Testosterone Level Increase

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    Nov 24, 2008 7:10 PM GMT
    Has anyone found any herbs that they supplement their diet with for a boost in TH levels?


  • zakariahzol

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    Nov 24, 2008 10:28 PM GMT
    In Asia this sort of thing is abundant. There all kind of plant, fish , root that suppose to increase testosterone level. Just to name a few, the longjack plant (tongkat ali), mudskipper (yes... the fish) , ginseng , amla fruit, goji, even snake blood and a few other. Most of them dont really have any scientific study to back up their claim.

    I probably should look into this thing myself. Now hitting forty four my sexual desire is not as strong as is when I am younger.
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    Nov 24, 2008 11:13 PM GMT
    Just go to the doctor and have your test tested.

    I know several guys in their late to mid 20's on HRT.

    It's cheaper; it WORKS.
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    Nov 24, 2008 11:38 PM GMT
    zakariahzol said...even snake blood...

    The new snake oil.
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    Nov 24, 2008 11:42 PM GMT
    chuckystud3 saidJust go to the doctor and have your test tested.

    I know several guys in their late to mid 20's on HRT.

    It's cheaper; it WORKS.


    He asked for herbs foo.....not chemicals...

    Doc's do not always have the right answers. I like LONG JACK...you should try it...might save you some money!!!


    CHECK THE URL OUT!!

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/jack.html
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    Nov 24, 2008 11:57 PM GMT
    Logan asked me to point out that none of the "snake oil" is FDA approved.

    My script is 100% FDA approved, and monitored, and...Logan also asked me to point out...that my script (a compounded prescription) is much less expensive ($45.00 monthly), in addition to actually WORKING. From checking the URI that was posted, even if the "supps" were as effective as the real thing, they'd still be way more expensive. From where I come from, that's just plain silly.

    If you wanna' buy that other stuff fine and dandy, but, of course, my point is there is what I feel is a much better alternative, that is cheaper, that prevents disease, that works, that has quality control, that's good for me, and just makes more sense.

    Call me a cheap skate for wanting cheap, good, and good for me.

    I can't imagine the thing even being suggested for estrogen users.
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    Nov 25, 2008 12:01 AM GMT
    chuckystud3 saidLogan asked me to point out that none of the "snake oil" is FDA approved.

    My script is 100% FDA approved, and monitored, and...Logan also asked me to point out...that my script (a compounded prescription) is much less expensive ($45.00 monthly), in addition to actually WORKING.

    If you wanna' buy that other stuff fine and dandy, but, of course, my point is there is what I feel is a much better alternative, that is cheaper, that prevents disease, that works, that has quality control, that's good for me, and just makes more sense.

    Call me a cheap skate for wanting cheap, good, and good for me.

    I can't imagine the thing even being suggested for estrogen users.


    Any side effects?? I am sure you must have some...I have none!!
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    Nov 25, 2008 12:06 AM GMT
    Actually, thanks for asking.

    Since I've been on the HRT, the doctor has thrown all my other meds in THE TRASH.

    It lowered my bp.
    It made me feel better.

    True story.

    Doc LITERALLY threw the other crap (ACE inhib, and CCB) in the trash.

    Time and again, I've seen folks go from feeling like crap to feeling awesome.

    Time, and again, I've spoken with guys in the gym that have benefactors just as I have.

    I've spoken with geriatric docs, young guys, and old guys, who told me have much better they feel, and look after they got on HRT.

    It's good medicine and one of the side effects is being healthy.

    It's an excellent form of disease prevention.

    While the junk in stores has no basis in science (they can pretty much make whatever claims they want) the FDA regulates the stuff I use, and approves the uses,and claims.

    HRT / anti-aging is big business and for good reason: it works. It makes folks healthier.

    Women have long enjoyed the benefits of estrogen therapy. Why it remains taboo to some men, despite it's clear health benefits, is strange.

    Disease prevention is good science.

    Remember: not a single agency recommended that HRT / AAS be controlled. Congress ignored the clear cut science of more than 40 years, and did it anyway.

