. I'm sorry but I've just had bad experiences with Apple products and don't find them to be the wonderful things you make them out to be. I'm not gonna just climb in bed with just anyone, that's not me. Worry about your own sex life k? And why are you so obsessed with protecting Apple? icon_razz.gif


    - 64 Bit Processor with new ARM architecture that doubles performance and reduces battery consumption(first time in any smartphone). Currently benchmarked the most powerful processor on any smartphone today.
    - M7 Coprocessor dedicated to collecting gyroscope and compass data for motion accuracy and third party wearable technology.(first time in any smartphone)
    - Dual flash with dual tone for better results under low light conditions(first time in any smartphone).
    - Built in fingerprint technology to unlock and purchase media on iTunes
    - 120fps for slow mo trigger on the camera along with other capturing techniques enabled by the new processor.
    - Exact same price that every iPhone has ever been. Also it is the exact same price that almost all flagships from all manufacturers retail at.

    I dont think any flagship from any manufacturer has included this amount of technology compared to their previous generation. Youre just hating again. I have to worry about your sex life because you dont make a lot of sense. Its ok to like something else, nobody is asking you to love Apple but at least say shit that makes sense like I dont know:

    "OMG Apple's walled garden is a fucking joke"
    "Fucking Apple still cant figure out bluetooth!"
    "I love widgets hence : I hate iOS!!!!!!"
    "iPhone's screen are WAAAAAY TOO SMALL! I want a phone built for a man!"

    It aint that hard to be a hater that makes sense. You just make it too easy for me to troll you back or to "protect Apple". I guess im just better at "protecting Apple" than you are at "hating Apple". Apple wins?

    I'd do some research but I don't want to. I'm bored now. Bye icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 23, 2013 12:23 PM GMT
    woodsmen saidApple is elegant in its technologies and marketing campaigns. Others are just so trashy!


    That people come up with tripe like this is proof that Apple successfully sells/markets a lifestyle. Samsung markets a phone.

    Similar to Ralph Lauren marketing a lifestyle vs just a shirt.

    Ultimately, via advertising and a desire for conformity/superiority in their peer groups, many privilege expenditures on the next iPhone.

    I'll take my travel any day.
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    I'd do some research but I don't want to. I'm bored now. Bye icon_smile.gif


    icon_cry.gif what am I gonna do for the rest of the day?
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    Sep 30, 2013 3:28 PM GMT
    venue35 saidI'm not saying samsung is better than apple but to say that no body rushes out to buy a galaxy phone at launch is total bullshit. Get your facts straight.
    There were 10 million pre orders for the galaxy s4 last May. Somebody was in a rush to buy one...


    There were no lines to buy Galaxy devices. During the first quarter sales were actually 30% lower than Samsung's own estimates for the GS4 with lots of devices stuck in shelves with nobody willing to buy them. Apple sold in 3 days what Samsung sold in 1 month so as you can expect the demand levels during launch date are incredibly high for the iPhone which is the reason why Apple Stores get lines of people all over the world. Im not saying Samsung does not sell GS4s by the bulk because they do and they are today the most succesful Android OEM by far, they have almost trippled Apple's marketing budget this year so they are doing ok. Now do people line up for a GS4 for hours and even days before release? No, nobody does so, there is never a shortage of GS4s since they dont sell as quick as the iPhone does. An iPhone can be sold for twice the price on e-Bay during its launch week, a GS4 can only be sold for $100-$200 less brand new during its launch week.
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    Sep 30, 2013 6:47 PM GMT
    According to Interbrand, Apple and Google are the top 2 most valuable brands. Google is rising faster than Apple. With Jobs gone I expect to see Apple's spot in the list to drop as time goes on.

    http://www.interbrand.com/en/best-global-brands/2013/Best-Global-Brands-2013-Brand-View.aspx
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    Lumpyoatmeal saidAccording to Interbrand, Apple and Google are the top 2 most valuable brands. Google is rising faster than Apple. With Jobs gone I expect to see Apple's spot in the list to drop as time goes on.

    http://www.interbrand.com/en/best-global-brands/2013/Best-Global-Brands-2013-Brand-View.aspx



    What im surprised about is that Coca Cola was the most valuable brand for 13 years. Friggin poison makers.
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    Oct 01, 2013 10:42 PM GMT
    venue35 saidSamsung has sold 20 million galaxy s4's since may so I doubt they give a shit. I hate their tablets however the iPad rules. The iphone is kind of lame with that small screen and no sd card slot anywhere. But they were there first everyone else copied the iphone but damn the galaxy s4 is still awesome no matter what anyone thinks.


