Hilarious: Republicans in meltdown beating each other up over Obamacare

  • TroyAthlete

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    Sep 25, 2013 4:10 AM GMT
    The cockroaches have started eating each other. This is hilarious.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/23/sarah-palin-chris-wallace-ted-cruz_n_3975077.html?ir=MediaSarah Palin went after Chris Wallace on Sunday after the Fox News host said he received opposition research from Republicans about Ted Cruz.

    "This has been one of the strangest weeks I've ever had in Washington," Wallace said on "Fox News Sunday." "As soon as we listed Ted Cruz as our featured guest this week, I got unsolicited research and questions, not from Democrats, but from top Republicans to hammer Cruz."


    http://swampland.time.com/2013/09/24/how-ted-cruz-wins-by-losing/The moment marked the climax of a spreading rift between Cruz, the combative champion of grassroots conservatives, and most of the rest of the Republican Party. Around Washington, consultants warned that Cruz’s antics tarnished the GOP brand. Inside the Capitol, colleagues grumbled that his showboating boxed in House Republicans by delaying Senate Democrats’ inevitable victory. “I know how this movie ends,” groused Senator John McCain. “I know all the scenes.”…


    http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/09/24/high-risk-low-yield-n1707454/page/fullWhat could possibly rescue Barack Obama from all these political problems and create a distraction that takes all his scandals off the front page? Only one thing: the Republicans.

    By making a futile and foredoomed attempt to defund ObamaCare, Congressional Republicans have created the distraction that Obama so much needs. Already media attention has shifted to the possibility of a government shutdown.


    http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/24/karl-rove-ted-cruz-should-not-be-surprised-by-pushback-from-his-fellow-republicans/“His fellow senators don’t know where he is coming from,” Rove said. “Sunday morning sitting in the green room waiting for ‘Fox News Sunday’ to begin, I get a call from a senator whom I don’t know too well who said to me ‘Do you know what he is going to say? Because I don’t. I’m a senator and I have no idea what his end game is. I’m going to be watching this in order to figure out what he thinks we should do next.’”

    According to Rove, Cruz hasn’t participated in the Thursday morning meetings held by Senate Republicans to lay out his plans for the week, thus not convincing many of his colleagues to support his tactics.


    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/24/can-ted-cruz-win-by-losing.html

    Ted Cruz is going to lose his confrontation over Obamacare. In losing, however, he will taint his possible rivals—including Rand Paul—as pitiful members of the “surrender caucus.” Only he will stand brave and true, like Mel Gibson playing Braveheart. The Wall Street Journal calls his campaign “kamikaze.”


    http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=75124207697efe9a19ed9a724&id=9a49baed4d&eMitch McConnell and John Cornyn have surrendered to Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and the Democrats. We can't let these turncoats force millions of Americans into this liberal train wreck.
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    Sep 25, 2013 4:48 AM GMT
    Lol. Our tax dollars hard at work.
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    The Birthers will not enjoy the fact that Cruz is Canadian and is revoking that citizenship to run for Prez.

    Uh oh!

    "Cruz's mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. His father was born in Matanzas, Cuba, and moved to the U.S. in 1957. The family returned to the States from Calgary when Ted was four. On his Senate website, Cruz's biography mentions where his parents were born but not his own birthplace."

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/how-u-s-senator-ted-cruz-can-renounce-his-canadian-citizenship-1.1408839
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    Hmmmm...Dad from Cuba. Ain't that some kinda Commie place?
  • TroyAthlete

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    Sep 25, 2013 6:15 AM GMT
    ^ If by "unbearable" you mean "super entertaining" by being Goldwater II and being on the losing end of the biggest electoral landslide in 30 years, then yeah.

    Cruz/Paul or Paul/Cruz 2016!
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    Sep 25, 2013 6:20 AM GMT
    Minority republicans are kidding themselves.
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    ReluctantPromises said
    TroyAthlete said^ If by "unbearable" you mean "super entertaining" by being Goldwater II and being on the losing end of the biggest electoral landslide in 30 years, then yeah.

    Cruz/Paul or Paul/Cruz 2016!


    I think you just insulted Barry Goldwater.....


    Good point. Goldwater at least stood up for women's rights and gay rights in 80s and 90s after the GOP started to be taken over by the batcrap crazy whiners.

    No way today's conservatives would nominate Goldwatr today. He'd be a "liberal" which in conservaspeak means to standing up for the freedom and prosperity of anyone who's not a rich straight Aryan dude.

