What Conservatives Are....

  • turtleneckjoc...

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    Sep 21, 2013 10:14 PM GMT
    How true....below is a reader's response to a recent story in New York Magazine titled "Republicans: We Were Too Nice To The Hungry, But We've Fixed That."

    The full story:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/republicans-we-were-too-nice-to-the-hungry.html?test=true

    "As an astute observer of rightwing politics for about 40 years now, I have concluded that there are some common factors that run through and underpin virtually every conservative policy and belief. All of them have one or more of these things in common:

    1) Fear: Fear of minorities, gays, foreigners and, essentially, anything and anyone that is unfamiliar or different. Science has proven that conservatives are unable to adapt.

    2) Resentment: They become outraged at the mere thought that someone may be getting something for nothing or at less cost than them. This resentment doesn't transfer to those who are wealthier. Wealthy people, by their wealth, have proven that they are morally superior and deserve anything they have, regardless of the cost to others or the country at large.

    3) Inability to empathize: This is very similar to the disability common among sociopaths. Conservative bristle at the suggestion because not being able to empthaize, they really have no concept of what it is. They'll protest that they care about people but, in reality, any genuine concern extends only to their immediate circle. For the rest, they feel only a mixture of condescension and perhaps a bit of pity, which they mistake for empathy.

    4) Greed and selfishness: This is what results in their protesting against expenditures that, in reality, cost them a pittance. It's behind their grossly distorted and exaggerated perspective of how much the U.S. spends on things like welfare and foreign aid. You see evidence of this in surveys where conservatives say that the U.S. spends 20% of its budget on foreign aid when the real number is nearer to 2% and when they estimate food stamp fraud at 70% when the number is closer to 1%. Yet they have no quibble with a defense department that "loses" tens of billions into thin air.

    5) A naive belief that they will one day be allowed to enter the front door of the country club: Conservatives reliably overestimate the upward mobility of the U.S. by a factor of many times. They're stuck in the 50's when upward mobility was higher than the European countries and they refuse to acknowledge the reality that we are ranked somewhere around 37th in upward mobility."
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    Sep 21, 2013 11:33 PM GMT
    There's a name for all that, it's called "Projecting".
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    Sep 22, 2013 12:00 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidThere's a name for all that, it's called "Projecting".

    And there's a name for you: denial.
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    Sep 22, 2013 12:01 AM GMT
    Don't you have a bridge or mah jongg game tonite? Who's bringin the low fat cream cheese?
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    Sep 22, 2013 12:01 AM GMT
    Um, no
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    Sep 22, 2013 2:05 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidDon't you have a bridge or mah jongg game tonite? Who's bringin the low fat cream cheese?


    You know, I'm noticing that you're throwing around a lot of ageist comments.
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    Sep 22, 2013 2:17 AM GMT
    I should have said low fat cottage cheese...
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    Sep 22, 2013 9:04 AM GMT
    creature said
    Blakes7 saidDon't you have a bridge or mah jongg game tonite? Who's bringin the low fat cream cheese?


    You know, I'm noticing that you're throwing around a lot of ageist comments.


    I'm noticing that his unverified fake profile has two pictures of a dog.
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    Sep 22, 2013 3:53 PM GMT
    Meaning? I don't have to justify myself to you.

    The age comments are directed at one person, it's called banter. We break each other's chops.
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    Sep 22, 2013 4:02 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidMeaning? I don't have to justify myself to you.

    The age comments are directed at one person, it's called banter. We break each other's chops.

    Well, if that ageist slam was directed at me, you don't know very much about your elders. True, I learned to play bridge in prep school, but hated it, haven't played in 50 years. Nor really any card or board games, way too sedentary for me. And if you mean some other older guy here, I suspect the same would be true.

    So if you wanna have "banter" as you call it (we actually all know you're really attempting bashing, not banter), you could at least get it right.
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    Sep 22, 2013 4:46 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    Blakes7 saidMeaning? I don't have to justify myself to you.

    The age comments are directed at one person, it's called banter. We break each other's chops.

