Judge Puts New Jersey On Board for Same-Sex Marriage, Beginning in October

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    Sep 27, 2013 7:19 PM GMT
    Homophobes, I never promised you a Garden State. icon_biggrin.gif

    http://www.towleroad.com/2013/09/new-jersey-judge-orders-gay-marriages-to-begin-october-21.html
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    Sep 27, 2013 7:24 PM GMT
    Decision Summary Judgement (via Towleroad):

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/171496005/Decision-Summary-Judgment
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    Sep 27, 2013 7:26 PM GMT
    NJ.com"The ineligibility of same-sex couples for federal benefits is currently harming same-sex couples in New Jersey in a wide range of contexts," she wrote.

    For example, the judge said, "civil union partners who are federal employees living in New Jersey are ineligible for marital rights with regard to the federal pension system, all civil union partners who are employees working for businesses to which the Family and Medical Leave Act applies may not rely on its statutory protections for spouses, and civil union couples may not access the federal tax benefits that married couples enjoy."

    Jacobson was asked to square the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in June striking down the Defense of Marriage Act with New Jersey's own legal precedents.
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    Sep 27, 2013 7:29 PM GMT
    Annnnnnnnd here comes the appeal (probably)...

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/09/nj_superior_court_gay_marriage_ruling.html

    NJ.comJacobson's ruling represents a victory for gay-rights advocates, although the decision is expected to be appealed: first to an intermediate court, and then to the state Supreme Court.


    Since it's really a state issue, the State Supremes oughta be as far as this baby goes, right?
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    Sep 27, 2013 7:49 PM GMT
    dayumm saidAnnnnnnnnd here comes the appeal (probably)...

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/09/nj_superior_court_gay_marriage_ruling.html

    NJ.comJacobson's ruling represents a victory for gay-rights advocates, although the decision is expected to be appealed: first to an intermediate court, and then to the state Supreme Court.


    Since it's really a state issue, the State Supremes oughta be as far as this baby goes, right?


    The Democratic majority in the NJ legislature have been working on getting some Republicans to side with them to override Christie's veto of the same-sex marriage law, which was passed last year. A few Republicans have already said they support the override, and there were hints that there could be other Republicans who could come over.

    This might be the impetus to pull those stragglers into the override column.
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    Sep 27, 2013 7:55 PM GMT
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    dayumm saidAnnnnnnnnd here comes the appeal (probably)...

    http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/09/nj_superior_court_gay_marriage_ruling.html

    NJ.comJacobson's ruling represents a victory for gay-rights advocates, although the decision is expected to be appealed: first to an intermediate court, and then to the state Supreme Court.


    Since it's really a state issue, the State Supremes oughta be as far as this baby goes, right?


    The Democratic majority in the NJ legislature have been working on getting some Republicans to side with them to override Christie's veto of the same-sex marriage law, which was passed last year. A few Republicans have already said they support the override, and there were hints that there could be other Republicans who could come over.

    This might be the impetus to pull those stragglers into the override column.


    The Repubs who don't like people "legislating from the bench" might actually have a compelling reason to do the legislating themselves now! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sep 28, 2013 1:13 AM GMT
    Christie will appeal this to the state Supreme Court, for sure. His fat ass is already the only thing that stands in the way of marriage equality in New Jersey, as he has vetoed the legislation to allow it. He will continue to fight us tooth and nail to appeal to the republican primary electorate.
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    Sep 28, 2013 1:20 AM GMT
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    Whipmagic saidChristie will appeal this to the state Supreme Court, for sure. His fat ass is already the only thing that stands in the way of marriage equality in New Jersey, as he has vetoed the legislation to allow it. He will continue to fight us tooth and nail to appeal to the republican primary electorate.


    why do folks keep on saying this? christie ain't gonna do it. not when it's too close to election time. he has til october 21th and he's not going to show his ass. not when he has all the liberal votes too. i think the judge did that intentionally too since she could have done that over the summer but chose not to decide right away.


    Because Christie has just issued a statement that he will appeal... Didn't waste a New York minute to say so.

