Ten states where Obamacare wipes out existing health care plans

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    Sep 30, 2013 6:03 PM GMT
    Don't blame the messenger.

    President Barack Obama famously promised, “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.” He later got even more specific.

    But as Obamacare’s rollout approaches, we have learned this is not true. Here are the ten states where consumers may like their health care plans, but they won’t be able to keep them.

    1) California: 58,000 will lose their plans under Obamacare. The first bomb dropped in California with a mass exodus from the most populated state’s Obamacare exchange. Aetna, the country’s largest insurer, left first in July and was closely followed by UnitedHealth. Anthem Blue Cross pulled out of California’s Obamacare exchange for small businesses as well.

    Fifty-four percent of Californians expect to lose their coverage, according to an August poll.

    2) Missouri: Patients of the state’s largest hospital system — which spans 13 hospitals including the St. Louis Children’s Hospital — will not be covered by the largest insurer on Obamacare exchanges, Anthem BlueCross BlueShield. Anthem covers 79,000 patients in Missouri who may seek subsidies on Obamacare exchanges, but won’t be able to see any doctors in the BJC HealthCare system.

    3) Connecticut: Aetna, the third largest insurer in the nation, won’t offer insurance on the Obamacare exchange in its own home state, where it was founded in 1850. The reason? “We believe the modification to the rates filed by Aetna will not allow us to collect enough premiums to cover the cost of the plans and meet the service expectations of our customers,” said Aetna spokesman Susan Millerick.

    4) Maryland: 13,000 individuals covered by Aetna and its recently-purchased Coventry Health Care won’t be able to keep their insurance plans if they want Obamacare subsidies on the exchanges. Aetna and Coventry canceled plans to offer insurance in the exchange when state officials wouldn’t allow them to charge premiums high enough to cover costs.

    5) South Carolina: 28,000 people were insured by Medical Mutual of Ohio, SC’s second-largest insurance company, until it decided to leave the state entirely in July due to Obamacare’s “vast and quite complex” new regulations. Company spokesman Ed Byers said Medical Mutual’s patients would be switched over to United Healthcare plans instead.

    6) New York: Aetna pulled out of New York’s exchange in late August in an effort to keep their plans “financially viable,” said Aetna spokeswoman Cynthia Michener.

    7) New Jersey: 1.1 million Aetna customers are at risk in New Jersey, where the leading insurer also won’t be a part of the exchange. Just 2,600 patients purchase individual plans with the company, but any looking to take advantage of subsidies on the exchange for unaffordable employer-based insurance won’t be able to do with Aetna.

    icon_cool.gifIowa: Wellmark Blue Cross and Blue Shield, Iowa’s largest health insurer, decided not to offer plans in the Obamacare exchange. It sells 86 percent of Iowa’s individual health insurance plans.

    9) Wisconsin: Two of the three largest insurers in the state won’t offer plans on the exchange. United Healthcare and Humana patients will have to get a new health insurer to buy insurance on Obamacare exchanges.

    10) Georgia: Just five insurers are participating in Georgia’s Obamacare exchange. Medical Mutual of Ohio left Georgia and Indiana as well as South Carolina, due to Obamacare regulations. Aetna, along with Coventry, also decided against participating in the George health exchange.


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    Sep 30, 2013 6:18 PM GMT
    Sadly, no one cares. Pie in the sky speeches are all that matter.
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    Sep 30, 2013 8:07 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidSadly, no one cares. Pie in the sky speeches are all that matter.


    Yeah, people won't realize this until it hits them on the head like a ton of bricks.
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    Sep 30, 2013 8:35 PM GMT
    franktats said
    Blakes7 saidSadly, no one cares. Pie in the sky speeches are all that matter.


    Yeah, people won't realize this until it hits them on the head like a ton of bricks.

    To be fair there is a sizable group about 10-15% of the population who will end up getting free or low cost insurance.

    What the insurance is worth is another story. Because unless the repeal the constitution you cannot make someone work and take someones business.

    Already within the medical societies people are worrying if the law collapses there will be an "emergency order" doing just that. Requiring a provider to take a health plan. It would be totally unenforceable and of course illegal.

    The rest of the country has to really learn its lesson, as usual in life you do not appreciate something until it is gone or nearly gone.

    There are many ways this could have been accomplished without causing the civil war level vitriol. We could have spun off willing states into Obamacare and other states with the alternative plans and see what works the best. Now we have a worse mess than we started. With the same or worse level of handouts and special favors going to big corporations.


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    Sep 30, 2013 8:57 PM GMT
    failscarf said
    musclmed said
    franktats said
    Blakes7 saidSadly, no one cares. Pie in the sky speeches are all that matter.


    Yeah, people won't realize this until it hits them on the head like a ton of bricks.

    To be fair there is a sizable group about 10-15% of the population who will end up getting free or low cost insurance.

    What the insurance is worth is another story. Because unless the repeal the constitution you cannot make someone work and take someones business.

    Already within the medical societies people are worrying if the law collapses there will be an "emergency order" doing just that. Requiring a provider to take a health plan. It would be totally unenforceable and of course illegal.

    The rest of the country has to really learn its lesson, as usual in life you do not appreciate something until it is gone or nearly gone.