    Well, if that ageist slam was directed at me, you don't know very much about your elders. True, I learned to play bridge in prep school, but hated it, haven't played in 50 years. Nor really any card or board games, way too sedentary for me. And if you mean some other older guy here, I suspect the same would be true.

    So if you wanna have "banter" as you call it (we actually all know you're really attempting bashing, not banter), you could at least get it right.


    Blakes7 is one of the rapidly diminishing ones on here that believes once someone turns 40, they are useless to society and clinically dead.

    Since he loves to stereotype those older (and smarter) than him, I see him as a drug-crazed stoner that worships Amy Winehouse and slashes his wrists to get attention.

    No? I'm wrong? I'm stereotyping you?? If the shoe fits, wear it D-bag. Run along, get a life and grow up.
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    Sep 22, 2013 7:35 PM GMT
    Both of you are way too sensitive. I can't remember the last time I talked to Artdeco, and I don't think I ever talked to the other clown known as turtleneck. The "one" who's balls I break is Aristoshark.
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    Sep 22, 2013 7:38 PM GMT
    turtleneckjock said
    ART_DECO said
    Blakes7 saidMeaning? I don't have to justify myself to you.

    The age comments are directed at one person, it's called banter. We break each other's chops.

    Well, if that ageist slam was directed at me, you don't know very much about your elders. True, I learned to play bridge in prep school, but hated it, haven't played in 50 years. Nor really any card or board games, way too sedentary for me. And if you mean some other older guy here, I suspect the same would be true.

    So if you wanna have "banter" as you call it (we actually all know you're really attempting bashing, not banter), you could at least get it right.


    Blakes7 is one of the rapidly diminishing ones on here that believes once someone turns 40, they are useless to society and clinically dead.

    Since he loves to stereotype those older (and smarter) than him, I see him as a drug-crazed stoner that worships Amy Winehouse and slashes his wrists to get attention.

    No? I'm wrong? I'm stereotyping you?? If the shoe fits, wear it D-bag. Run along, get a life and grow up.


    What an arrogant horse's ass. You know less about me than some random stranger in Zimbabwe. Save the projecting for someone who's impressed by it.
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    Sep 22, 2013 10:26 PM GMT
    Except this is a fail by the fact that there are conservative gays and blacks. eeeek.

    What it comes down to, in my opinion, is how money should be spent. However, you have a lot of stupid, ignorant people... and that adds a lot to the dynamic.
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    Sep 23, 2013 1:00 AM GMT
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    What it comes down to, in my opinion, is how money should be spent. However, you have a lot of stupid, ignorant people... and that adds a lot to the dynamic.


    I agree. That happens in any Party. As far as Conservative fiscal behaviour goes, they're as bad as anyone they claim is worse.

    Welcome to Alberta, which has had a right wing majority all the way through for over 30 years, since 1971. Total control in that Province and the most Conservative in Canada.

    Alberta’s pension funds are currently unfunded to the tune of $7.4 billion. And not a Lib or a Socialist or a Commie to blame.
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    Sep 23, 2013 2:58 AM GMT
    turtleneckjock saidHow true....below is a reader's response to a recent story in New York Magazine titled "Republicans: We Were Too Nice To The Hungry, But We've Fixed That."

    The full story:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/09/republicans-we-were-too-nice-to-the-hungry.html?test=true

    "As an astute observer of rightwing politics for about 40 years now, I have concluded that there are some common factors that run through and underpin virtually every conservative policy and belief. All of them have one or more of these things in common:

    1) Fear: Fear of minorities, gays, foreigners and, essentially, anything and anyone that is unfamiliar or different. Science has proven that conservatives are unable to adapt.

    2) Resentment: They become outraged at the mere thought that someone may be getting something for nothing or at less cost than them. This resentment doesn't transfer to those who are wealthier. Wealthy people, by their wealth, have proven that they are morally superior and deserve anything they have, regardless of the cost to others or the country at large.

    3) Inability to empathize: This is very similar to the disability common among sociopaths. Conservative bristle at the suggestion because not being able to empthaize, they really have no concept of what it is. They'll protest that they care about people but, in reality, any genuine concern extends only to their immediate circle. For the rest, they feel only a mixture of condescension and perhaps a bit of pity, which they mistake for empathy.