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-new-jersey-court-rules-state-violates-right-of-same-sex-couples-20130927,0,1012612.story
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    Sep 28, 2013 1:23 AM GMT
    Sad part is I think Christie honestly wants gays to marry....It's just he is a Republican and needs to keep up the facade of being primarily Right instead of a good moderate.


    *Sigh*
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    Sep 28, 2013 2:07 AM GMT
    You guys are uninformed. Christie has this issue rigged (like many others including healthcare reform) so that he works both sides of the issue.

    Christie already appointed the first gay judge to the NJ Supreme Court so Christie will appeal the decision to a court that will support gay marriage. Conservatives will like that he fought it, Gays will have marriage.

    Some of you may have heard of Liberal Race Baiting to stir race controversy in a situation where none exists, this subject is an example of Liberal Homophobe Baiting.
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    Sep 28, 2013 5:37 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidYou guys are uninformed. Christie has this issue rigged (like many others including healthcare reform) so that he works both sides of the issue.

    Christie already appointed the first gay judge to the NJ Supreme Court so Christie will appeal the decision to a court that will support gay marriage. Conservatives will like that he fought it, Gays will have marriage.

    Some of you may have heard of Liberal Race Baiting to stir race controversy in a situation where none exists, this subject is an example of Liberal Homophobe Baiting.


    wow i didn't know that. that kind of makes me like christie a little more.

    kind of.
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    Sep 28, 2013 6:05 PM GMT
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    mx5guynj saidYou guys are uninformed. Christie has this issue rigged (like many others including healthcare reform) so that he works both sides of the issue.

    Christie already appointed the first gay judge to the NJ Supreme Court so Christie will appeal the decision to a court that will support gay marriage. Conservatives will like that he fought it, Gays will have marriage.

    Some of you may have heard of Liberal Race Baiting to stir race controversy in a situation where none exists, this subject is an example of Liberal Homophobe Baiting.


    wow i didn't know that. that kind of makes me like christie a little more.

    kind of.


    You're both right! Christie's really in favor of gay marriage, but is a smart enough political mechanic to punt the issue to the courts for approval, while maintaining his appeal to the haters.

    As pure political craftsmanship, it's pretty brilliant. Machiavelli would be proud.
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    Sep 28, 2013 11:00 PM GMT
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    jerseyguy1017 said
    mx5guynj saidYou guys are uninformed. Christie has this issue rigged (like many others including healthcare reform) so that he works both sides of the issue.

    Christie already appointed the first gay judge to the NJ Supreme Court so Christie will appeal the decision to a court that will support gay marriage. Conservatives will like that he fought it, Gays will have marriage.

    Some of you may have heard of Liberal Race Baiting to stir race controversy in a situation where none exists, this subject is an example of Liberal Homophobe Baiting.


    wow i didn't know that. that kind of makes me like christie a little more.

    kind of.


    You're both right! Christie's really in favor of gay marriage, but is a smart enough political mechanic to punt the issue to the courts for approval, while maintaining his appeal to the haters.

    As pure political craftsmanship, it's pretty brilliant. Machiavelli would be proud.


    How are you so sure that Christie is secretly for gay marriage? I judge am a n by his actions, and Christie has been terrible on that front when it comes to our rights.
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    Sep 29, 2013 1:20 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidYou guys are uninformed. Christie has this issue rigged (like many others including healthcare reform) so that he works both sides of the issue.

    Christie already appointed the first gay judge to the NJ Supreme Court so Christie will appeal the decision to a court that will support gay marriage. Conservatives will like that he fought it, Gays will have marriage.

    Some of you may have heard of Liberal Race Baiting to stir race controversy in a situation where none exists, this subject is an example of Liberal Homophobe Baiting.


    What does appointing a gay judge have to do with believing gays have the right to marry? Two different issues.

    I should also add that it's ironic that Christie blasted the Supreme Court's decision that shot down the DOMA, because according to Christie it was an "example of judicial supremacy, rather than having the government run by the people we actually vote for."

