StephenOABC vs. Bart Ehrman - Why Jesus Sometimes Got Angry When Asked to Heal

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    Sep 25, 2013 12:17 PM GMT
    Part of Jesus’ anger is towards the Temple establishment’s “secularism.” Jesus was not the only rabbi with “magical” powers. Why isn’t Jesus in a place of authority in the Herodian courts as Daniel in Babylon or Joseph in Egypt? How would he be as great as those religious heroes?

    How would he have been as great or greater than Moses if he didn’t learn Egyptian magic? In Josephus one learns of the Egyptian prophet who preached in the vicinity of the Mount of Olives. He was a contemporary of Jesus. Given Jesus’ scouting of places for his own gatherings, he comes in contact with the Egyptian prophet and probably mulled things over.

    More important than that: the rabbis record in the Babylonian Talmud that Jesus definitely went to Egypt and came back after he learned and empowered himself with Egyptian Magic.


    So, did the rabbis hold rabbis with magical powers gained via mysticism and mystery schools in high esteem? They did not. It did not matter that these were signs of God.

    With Jesus taking his spiritual journey from the Temple at the age of 12 to Egypt to learn and empower himself with the skills of Joseph (dream interpreter) and Moses (who grew up in the environment of royalty where sons of pharaohs were priests in Heliopolis and Luxor–exposed to Egyptian Magic), one would think one of the Herods would give Jesus a position of authority in the Temple. How could you not appoint Jesus to a high position in the Jewish Temple?



    Why get angry over doing miracles? Get angry because you are under-appreciated by Temple authority. The Temple rabbis were not singing the Hallelujah Chorus of the Messiah because the sick people were made well by God’s powers given to mystical magicians. The rabbis opposing these acts of God by Jesus and other rabbis were God blockers.

    The purity of Jesus vs. the lack of purity and integrity of the God blockers is what made Jesus seethe.


    As you know, I’ve studied the book Jesus in the Talmud. Another book I’ve studied in sections and still am studying is Jesus the Magician by Morton Smith who also wrote The Secret Gospel: The Discovery and Interpretation of the Secret Gospel According to Mark.


    (Despite today’s agnostics and atheists, there was and is a reality of “good news” to what rabbis, Chaldean astrologers, and Egyptian “magicians” and diviners could do. Even today, Reiki, aura cleansing, chakra balancing, listening to brainwave entrainment recordings, understanding astrology, and understanding quantum mechanics (Einstein’s spooky phenomena) gives us a glimpse of what lay beyond the Newtonian world where Jesus did “wonders” garnering him fame in Judea, the Oshroene, and Syria.)


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    Sep 25, 2013 12:21 PM GMT
    I am confused as to how quantum mechanics has to do with healing...
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    Sep 27, 2013 12:19 PM GMT
    JasFriedman saidI am confused as to how quantum mechanics has to do with healing...


    Remember Jesus sometimes healed without touching a person which relates to the non-locality principle.
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    Sep 27, 2013 12:28 PM GMT

    As Science and Religion continues to move further away from a Newtonian paradigm, there is an opportunity to not dismiss the non-Newtonian elements of the historicity of Jesus' actions. There are people who have tried to dismiss the non-Newtonian elements of Jesus' biography and just make him a speaker but not a healer (because that isn't scientific, I'd say, in the Newtonian sense of the word).
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    Sep 27, 2013 12:33 PM GMT
    StephenOABC said
    JasFriedman saidI am confused as to how quantum mechanics has to do with healing...


    Remember Jesus sometimes healed without touching a person which relates to the non-locality principle.


    However it seems you are making connections that doesn't appear to be there. If we can explain Jesus using science, is there any point of faith? For example we use science to explain origins of the Earth but does it match with the Bible?
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    Sep 27, 2013 12:55 PM GMT
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    Sep 27, 2013 1:01 PM GMT
    StephenOABC said
    JasFriedman saidI am confused as to how quantum mechanics has to do with healing...


    Remember Jesus sometimes healed without touching a person which relates to the non-locality principle.