    It's not by coincidence that androgen remains a treatment of choice for the very worst diseases.

    One of the docs I've spoken at great length with is over in Sun City, AZ, which has a large geriatric population. She (the doc) told me several stories of how HRT completely changed lives.

    I personally have spoken to several folks at the gym with similar stories.

    I've been on HRT for years, and my CMP is awesome, my glocuse is awesome, and my cholesterol is 130.

    Yep...there's some side effects...living longer...having less disease...preventing disease...and enjoying a better quality of life.

    I'm whole-heartedly in support of that for any clear-thinking person.
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    Nov 25, 2008 2:53 AM GMT
    i heard that getting yourself really aroused with porn or something before a workout... and not letting yourself finish... raises testosterone and helps in the workout. like if you do that every day but only actually finish jacking every few days- overall testosterone levels rise. of course, blue-balls could happen too i'd imagine... not quite worth it lol...
    but then that may be erroneous- just passing on something i heard
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    Nov 25, 2008 3:38 AM GMT
    There is some truth to the getting aroused but not finishing. It does result in a testosterone increase. The testosterone decrease from finishing does not last long and in general the more sexually active a person is the higher their testosterone will be within their genetically determined range. It's not a huge enough increase to make any major difference in body composition but it certainly does play a role in maintaining your levels at the higher ends. For that matter even playing a good game of mortal combat or watching a UFC match also results in temporary increases in testosterone.

    The trouble with most of the supplements is that they will cause a biological adaptation, either shutting down the bodies own production or else causing estrogen and testosterone rebounds when the supplement is withdrawn. There are things that do work and work quite well. The question is how much do they work, what is the reason for wanting the increase, and then of course the old cost/benefit analysis. Are you going to get a significant increase to suddenly start adding muscle like Arnold? No. Can they be a good way of keeping your levels in the high normal range? Sure they can. But be very wary, some of these supplements can cause very severe endocrine abnormalities that will take months and months to recover from and could even leave you on permanent HRT. Research! Research! Research! Know what you're putting in your body and why.

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    Nov 25, 2008 3:50 AM GMT
    chuckystud3 saidActually, thanks for asking.

    Since I've been on the HRT, the doctor has thrown all my other meds in THE TRASH.

    It lowered my bp.
    It made me feel better.

    True story.

    Doc LITERALLY threw the other crap (ACE inhib, and CCB) in the trash.

    Time and again, I've seen folks go from feeling like crap to feeling awesome.

    Time, and again, I've spoken with guys in the gym that have benefactors just as I have.

    I've spoken with geriatric docs, young guys, and old guys, who told me have much better they feel, and look after they got on HRT.

    It's good medicine and one of the side effects is being healthy.

    It's an excellent form of disease prevention.

    While the junk in stores has no basis in science (they can pretty much make whatever claims they want) the FDA regulates the stuff I use, and approves the uses,and claims.

    HRT / anti-aging is big business and for good reason: it works. It makes folks healthier.

    Women have long enjoyed the benefits of estrogen therapy. Why it remains taboo to some men, despite it's clear health benefits, is strange.

    Disease prevention is good science.

    Remember: not a single agency recommended that HRT / AAS be controlled. Congress ignored the clear cut science of more than 40 years, and did it anyway.

    It's not by coincidence that androgen remains a treatment of choice for the very worst diseases.

    One of the docs I've spoken at great length with is over in Sun City, AZ, which has a large geriatric population. She (the doc) told me several stories of how HRT completely changed lives.

    I personally have spoken to several folks at the gym with similar stories.

    I've been on HRT for years, and my CMP is awesome, my glocuse is awesome, and my cholesterol is 130.

    Yep...there's some side effects...living longer...having less disease...preventing disease...and enjoying a better quality of life.

    I'm whole-heartedly in support of that for any clear-thinking person.



    Good for you and the many who really need it. I know that it has helped people with HIV tremendously and others like your friend who have diabetes. I also know that it has helped my Uncle who would be dead with out HRT. He's 80 and has many health issues. I think it can and obviously has some importance. I am just glad I don't need it...if and when I do I might consider it.