    Yet when the government run by the people New Jersey residents voted for passed a measure to allow same-sex marriage in New Jersey, Christie vetoed the bill.

    If Christie secretly wants gays to marry, this is a poorly planned ploy. Why bother? As governor of a blue state where most approve of marriage equality, and in a time in our nation where most Americans are okay with same-sex marriage, pandering to the far right is pointless. He even has likability among some Democrats.

    I could understand if this was the 90s, but not in 2013. Especially for the reasons above.
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    Sep 29, 2013 2:04 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidYou guys are uninformed. Christie has this issue rigged (like many others including healthcare reform) so that he works both sides of the issue.

    Christie already appointed the first gay judge to the NJ Supreme Court so Christie will appeal the decision to a court that will support gay marriage. Conservatives will like that he fought it, Gays will have marriage.

    Some of you may have heard of Liberal Race Baiting to stir race controversy in a situation where none exists, this subject is an example of Liberal Homophobe Baiting.


    BRILLIANT!

    It's like our friends at Westboro Baptist Church with their "God Hates Fags" signs. THEY REALLY LOVE US.

    And Republicans, by attacking gay marriage, are really for gay marriage.

    Thanks, mx5guynj, for explaining Republican thinking.
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    Sep 29, 2013 5:41 PM GMT
    mx5guynj saidYou guys are uninformed. Christie has this issue rigged (like many others including healthcare reform) so that he works both sides of the issue.

    Christie already appointed the first gay judge to the NJ Supreme Court so Christie will appeal the decision to a court that will support gay marriage. Conservatives will like that he fought it, Gays will have marriage.

    Some of you may have heard of Liberal Race Baiting to stir race controversy in a situation where none exists, this subject is an example of Liberal Homophobe Baiting.


    You must be special. How is this "Liberal Homophobe Baiting" if this is Christie's plan all along, according to you? The fact is, Chris Christie vetoed something that was in favor of lgbt rights and has NEVER stated support for same sex marriage. Putting politics above equality IS a form of homophobia. You cannot have it both ways!
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    Sep 29, 2013 6:55 PM GMT
    RadRTT saidSad part is I think Christie honestly wants gays to marry....It's just he is a Republican and needs to keep up the facade of being primarily Right instead of a good moderate.


    *Sigh*


    I feel like this too. As a republican he kinda has to appeal it, but personally I don't think he's against gay marriage. For his political career and legitimacy he has to appeal. Oh well. I think either way, it's gonna be completely legalized despite appeals and everything else.
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    mx5guynj saidYou guys are uninformed. Christie has this issue rigged (like many others including healthcare reform) so that he works both sides of the issue.

    Christie already appointed the first gay judge to the NJ Supreme Court so Christie will appeal the decision to a court that will support gay marriage. Conservatives will like that he fought it, Gays will have marriage.

    Some of you may have heard of Liberal Race Baiting to stir race controversy in a situation where none exists, this subject is an example of Liberal Homophobe Baiting.

    You must be special. How is this "Liberal Homophobe Baiting" if this is Christie's plan all along, according to you? The fact is, Chris Christie vetoed [a law passed by the entire NJ State Legislature] that was in favor of lgbt rights and has NEVER stated support for same sex marriage. Putting politics above equality IS a form of homophobia. You cannot have it both ways!

    +1

    Brilliant reply! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Oct 01, 2013 1:55 AM GMT
    So guys, someone who doesn't support gay marriage is a homophobe???
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    Oct 01, 2013 5:23 AM GMT
    mx5guynj saidSo guys, someone who doesn't support gay marriage is a homophobe???

    Maybe not a homophobe, but repressive and tyrannical at the very least.
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    Oct 10, 2013 9:53 PM GMT
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    mx5guynj saidSo guys, someone who doesn't support gay marriage is a homophobe???

    Maybe not a homophobe, but repressive and tyrannical at the very least.


    So President Obama was repressive and tyrannical until May 2012 when Joe Biden forced him to support Gay marriage.