    Somewhat true on the tablet part, but not anymore! Samsung 12.2 Tab is coming out soon to rival Sony glass like Xperia z tablet icon_cool.gif

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    And I certainly do think the 12.2 inch is the ideal size for a tablet compared to the 10inch Surface Pro was like small!. A 12 inch screen would be just perfect and ideal. I think that's where all laptops will fade and die slowly.
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    Oct 01, 2013 10:48 PM GMT
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    Even the Samsung Store cant keep away from plagiarism
    Screen-Shot-2011-09-28-at-11.31.42-PM.pn


    honey chill! that was just decor and what you call wallpaper...*anyway I would have fired whomever was for that showcase booth.
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    Oct 01, 2013 11:19 PM GMT
    As much I've learn and know Apple since the Iphone4 era, I certainly do respect them as how thorough and neat they keep things. Just the same as me I love to play fairness and as much I love detailing, Apple has it! which I adore them of what they are.

    Similar to how was I brought up by a Perfectionist!, I do understand Apple from where it is coming from a perspective quality is and has made them assured as a brand. That said me being put as a consumer there are few things I'm not quite happy example to as one prominent thing that is the Iphone5 screen size.

    They could have gone by now with a 5 inch.

    As much as branding and quality goes Apple owns it! they have created a magnet by its name, but not much of sanity there when weighs to the competition, everyone has grown and inch bigger.

    Honestly to break down...

    A. Apple deliberately makes and stays with the 4 inch.

    B. Somewhere inside there Apple is struggling with.

    As to the Topic there are some things Samsung is not quite clever...and I do call them stupid at times. Obviously Apple has its name to Mercedes.
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    Oct 01, 2013 11:31 PM GMT
    venue35 saidSamsung have sold over 30 million s4s and are looking to sell at least 90 million until it's over and done with. Yes people do actually wait in line for a samsung phone. There were lines 4 days ago in Germany for the note 3.



    Honestly I foresee The Note 3 would be the best selling phone in the world! icon_cool.gif

    Everyone now is quite comfortable with big screens considering the Galaxy Mega was deliberately release first to test the market.

    And the leather idea at the back casing was a brilliant Idea from them, knowing they cant entirely have time to redesign a new metal housing for it, of which Samsung has realize the feel and weight does count on holding it.
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    Oct 03, 2013 12:11 AM GMT
    Har19 said
    Everyone now is quite comfortable with big screens considering the Galaxy Mega was deliberately release first to test the market.


    I don't think I'd want my next phone to be any bigger than the S4. I kept my old S2 in an Otterbox, which is pretty bulky. For the S4, I got a Spigen Neo Hybrid case, which has a very low profile, but it doesn't offer as robust protection as the Otterbox. With the S2 and S4 in their respective cases, the S4 is the same width as the S2 and only a quarter inch taller. If phones get much wider, they'll be a tough fit for some pockets.
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    Oct 03, 2013 12:26 AM GMT
    I think what those Samsung executives should actually be doing is an in depth pshychological analysis on the iphone consumers to see exactly what apple is doing to them:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdIWKytq_q4


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    Oct 03, 2013 2:50 AM GMT
    Dont know if this is just an Aussie thing but heaps of kids hate Apple now, its just not cool. As all of them get their parents hand me downs when they upgrade to a newer model, much the same way certain cars back in the 80's and 90's weren't cool for pretty much the same reason. "Our daggy parents have them"
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    Oct 03, 2013 3:01 AM GMT
    boorangOz saidDont know if this is just an Aussie thing but heaps of kids hate Apple now, its just not cool. As all of them get their parents hand me downs when they upgrade to a newer model, much the same way certain cars back in the 80's and 90's weren't cool for pretty much the same reason. "Our daggy parents have them"



    its just an Aussie thing. iPhones are more popular with kids here in Toronto given the fact that they are quite expensive to get compared to Android phones. Back in the day(2 years ago) blackberry was still pretty popular in highschool thanks to BBM.
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    Oct 03, 2013 4:40 AM GMT
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    venue35 saidSamsung has sold 20 million galaxy s4's since may so I doubt they give a shit. I hate their tablets however the iPad rules. The iphone is kind of lame with that small screen and no sd card slot anywhere. But they were there first everyone else copied the iphone but damn the galaxy s4 is still awesome no matter what anyone thinks.


    Samsung ships a lot of product but nobody rushes to get them. Apple sells their entire stock almost immediately. Samsung's sales this year were 30% lower that their own estimates and a lot of their GS4s were stuck at retailers shelves. If Samsung didnt give a shit like you say they wouldn't be poring billions of dollars into Apple bashing commercials...icon_rolleyes.gif...or Apple spying...no company in the world has copied Apple more than Samsung has.



    The A6/ and A7 processor chips are made by Samsung. The Retina display is made by LG and Samsung.

    You cant rip the processor out. Like it or not , the iphone is made with Samsung components.

    The A8 chip will also be made by Samsung.

    So Samsung has it both ways.