    Best Goldwater quotes:

    "Every good Christian ought to kick Jerry Falwell right in the ass." - 1991

    "We're the new liberals of the Republican party. Can you imagine that?" - 1996

    "The Republican Party has been taken over by a bunch of kooks." - 1989

    QFT.
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    Sep 25, 2013 1:33 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    The Birthers will not enjoy the fact that Cruz is Canadian and is revoking that citizenship to run for Prez.

    Uh oh!

    "Cruz's mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. His father was born in Matanzas, Cuba, and moved to the U.S. in 1957. The family returned to the States from Calgary when Ted was four. On his Senate website, Cruz's biography mentions where his parents were born but not his own birthplace."

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/how-u-s-senator-ted-cruz-can-renounce-his-canadian-citizenship-1.1408839

    The Birthers insist that Obama's US birth certificate is a forgery. But Cruz doesn't even HAVE one! How did HE get elected as a US Senator from Texas?

    He has a CANADIAN birth certificate, and just his word that he's really a US citizen, because his mother was US at the time of his birth, in Canada. Can you imagine what the Right Wing Birthers would have made of such an unsubstantiated claim by Obama?

    What is supposed to happen with an overseas birth is an application to the US State Dept. for the equivalent of a US birth certificate, after evidence supporting a claim to US citizenship has been presented. Cruz's parents, and later the adult Cruz himself, apparently never did that, even when he ran for the US Senate.

    So that technically he would not have been eligible for US elective office. I don't know whether he's corrected that mistake yet, but he doesn't seem to have had the proper proof of US citizenship at the time he entered the Senate. Can you imagine the Republicans giving Obama a similar pass on that?
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    Sep 25, 2013 1:50 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    ReluctantPromises said
    TroyAthlete said^ If by "unbearable" you mean "super entertaining" by being Goldwater II and being on the losing end of the biggest electoral landslide in 30 years, then yeah.

    Cruz/Paul or Paul/Cruz 2016!


    I think you just insulted Barry Goldwater.....


    Good point. Goldwater at least stood up for women's rights and gay rights in 80s and 90s after the GOP started to be taken over by the batcrap crazy whiners.

    No way today's conservatives would nominate Goldwatr today. He'd be a "liberal" which in conservaspeak means to standing up for the freedom and prosperity of anyone who's not a rich straight Aryan dude.

    Best Goldwater quotes:

    "Every good Christian ought to kick Jerry Falwell right in the ass." - 1991

    "We're the new liberals of the Republican party. Can you imagine that?" - 1996

    "The Republican Party has been taken over by a bunch of kooks." - 1989

    QFT.





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    Sep 25, 2013 2:59 PM GMT
    StylishJock said
    ART_DECO said
    meninlove said

    The Birthers will not enjoy the fact that Cruz is Canadian and is revoking that citizenship to run for Prez.

    Uh oh!

    "Cruz's mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. His father was born in Matanzas, Cuba, and moved to the U.S. in 1957. The family returned to the States from Calgary when Ted was four. On his Senate website, Cruz's biography mentions where his parents were born but not his own birthplace."

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/how-u-s-senator-ted-cruz-can-renounce-his-canadian-citizenship-1.1408839

    The Birthers insist that Obama's US birth certificate is a forgery. But Cruz doesn't even HAVE one! How did HE get elected as a US Senator from Texas?

    He has a CANADIAN birth certificate, and just his word that he's really a US citizen, because his mother was US at the time of his birth, in Canada. Can you imagine what the Right Wing Birthers would have made of such an unsubstantiated claim by Obama?

    What is supposed to happen with an overseas birth is an application to the US State Dept. for the equivalent of a US birth certificate, after evidence supporting a claim to US citizenship has been presented. Cruz's parents, and later the adult Cruz himself, apparently never did that, even when he ran for the US Senate.

    So that technically he would not have been eligible for US elective office. I don't know whether he's corrected that mistake yet, but he doesn't seem to have had the proper proof of US citizenship at the time he entered the Senate. Can you imagine the Republicans giving Obama a similar pass on that?

    Sounds like you are a birther.

    Sounds like you can't read. I'm mocking the Birthers for being partisan hypocrites. Their rules only apply to Obama, not to one of their own political darlings, Senator Cruz. Whose birth credentials are much more precarious than Obama's ever were.
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    Sep 25, 2013 3:09 PM GMT
    StylishJock said
    ART_DECO said
    meninlove said

    The Birthers will not enjoy the fact that Cruz is Canadian and is revoking that citizenship to run for Prez.

    Uh oh!

