Steven And Roger Ham, Gay Dads, Adopt 14 Kids To Create Amazing Happy Ending

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    Sep 25, 2013 10:09 PM GMT
    Steven And Roger Ham, Gay Dads, Adopt 14 Kids To Create Amazing Happy Ending

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/25/steven-roger-ham-adopt-14-kids-gay-dads_n_3983978.html
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    Sep 27, 2013 2:25 AM GMT
    Super Cool.
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    Sep 27, 2013 3:49 PM GMT
    StephenOABC saidSuper Cool.


    Yeah, except that the gov't, agreeing with your nonsense, won't let them marry which makes inheritance rights etc a huge legal and costly mess for that family.
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    Sep 27, 2013 11:29 PM GMT
    Potemkin Village.
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    Sep 27, 2013 11:41 PM GMT
    I didn't read the article but I would like to comment on the title:

    Steven And Roger Ham, Gay Dads, Adopt 14 Kids To Create Amazing Happy Ending

    Anybody who births, adopts or raises 14 kids is out of their fucking mind.

    Just my personal opinion.
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    Sep 27, 2013 11:53 PM GMT
    Yeah I have to say, I kinda find it disturbing anyone would adopt 14 kids, gay or straight. Children, especially foster and orphans, need special attention. 2 parents cannot give 14 kids the single attention they each need and deserve.
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    Sep 28, 2013 12:42 AM GMT
    RadRTT saidYeah I have to say, I kinda find it disturbing anyone would adopt 14 kids, gay or straight. Children, especially foster and orphans, need special attention. 2 parents cannot give 14 kids the single attention they each need and deserve.


    So true..I hope they're prepared for 13 different kids acting out!
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    Sep 28, 2013 12:43 AM GMT
    RadRTT saidYeah I have to say, I kinda find it disturbing anyone would adopt 14 kids, gay or straight. Children, especially foster and orphans, need special attention. 2 parents cannot give 14 kids the single attention they each need and deserve.


    Well, the alternative is no parents in an adopted family at all. The stats are awful for young kids (not babies)that have problems. Many people looking to adopt want a baby.

    For example: " There are 408,425 children in the U.S. waiting to be adopted (Children’s Defense Fund, 2011). Most of these children are school-aged or in a sibling group that needs to stay together. Most have experienced abuse or neglect; many have physical, emotional, or intellectual disabilities. "

    While 14 is stretching, you have those people on TV who now have, what, 18 and counting or some such thing? icon_eek.gif
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    RadRTT saidYeah I have to say, I kinda find it disturbing anyone would adopt 14 kids, gay or straight. Children, especially foster and orphans, need special attention. 2 parents cannot give 14 kids the single attention they each need and deserve.


    Well, the alternative is no parents in an adopted family at all. The stats are awful for young kids (not babies)that have problems. Many people looking to adopt want a baby.

    For example: " There are 408,425 children in the U.S. waiting to be adopted (Children’s Defense Fund, 2011). Most of these children are school-aged or in a sibling group that needs to stay together. Most have experienced abuse or neglect; many have physical, emotional, or intellectual disabilities. "

    While 14 is stretching, you have those people on TV who now have, what, 18 and counting or some such thing? icon_eek.gif
    Yes, and if you read about those 18 kids, you know they are seriously mentally disturbed. Their parents are huge religious nut freaks and it is basically a mini cult.
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    Sep 28, 2013 12:56 AM GMT
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    meninlove said
    RadRTT saidYeah I have to say, I kinda find it disturbing anyone would adopt 14 kids, gay or straight. Children, especially foster and orphans, need special attention. 2 parents cannot give 14 kids the single attention they each need and deserve.


    Well, the alternative is no parents in an adopted family at all. The stats are awful for young kids (not babies)that have problems. Many people looking to adopt want a baby.

    For example: " There are 408,425 children in the U.S. waiting to be adopted (Children’s Defense Fund, 2011). Most of these children are school-aged or in a sibling group that needs to stay together. Most have experienced abuse or neglect; many have physical, emotional, or intellectual disabilities. "

    While 14 is stretching, you have those people on TV who now have, what, 18 and counting or some such thing? icon_eek.gif
    Yes, and if you read about those 18 kids, you know they are seriously mentally disturbed. Their parents are huge religious nut freaks and it is basically a mini cult.


    lol, they are a strange bunch. I think these men are OK, and so are those kids. The proof in the pudding will be how happy they are, and how well they do, which I still think rather better than being shuffled from foster home to foster home, and/or separated (as in siblings) etc.
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    Sep 28, 2013 12:59 AM GMT
    There something wrong with people who need so many children. I'm all for gay couples having children or whatever it is they call them, but 14? Yeah, those gay daddies have serious issues, which means they will probably be terrible parents because they have serious issues, which means they will be those gay couples the conservatives point to and say "we told you so."
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    Sep 28, 2013 1:07 AM GMT
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    RadRTT said
    meninlove said
    RadRTT saidYeah I have to say, I kinda find it disturbing anyone would adopt 14 kids, gay or straight. Children, especially foster and orphans, need special attention. 2 parents cannot give 14 kids the single attention they each need and deserve.


    Well, the alternative is no parents in an adopted family at all. The stats are awful for young kids (not babies)that have problems. Many people looking to adopt want a baby.