    There are many ways this could have been accomplished without causing the civil war level vitriol. We could have spun off willing states into Obamacare and other states with the alternative plans and see what works the best. Now we have a worse mess than we started. With the same or worse level of handouts and special favors going to big corporations.


    Welp. Other people should have chimed in louder.


    The bill is the first entitlement that passed without at least some bipartisan support.

    Its very clear who owns and crafted the bill. No one can claim that it is anything but a democrat party bill.
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    Sep 30, 2013 9:13 PM GMT
    failscarf said
    musclmed said
    failscarf said
    musclmed said
    franktats said
    Blakes7 saidSadly, no one cares. Pie in the sky speeches are all that matter.


    Yeah, people won't realize this until it hits them on the head like a ton of bricks.

    To be fair there is a sizable group about 10-15% of the population who will end up getting free or low cost insurance.

    What the insurance is worth is another story. Because unless the repeal the constitution you cannot make someone work and take someones business.

    Already within the medical societies people are worrying if the law collapses there will be an "emergency order" doing just that. Requiring a provider to take a health plan. It would be totally unenforceable and of course illegal.

    The rest of the country has to really learn its lesson, as usual in life you do not appreciate something until it is gone or nearly gone.

    There are many ways this could have been accomplished without causing the civil war level vitriol. We could have spun off willing states into Obamacare and other states with the alternative plans and see what works the best. Now we have a worse mess than we started. With the same or worse level of handouts and special favors going to big corporations.


    Welp. Other people should have chimed in louder.


    The bill is the first entitlement that passed without at least some bipartisan support.

    Its very clear who owns and crafted the bill. No one can claim that it is anything but a democrat party bill.


    Welp. Other people should have chimed in louder.
    And nice touch calling millions of Americans with the unattainable position to afford health care on their own....."entitlement".
    I recommend starting a campaign to run that line during the superbowl commercials. See how far that gets you.


    I am sorry you do not understand what "entitlment" is. Its a general description to programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security and now the Affordable care act.

    Welp. Other people should have chimed in louder?
    You said that for the 2nd time . .... Recheck that-------

    In addition I dont think you understand how the United States government works.

    Almost everything is on the table. There are no permanent provisions except the constitution.
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    Sep 30, 2013 9:24 PM GMT

    Failscarf, I'm impressed.

    "And nice touch calling millions of Americans with the unattainable position to afford health care on their own....."entitlement"."

    *bows*
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    Sep 30, 2013 9:30 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Failscarf, I'm impressed.

    "And nice touch calling millions of Americans with the unattainable position to afford health care on their own....."entitlement"."

    *bows*


    I dont expect you to have an understanding of the word , and what it means in policy discussion.

    Thanks chuckle patch.
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    meninlove said
    Failscarf, I'm impressed.

    "And nice touch calling millions of Americans with the unattainable position to afford health care on their own....."entitlement"."

    *bows*


    I dont expect you to have an understanding of the word , and what it means in policy discussion.

    Thanks chuckle patch.


    I very well understand the word, and how it is being used by The Right as an epithet to infer people are getting something they don't deserve. icon_lol.gif
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    Sep 30, 2013 9:40 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    musclmed said
    meninlove said
    Failscarf, I'm impressed.

    "And nice touch calling millions of Americans with the unattainable position to afford health care on their own....."entitlement"."

    *bows*


    I dont expect you to have an understanding of the word , and what it means in policy discussion.

    Thanks chuckle patch.


    I very well understand the word, and how it is being used by The Right as an epithet to infer people are getting something they don't deserve. icon_lol.gif



    Well there it is, "deserve". No one deserves a thing. You can think whatever you want north of the border. It doesn't change how the constitution works. The rights are spelled out there. And the constitution constrains the government in its powers given by the people.
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    franktats said
    Blakes7 saidSadly, no one cares. Pie in the sky speeches are all that matter.


    Yeah, people won't realize this until it hits them on the head like a ton of bricks.


    Duly noted but Republicans will get the blame as always so it evens out.
    The right should have had better ideas.


    I agree with this.
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    Sep 30, 2013 10:59 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    musclmed said
    meninlove said
    Failscarf, I'm impressed.

    "And nice touch calling millions of Americans with the unattainable position to afford health care on their own....."entitlement"."

    *bows*


    I dont expect you to have an understanding of the word , and what it means in policy discussion.

    Thanks chuckle patch.


    I very well understand the word, and how it is being used by The Right as an epithet to infer people are getting something they don't deserve. icon_lol.gif


    How does one "deserve" that which belongs to someone else?
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    Oct 01, 2013 12:52 AM GMT
    Blakes7 said
    meninlove said
    musclmed said
    meninlove said
    Failscarf, I'm impressed.

    "And nice touch calling millions of Americans with the unattainable position to afford health care on their own....."entitlement"."

    *bows*


    I dont expect you to have an understanding of the word , and what it means in policy discussion.

    Thanks chuckle patch.


    I very well understand the word, and how it is being used by The Right as an epithet to infer people are getting something they don't deserve. icon_lol.gif


    How does one "deserve" that which belongs to someone else?


    Because the liberals say so.