    You obviously dont understand shit about quantum mechanics. Hint : its not wi-fi
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    Sep 28, 2013 2:39 AM GMT
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    Fable, I'm going to have to block you and ignore your posts for your crashing a serious conversation.
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    Sep 28, 2013 2:47 AM GMT
    JasFriedman

    I am confused as to how quantum mechanics has to do with healing...

    StephenOABC

    Remember Jesus sometimes healed without touching a person which relates to the non-locality principle.

    JasFriedman

    However it seems you are making connections that doesn't appear to be there.

    StephenOABC

    I disagree until you explain further.

    JasFriedman

    If we can explain Jesus using science, is there any point of faith?

    StephenOABC

    Faith is definitely necessary for Jesus' theology and morality.


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    Sep 28, 2013 3:17 AM GMT
    Jesus got angry? -(This thread title)
    Wait a min...didn't Jesus said 'don't be angry'?
    If you're right, then will it not make the whole teachings of Jesus superficial!
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    Sep 28, 2013 3:33 AM GMT
    i bet jesus had a hot ass
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    Sep 28, 2013 11:48 AM GMT
    Harry7785 saidJesus got angry? -(This thread title)
    Wait a min...didn't Jesus said 'don't be angry'?
    If you're right, then will it not make the whole teachings of Jesus superficial!


    Harry,

    Please provide the quotation, book of the Bible, chapter and verse.

    Jesus may have been talking about getting angry with spiritual brothers. That is not allowed. Getting angry with spiritual enemies is allowed. Jesus got angry with his spiritual enemies.

    Let's test your statement that anger leads to being labeled superficial.

    1. Watch this.



    2. Determine if this is a demolition.

    3. Remember that a number of people jumped from more than 50 stories high. Know that these aren't just numbers. Somebody's son, somebody's brother, somebody's (father?) reacted to the danger by jumping. Maybe a woman jumped, someone's daughter, someone's sister, someone's (mother?).

    4. A building is incinerated and demolished with unsuspecting human beings in the building and unsuspecting human beings running inside the building to help.


    Harry, I really do not think you have a case for losing respect for Jesus because he got angry.

    "They'll take your soul if you let them. Oh, don't you let them."

    Are there non-human predators who pull these things off? If so, we do not get angry.

    Do we get angry at perfect storms and wild fires? Do we get angry at any animal on land or in the water that kill humans?

    Do we get angry at human beings because their children or their pets have killed a child? Yes we do.

    I can see your point under the scenario that predators did 9/11. However, humans can be "dog-eat-dog." THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO GO TO CHURCH. THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE MIDDLE CLASS NOT BE DESTROYED. Scarcity can lead to human-eat-human. And, scarcity is relative. Trust me, you can have employees who make $80,000 a year and the office politics is cutthroat.

    The governmental, military, industrial complex (you can hyphenate the words if you'd like) may have arranged 9/11. We were warned about the dangers of the military industrial complex by a past president. They've harmed us before 9/11. They harmed us with the arms race of the early 1980's. If the U.S. was not involved in an arms race, perhaps we wouldn't be in debt to China. Perhaps we would have been a better nation. Perhaps education asset appreciation (the cost of a college education) would not have put SO many U.S. citizens in debt and financial imprisonment.

    Well, I've got some things I want to do today. There's a movie "Inequality for All I might try to see." "A passionate argument on behalf of the middle class" Google it.

    Even though I had seen a documentary on Cantor Fitzgerald which showed how much they hated homosexuals in their company by the culture they allowed, a culture that allowed mistreatment of GLBT people, they were working class brothers who died when two buildings were incinerated and demolished with people still in them.
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    Sep 28, 2013 11:57 AM GMT
    Jas,

    I got on here to respond to you. Basically, what I was going to add:

    It may make sense to have faith in Jesus' theology and morality.

    It may make sense to have faith in Jesus' apocalypse to the extent that our incarnations come to an end.

    I'm not so sure we should have faith in Jesus' theocracy.

    However, there have been kingdoms that had their moments. In History one can find periods where things went well for a while and there was justice and peace. In Jesus' own times, people could say that Augustus Caesar was an inspiration. So, if Jesus' Son of Man movement could have been an innovation that improved politics and nation government, then have faith in Jesus' theocracy too. But the burning of the Library of Alexandria and the Inquisitions speak against the power of Jesus' vision for political empowerment.