    "Cruz's mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. His father was born in Matanzas, Cuba, and moved to the U.S. in 1957. The family returned to the States from Calgary when Ted was four. On his Senate website, Cruz's biography mentions where his parents were born but not his own birthplace."

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/how-u-s-senator-ted-cruz-can-renounce-his-canadian-citizenship-1.1408839

    The Birthers insist that Obama's US birth certificate is a forgery. But Cruz doesn't even HAVE one! How did HE get elected as a US Senator from Texas?

    He has a CANADIAN birth certificate, and just his word that he's really a US citizen, because his mother was US at the time of his birth, in Canada. Can you imagine what the Right Wing Birthers would have made of such an unsubstantiated claim by Obama?

    What is supposed to happen with an overseas birth is an application to the US State Dept. for the equivalent of a US birth certificate, after evidence supporting a claim to US citizenship has been presented. Cruz's parents, and later the adult Cruz himself, apparently never did that, even when he ran for the US Senate.

    So that technically he would not have been eligible for US elective office. I don't know whether he's corrected that mistake yet, but he doesn't seem to have had the proper proof of US citizenship at the time he entered the Senate. Can you imagine the Republicans giving Obama a similar pass on that?


    Sounds like you are a birther.





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    Sep 25, 2013 8:29 PM GMT
    rnch said
    StylishJock said
    ART_DECO said
    meninlove said

    The Birthers will not enjoy the fact that Cruz is Canadian and is revoking that citizenship to run for Prez.

    Uh oh!

    "Cruz's mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. His father was born in Matanzas, Cuba, and moved to the U.S. in 1957. The family returned to the States from Calgary when Ted was four. On his Senate website, Cruz's biography mentions where his parents were born but not his own birthplace."

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/how-u-s-senator-ted-cruz-can-renounce-his-canadian-citizenship-1.1408839

    The Birthers insist that Obama's US birth certificate is a forgery. But Cruz doesn't even HAVE one! How did HE get elected as a US Senator from Texas?

    He has a CANADIAN birth certificate, and just his word that he's really a US citizen, because his mother was US at the time of his birth, in Canada. Can you imagine what the Right Wing Birthers would have made of such an unsubstantiated claim by Obama?

    What is supposed to happen with an overseas birth is an application to the US State Dept. for the equivalent of a US birth certificate, after evidence supporting a claim to US citizenship has been presented. Cruz's parents, and later the adult Cruz himself, apparently never did that, even when he ran for the US Senate.

    So that technically he would not have been eligible for US elective office. I don't know whether he's corrected that mistake yet, but he doesn't seem to have had the proper proof of US citizenship at the time he entered the Senate. Can you imagine the Republicans giving Obama a similar pass on that?


    Sounds like you are a birther.





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    He's STYLISH! Perdy don't have notin to do with smarts.

    I loved Barry Goldwater in his later years as elder statesman. He was a class act ( BTW no irony whatsoever). It's the Tea Baggers that are killing the Republican Party. But the Republicans invited them in and gave them a platform. I hope they can find a way to get rid of the neo-McCarthyites and get back to real political issues.
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    unckabasa said
    rnch said
    StylishJock said
    ART_DECO said
    meninlove said

    The Birthers will not enjoy the fact that Cruz is Canadian and is revoking that citizenship to run for Prez.

    Uh oh!

    "Cruz's mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. His father was born in Matanzas, Cuba, and moved to the U.S. in 1957. The family returned to the States from Calgary when Ted was four. On his Senate website, Cruz's biography mentions where his parents were born but not his own birthplace."

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/how-u-s-senator-ted-cruz-can-renounce-his-canadian-citizenship-1.1408839

    The Birthers insist that Obama's US birth certificate is a forgery. But Cruz doesn't even HAVE one! How did HE get elected as a US Senator from Texas?

    He has a CANADIAN birth certificate, and just his word that he's really a US citizen, because his mother was US at the time of his birth, in Canada. Can you imagine what the Right Wing Birthers would have made of such an unsubstantiated claim by Obama?

    What is supposed to happen with an overseas birth is an application to the US State Dept. for the equivalent of a US birth certificate, after evidence supporting a claim to US citizenship has been presented. Cruz's parents, and later the adult Cruz himself, apparently never did that, even when he ran for the US Senate.

    So that technically he would not have been eligible for US elective office. I don't know whether he's corrected that mistake yet, but he doesn't seem to have had the proper proof of US citizenship at the time he entered the Senate. Can you imagine the Republicans giving Obama a similar pass on that?


    Sounds like you are a birther.