    4) Greed and selfishness: This is what results in their protesting against expenditures that, in reality, cost them a pittance. It's behind their grossly distorted and exaggerated perspective of how much the U.S. spends on things like welfare and foreign aid. You see evidence of this in surveys where conservatives say that the U.S. spends 20% of its budget on foreign aid when the real number is nearer to 2% and when they estimate food stamp fraud at 70% when the number is closer to 1%. Yet they have no quibble with a defense department that "loses" tens of billions into thin air.

    5) A naive belief that they will one day be allowed to enter the front door of the country club: Conservatives reliably overestimate the upward mobility of the U.S. by a factor of many times. They're stuck in the 50's when upward mobility was higher than the European countries and they refuse to acknowledge the reality that we are ranked somewhere around 37th in upward mobility."



    You're so full of shit your eyes are brown !

    Why do dimwits like you always try to define me and people like me as you want us to be and not who we really are? What you describe as a conservative only ever existed in your narrow, twisted little mind and nowhere in reality !
  • PolitiMAC

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    Sep 23, 2013 3:52 AM GMT
    Sorry, I'm a young gay conservative, and that is all wrong. This is what the Left WANT to think conservatives are.

    But they forget that the conservatives are the far more successful ones. Thatcher, as much as the Lefties love to hate her, was voted in three times. Howard (Australia), voted in FOUR times. American Presidents can only be in for two terms and then they have to stop, so the voting thing doesn't quite work there, but seeing how Obama is now LESS popular than Bush, I think that says something.

    All of those things on the list are, for a lack of a less blunt word, bullshit.

    I have no problem with any minority. Sure, many can be annoying. But it's their choice and I shall accept that.

    Resentment? Well, if people who don't work a day of their lives and are feeding off my and others' taxes, then yes, I will resent that. Because it's unfair Socialism. Socialism is uneconomic, idealistic, unworkable and utterly foolish.

    Inability to empathise? Sorry, honey. I like to help people wherever I can. I am not one to want people to suffer. That being said, I accept that I can't help everything and I do not expect everyone else to just waste their money on something that has no actual effect.

    Greed and selfishness? Nope. Not that at all. I have never been successful with friends for my lack of social ability, so I do not have the luxury of being overly selfish.

    And the only ones here that are naive are the lefties who believe this dishonest crap. It's so ironic how the Left believe that they are the morally superior ones and conservatives are all cavepeople, yet they are the ones who slander and condescend INSTANTLY.

    Lefties are just like children. Now, let's see how long it takes before someone tells me how stupid I am icon_smile.gif
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    Sep 23, 2013 4:05 AM GMT
    They protest every weekend here in Fort Lauderdale. Just yesterday they were also in Boca Raton, at the Glades rd. overpass on I-95.

    They bring their signs.

    Their crazy handwritten signs.

    If I glance at over, the signs almost always says something racist, homophobic, advocating gun violence, or worse...revolution. Misspellings and poor grammar are not uncommon. One had flag with the stars omitted in favor of a Christian cross.

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    Keeping it classy.

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    Liberals don't need to attack conservatives. Just step back, let their rank and file have the stage. Enjoy the freak show.

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    Sep 23, 2013 11:39 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    Blakes7 saidThere's a name for all that, it's called "Projecting".

    And there's a name for you: denial.


    Oh Bobby thats the pot calling the Kettle black, considering you have spent your whole life in denial; such a sad way to live, not even being able to be truthful to yourself.
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    Sep 23, 2013 3:57 PM GMT
    Conservatives do a pretty fine job themselves of defining themselves, and it is a set of values that is repugnant to over 60% of the Canadian electorate. (But in our First Past the Post Parliamentary system, one can win a "majority" government with only 30% of the vote in the right places.)

    The fortunes of the GOP in the United States of America is pretty indicative of how unpalatable the right wing narrative of fear and Division really is.

    I like to think the pendulum is generally returning to the side of liberalism and compassion.