    As for the junk you mention...well, ZMA is good stuff and it works well for me. I take Longjack (Eurycoma Longifolia Jack / Tongkat Ali) It works for me. There are other things I use, but mostly I find good living, healthy diet, good exercise program...not necessarily the gym either, all is beneficial to me.

    I am not pro your chemical treatment for any who really don't need it...are you thinking most should take it irregardless??

    If so, I would disagree!!
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    Nov 25, 2008 4:01 AM GMT
    Purely empirically, guys that take steroids start to look weird. Bone builds up in the supraorbital ridge, and internal organs grow. Arnold warns against taking steroids.
    Similar to people who get face lifts and get face liftsjuicers don't see what freaks they are becoming.
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    Nov 25, 2008 4:12 AM GMT
    It is not relevant to state that herbs are "not approved" by the FDA, because they are not regulated by the FDA. Foods, herbs, and other plants have various effects on the body, and there is nothing wrong with asking if some improve levels. For example, if you are a vegetarian and believe that the soy you eat slightly desreases your testosterone or otherwise changes your homormonal balance, it makes sense to look for other foods which might have the opposite effect-- at least as much sense as taking a prescription.

    Tribulus terrestris is one example of a plant/herb that may be useful.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribulus_terrestris

    I have taken a brand sold at GNC during periods when I wanted to lean up, and did not experience any negative side effects.

    The effectiveness of tribulus in increasing levels is not well tested. It is relatively inexpensive, or even free if you grow it yourself.

    http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Tribulus+terrestris
    http://www.tribuluseffects.com

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    Nov 25, 2008 6:13 AM GMT
    Alpha13 saidPurely empirically, guys that take steroids start to look weird. Bone builds up in the supraorbital ridge, and internal organs grow. Arnold warns against taking steroids.
    Similar to people who get face lifts and get face liftsjuicers don't see what freaks they are becoming.


    I know...but they want us to take what they have as gospel....


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    Nov 25, 2008 6:16 AM GMT
    tanktop saidIt is not relevant to state that herbs are "not approved" by the FDA, because they are not regulated by the FDA. Foods, herbs, and other plants have various effects on the body, and there is nothing wrong with asking if some improve levels. For example, if you are a vegetarian and believe that the soy you eat slightly desreases your testosterone or otherwise changes your homormonal balance, it makes sense to look for other foods which might have the opposite effect-- at least as much sense as taking a prescription.

    Tribulus terrestris is one example of a plant/herb that may be useful.

    I like this and other's. Now, it's not injection or chemical. It's natural and less hard on the body. I just make sure it's impact is not bad. I take or have taken things like this at times.....

    So maybe I am a walking guinea pig...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribulus_terrestris

    I have taken a brand sold at GNC during periods when I wanted to lean up, and did not experience any negative side effects.

    The effectiveness of tribulus in increasing levels is not well tested. It is relatively inexpensive, or even free if you grow it yourself.

    http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Tribulus+terrestris
    http://www.tribuluseffects.com

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    Nov 25, 2008 7:48 AM GMT
    low testosterone in men is alot lower than some on here would lead you to believe. In 2002-2006 1486 men tetsed in a Boston study only 87 had low levels- most were in lower economic groups. Poor nutrition and no regular health care.. A few guys on here are just looking to justify theor steroid use. Get tested chances are you're not. Keep us posted.
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    Nov 25, 2008 8:46 AM GMT
    getting tested was an interesting idea that I never thought about...


    I've been on a special 500 cal diet for 1.5 months where I lost most of my muscle. I've also lost hair due to poor nutrition. The diet was to test for food allergies and also reshape my body in different ways, but anyway I feel like my Th levels have decreased, as the fat that I am gaining is going on my hips and butt, which to me feels as if its estrogen directed (just intuitively speaking).


    I've started taking vitamins and getting good nutrition so I'm hoping things go back to normal, but a Th test should be helpful. Thanks to those who are responding, any idea helps, which is why this forum is often very useful.

    Andre