    SJ: U jes' ain't too braigghhhttttt, are u, boi!



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    He's STYLISH! Perdy don't have notin to do with smarts.

    I loved Barry Goldwater in his later years as elder statesman. He was a class act ( BTW no irony whatsoever). It's the Tea Baggers that are killing the Republican Party. But the Republicans invited them in and gave them a platform. I hope they can find a way to get rid of the neo-McCarthyites and get back to real political issues.



    As a 10 year old in the 4th grade, Goldwater / Miller was the first campaign where I was active or as active as a 10 year old can be. I very much supported him and especially in his elder years primarily because of native American issues.
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    StylishJock said
    ART_DECO said
    StylishJock said
    ART_DECO said
    meninlove said

    The Birthers will not enjoy the fact that Cruz is Canadian and is revoking that citizenship to run for Prez.

    Uh oh!

    "Cruz's mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. His father was born in Matanzas, Cuba, and moved to the U.S. in 1957. The family returned to the States from Calgary when Ted was four. On his Senate website, Cruz's biography mentions where his parents were born but not his own birthplace."

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/how-u-s-senator-ted-cruz-can-renounce-his-canadian-citizenship-1.1408839

    The Birthers insist that Obama's US birth certificate is a forgery. But Cruz doesn't even HAVE one! How did HE get elected as a US Senator from Texas?

    He has a CANADIAN birth certificate, and just his word that he's really a US citizen, because his mother was US at the time of his birth, in Canada. Can you imagine what the Right Wing Birthers would have made of such an unsubstantiated claim by Obama?

    What is supposed to happen with an overseas birth is an application to the US State Dept. for the equivalent of a US birth certificate, after evidence supporting a claim to US citizenship has been presented. Cruz's parents, and later the adult Cruz himself, apparently never did that, even when he ran for the US Senate.

    So that technically he would not have been eligible for US elective office. I don't know whether he's corrected that mistake yet, but he doesn't seem to have had the proper proof of US citizenship at the time he entered the Senate. Can you imagine the Republicans giving Obama a similar pass on that?

    Sounds like you are a birther.

    Sounds like you can't read. I'm mocking the Birthers for being partisan hypocrites. Their rules only apply to Obama, not to one of their own political darlings, Senator Cruz. Whose birth credentials are much more precarious than Obama's ever were.


    You wrote:

    I don't know whether he's corrected that mistake yet, but he doesn't seem to have had the proper proof of US citizenship at the time he entered the Senate.

    So that is part of your "joking/mocking?"

    Still sounds like you are a birther when it comes to Cruz.


    There is no "Proper Proof" to birthers as to Obama. As a "white guy" I'm call the race card on those ass hats.

    wtf does " at the time he entered the Senate." mean? He's proven it to any reasonable person since. The Tea Party morons didn't exist when he entered the Senate. Was he supposed to prove it before? That you say "he doesn't" (current) rather than didn't (previous)implies so.

    You see the hypocrisy regarding Cruz is he doesn't have the birthers proof either, even though he is a birther.........GET IT?
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    wtf does " at the time he entered the Senate." mean? He's proven it to any reasonable person since. The Tea Party morons didn't exist when he entered the Senate. Was he supposed to prove it before? That you say "he doesn't" (current) rather than didn't (previous) implies so.

    You see the hypocrisy regarding Cruz is he doesn't have the birthers proof either, even though he is a birther.........GET IT?

    It means exactly what I wrote - that his US citizenship was still not officially established when he was sworn into the US Senate. Cruz had a Canadian birth certificate, and nothing else.

    Cruz began his first term in the US Senate on January 3, 2013. The Teabaggers have existed nationally since 2009. I would therefore conclude that your claim that the Teabaggers didn't exist prior to Cruz entering the Senate is incorrect.
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    This.
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    wtf does " at the time he entered the Senate." mean? He's proven it to any reasonable person since. The Tea Party morons didn't exist when he entered the Senate. Was he supposed to prove it before? That you say "he doesn't" (current) rather than didn't (previous) implies so.

    You see the hypocrisy regarding Cruz is he doesn't have the birthers proof either, even though he is a birther.........GET IT?

    It means exactly what I wrote - that his US citizenship was still not officially established when he was sworn into the US Senate. Cruz had a Canadian birth certificate, and nothing else.

    Cruz began his first term in the US Senate on January 3, 2013. The Teabaggers have existed nationally since 2009. I would therefore conclude that your claim that the Teabaggers didn't exist prior to Cruz entering the Senate is incorrect.