    For example: " There are 408,425 children in the U.S. waiting to be adopted (Children’s Defense Fund, 2011). Most of these children are school-aged or in a sibling group that needs to stay together. Most have experienced abuse or neglect; many have physical, emotional, or intellectual disabilities. "

    While 14 is stretching, you have those people on TV who now have, what, 18 and counting or some such thing? icon_eek.gif
    Yes, and if you read about those 18 kids, you know they are seriously mentally disturbed. Their parents are huge religious nut freaks and it is basically a mini cult.


    lol, they are a strange bunch. I think these men are OK, and so are those kids. The proof in the pudding will be how happy they are, and how well they do, which I still think rather better than being shuffled from foster home to foster home, and/or separated (as in siblings) etc.
    Just because they seem happy does not mean they are. Also the cost of each kid is outstanding. Do these men have the financial resources to provide for them? Also after a while 14 kids will cause tension in the family. There is a lot to take into consideration. While yes it is a great thing out the outside, taking care of 14 kids in unrealistic...
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    Rad said, " Do these men have the financial resources to provide for them?"

    Do they? You want me to go try find out? Or are you willing to? icon_wink.gif

    I was just thinking about that same thing and wondered if the adoption agency would knowingly put those kids in a precarious position.
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    Sep 28, 2013 1:11 AM GMT


    PS what's your alternative for those kids?
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    Rad said, " Do these men have the financial resources to provide for them?"

    Do they? You want me to go try find out? Or are you willing to? icon_wink.gif

    I was just thinking about that same thing and wondered if the adoption agency would knowingly put those kids in a precarious position.
    Adoption agencies put kids in unsuitable homes all the time. Whether it is financially, mentally, or physically unsafe for the children.
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    Sep 28, 2013 1:14 AM GMT
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    PS what's your alternative for those kids?
    Honestly, instead of Americans adopting outside of the country, adopt inside the country first. Also legalize gay adoption, so more gay couples can adopt.

    And the government needs to spend more money on organizations to help these children, Group homes can be a good place for these kids to be raised without parents. They just need a good home in a good area, with a good staff.

    Also screen the candidates more suitably. A lot of the families take in children to get the 1K a month the government gives them, and then spend it on themselves.
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    Sep 28, 2013 1:16 AM GMT

    OK , so what do you think should happen with that family, remove 7 or 8 or ? and put them back into foster programs? What is the limit of a family's size you estimate that can properly raise the kids?

    -intrigued
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    OK , so what do you think should happen with that family, remove 7 or 8 or ? and put them back into foster programs? What is the limit of a family's size you estimate that can properly raise the kids?

    -intrigued
    Honestly, no. That would scar the children right now as they have bonded with their fathers. But yes, a cap of 3-4 on number of children should be placed.

    Most of these kids need specific attention. Tell me how are 2 working parents going to give 14 kids single attention? Children need attention and specific attention. They will start to act out in order to receive that attention.

    Look at Jon and Kates children. There are reports their kids are monsters in school and public places....why? Because there are so many of them their parents cant give them individual attention.

    In my honest opinion, these men adopted all these children to make a point. Just because they are gay, does not mean they are in the right and should be considered heroes.
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    Sep 28, 2013 1:23 AM GMT


    I can't agree with your opinion. You are casting stones that slander those two men's reasons for taking on such an enormous endeavor, and they have, so far, done OK. icon_wink.gif


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    Sep 28, 2013 1:24 AM GMT
    I hope they have the family they dreamed of.
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    Sep 28, 2013 1:27 AM GMT
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    I can't agree with your opinion. You are casting stones that slander those two men's reasons for taking on such an enormous endeavor, and they have, so far, done OK. icon_wink.gif


    Slander? Meninlove, with all respect, you need to open your eyes, and realize that not every act is meant with good intention.

    And for right now they are doing okay. I am referring to the long term. Just watch. Some of the kids will do something that lands them in hot water and the dads might end up fighting over how to raise or handle the kids. Out of 14 kids they aint going to agree on everything.
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    StephenOABC saidSuper Cool.


    Yeah, except that the gov't, agreeing with your nonsense, won't let them marry which makes inheritance rights etc a huge legal and costly mess for that family.


    Well, Men in Love,

    I will be blocking you and ignoring your posts.

    Gay marriage was forced upon the United States because companies like UPS in New Jersey would not recognize the civil unions into which same-sex couples entered.

    So, you take your flawed taxonomy and live in your flawed righteousness. Go on and let corporations and politicians corrupt the very basics of life. After 70,000 years of homosexual breeding only on this Earth, I might give you the time of day.

    Human origins and Anthropology mean something. A non-dysfunctional heterosexual, biological partnership is important in families and in communities.
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    StephenOABC saidSuper Cool.


    Yeah, except that the gov't, agreeing with your nonsense, won't let them marry which makes inheritance rights etc a huge legal and costly mess for that family.


    Well, Men in Love,

    I will be blocking you and ignoring your posts.

    Gay marriage was forced upon the United States because companies like UPS in New Jersey would not recognize the civil unions into which same-sex couples entered.

    So, you take your flawed taxonomy and live in your flawed righteousness. Go on and let corporations and politicians corrupt the very basics of life. After 70,000 years of homosexual breeding only on this Earth, I might give you the time of day.

    Human origins and Anthropology mean something. A non-dysfunctional heterosexual, biological partnership is important in families and in communities.


    Well, thanks kindly!

    ..and as for this (not that you'll see it, lol) ,

    " Human origins and Anthropology mean something. A non-dysfunctional heterosexual, biological partnership is important in families and in communities."

    Of course it is, holy-good-lord-exit-stage-right. For some numb nuttery reason it appears you think one must go to have the other. It's about inclusiveness. Gay families will no doubt be 2% of families with kids. Good lord.
    *not knowing whether to laugh or cry*


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    Sep 28, 2013 4:46 AM GMT


    Now here's some background:

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