    The conservative attack on Labour in Canada is proving very mobilizing; the unions are becoming highly activist in compaigning for the removal of conservative Ministers.

    PEI's sole Conservative MP has been targetted and the unions and the progressives are pounding at her in her home riding where she refuses to meet with anyone, and has been tryting to defend a disgraced Conservative Senator (who has become a national joke embodying Senate corruption. That is wjat the Conservatives are mostly known for these days in Canada: corruption in the Senate and a cover up in the Prime Minister's Office involving a $90,000 personal payment to that corrupt Senator.: Mike Duffy.

    For some reason the Conservatives liked appointing to the Senate, journalists who had proven themselves to be pro Conservative over the years The two most famous ofthem have flamed out rather spectacularly amid rampant spending and not even living in the provinces they are supposed to represent. The RCMP is involved. One would have been forgiven for expecting a journalist to know what kind of examination they would themselves be subject to, now that they themselves were feeding at the public trough.

    SEnator Wallin is downright childish that she had to payy back over $120,000 in inappropriate claims.


    SMH.

    Not just entitled but stupid, thinking they were untouchable. Mike Duffy is the biggest punchline in the country now. Couldn't happen to a nicer PR hack. He was not particularly respected as a journalist either. In Canada a "good journalist" is one whose political views come as a surprise, if at all. Serious "REAL" career journalists, like military officers do not ever risk spoiling their perceived objectivity until they retire. Then their Party choice often makes the news, if they go public with their support or take a political job. Taking the political job forever closes the door on your neutrality. (as it should).


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    Sep 23, 2013 4:21 PM GMT
    Tangiers said

    They bring their signs.
    Because as we all know, Liberals, Progressives or whatever it is you all are calling yourselves this week never protest and bring signs with them.

    Their crazy handwritten signs.
    No hand written signs for you all.
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    If I glance at over, the signs almost always says something racist, homophobic, advocating gun violence, or worse...revolution. Misspellings and poor grammar are not uncommon.
    Nothing violent or revolutionary here.
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    One had flag with the stars omitted in favor of a Christian cross.
    I'm sure this flag doesn't bother you, though.
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    Keeping it classy.
    My thoughts exactly

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    Liberals don't need to attack conservatives. Just step back, let their rank and file have the stage. Enjoy the freak show.
    Looks like your side wins!









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    Sep 23, 2013 7:40 PM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidThe fortunes of the GOP in the United States of America is pretty indicative of how unpalatable the right wing narrative of fear and Division really is.


    The right-wing has run out of ideas so they just keep repeating the same tired, lame, broken record attacks nobody cares about.

    I don't know whether they actually believe repeating the same boring, whiny claptrap over and over and over and over again is going to help their cause ("maybe if we yell it two hundred times instead of one hundred, voters will start to care!") or if conservatives are just too dumb to come up with anything new.

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    Sep 23, 2013 8:03 PM GMT
    Thank God I live in a country where the Conservatives are back in power, and Australia can start to advance once again. But sadly also once again the left have left us another massive bill to pay off.

    How disapointed all those who voted the left in for self advancement. All they got was to help put Australia back in debut. When they took over in 2007 there was no debut, as John Howard had paid off all of the left's bills, and left the left with money to burn; and they did.

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    Sep 23, 2013 8:15 PM GMT
    Remember the American dream is not a handout.
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    Sep 23, 2013 9:21 PM GMT
    shybuffguy said
    Tangiers said

    They bring their signs.
    Because as we all know, Liberals, Progressives or whatever it is you all are calling yourselves this week never protest and bring signs with them.



    Photos of signs you posted have nothing to do with Liberals or Progressives.

    Your post is boilerplate right wing...just like the right wingers who attempt to link the Unibomber to the Democratic Party or Liberal policies.

    Exhibit A: Billboard put up by a prominent right wing organization...
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    Its really pretty pathetic that people actually buy into this...but it certainly dovetails with the angry people I see protesting every week here in South Florida. The signs I posted are 100% in line with what I see at the rallies.

    I support protesting and signs. But when they carry a heavy racist, homophobic and violent tone...it makes my desire to support their opponents even stronger.