    I was referring to Stylish's comment about Obama.
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    unckabasa said
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    wtf does " at the time he entered the Senate." mean? He's proven it to any reasonable person since. The Tea Party morons didn't exist when he entered the Senate. Was he supposed to prove it before? That you say "he doesn't" (current) rather than didn't (previous) implies so.

    You see the hypocrisy regarding Cruz is he doesn't have the birthers proof either, even though he is a birther.........GET IT?

    It means exactly what I wrote - that his US citizenship was still not officially established when he was sworn into the US Senate. Cruz had a Canadian birth certificate, and nothing else.

    Cruz began his first term in the US Senate on January 3, 2013. The Teabaggers have existed nationally since 2009. I would therefore conclude that your claim that the Teabaggers didn't exist prior to Cruz entering the Senate is incorrect.

    I was referring to Stylish's comment about Obama.

    And I was clearly referring to Cruz, and it was my quote about Cruz you used: "...at the time he entered the Senate."

    In any case, the Teabagger Birthers made Cruz their darling, but they now seem to have a problem on their hands. Well, maybe not. In Right Wing Bizzaroland it's no problem to ignore facts, invent facts, disregard contradictions & inconsistencies, believe in fantasy, just so long as you stay on message. Obama is a socialist-Muslim Brotherhood-Fascist-communist-alien who's plotting the overthrow of the US, while all Republicans are as innocent & pure as Shirley Temple.
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    Sep 26, 2013 4:53 PM GMT
    oops sorry! The quoting on here is always confusing. Sometime I feel like Emily Latella.....never mind! LOL
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    Sep 26, 2013 5:23 PM GMT
    Not hilarious other than in a Schadenfreude sort of mood. Actually, it's tragic, because it marks the unraveling of American Democracy - hopefully temporary - when one party over-reaches (remember "permanent majority"?) and paints itself into a corner.

    The country belongs to all of us, and this sort of thing is like the trenches of WWI - no movement at all, huge casualties, and to what benefit to the country at large?

    I guess the GOP has to self-destruct in order to rebuild as a rational party that will sit down at the table with all Americans. But I hate seeing it happen is this slow motion train wreck.
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    tazzari saidNot hilarious other than in a Schadenfreude sort of mood. Actually, it's tragic, because it marks the unraveling of American Democracy - hopefully temporary - when one party over-reaches (remember "permanent majority"?) and paints itself into a corner.

    The country belongs to all of us, and this sort of thing is like the trenches of WWI - no movement at all, huge casualties, and to what benefit to the country at large?

    I guess the GOP has to self-destruct in order to rebuild as a rational party that will sit down at the table with all Americans. But I hate seeing it happen is this slow motion train wreck.


    And it will come back. We need reasonable thoughtful people on both sides who can put away the rhetoric, hate and vitriol and work the problems out. Or maybe as an alternative, we need a nation threatening outside force to bring us together a bit as we were during the two world wars and for maybe 15 minutes after 9-11.

    Who knows. maybe an alien invasion or an approaching, life ending asteroid that sure to hit the earth would do the trick?
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    Sep 26, 2013 11:33 PM GMT
    Who knows. maybe an alien invasion or an approaching, life ending asteroid that sure to hit the earth would do the trick?

    Bachmann doesn't count? icon_lol.gif
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    thecoochiesthejuices saidthe day that america gets universal health care where nobody has to worry about being denied access into an emergency room because they have no insurance. icon_sad.gif they say that's "socialism" though even though we have medicaid and medicare which are socialist programs.
    No one is denied from an emergency room.
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    thecoochiesthejuices saidthe day that america gets universal health care where nobody has to worry about being denied access into an emergency room because they have no insurance. icon_sad.gif they say that's "socialism" though even though we have medicaid and medicare which are socialist programs.
    No one is denied from an emergency room.


    they aren't? do they have to pay the cost of whatever surgery they get while in the er or whatever? just wanna know in case there's a situation where you know....
    No one can be turned down from an emergency room. And yes they would send you the bill. However, paying medical bills are different from regular bills. You can pay $5 a month on a bill and they can't say anything. Also most of the people can't pay and the hospital eats the cost. Also if you write a letter to the board they can comp your entire stay if it is well written. (I have actually never seen an example of a hospital declining). There is also a way to apply for financial hardship.

    There's a lot hospitals will do for people. But most people do not take the time to see what can be done. Also politeness goes a long way on the phone. icon_razz.gif
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    Sep 27, 2013 1:03 AM GMT
    I am enjoying this with relish.

    What time do they eat their children?