Comparing Biking in the Netherlands to the U.S.

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    Oct 01, 2013 1:01 AM GMT

    I wish our city and street planners would watch this video. He's so right.
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    Oct 01, 2013 1:05 AM GMT
    Can you get an American out of his car?
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    Oct 01, 2013 1:11 AM GMT
    outbackdude saidCan you get an American out of his car?


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    There are actually a lot of people who care, it just depends on what city you're in. There are bikers everywhere in my town. Most of the French Quarter residents don't even own a car and walk or bike everywhere. They just installed bike lanes on my street which took about 2 years in the making. However there are other parts of the city that you're literally risking your life to ride a bike on. I feel much safer with the new bike lanes, but I would much prefer if they had it on the outside of the parked cars like they showed in the video. We now have pedicabs that are competing fiercely with the taxicabs. They're everywhere and I'm pretty sure they outnumber automobile taxicabs at this point. The pedicabs are great fun to me for some reason. I find them very romantic at night.

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    Oct 01, 2013 5:38 AM GMT
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    Well- perhaps speak for yourself.

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    Oct 01, 2013 5:44 AM GMT
    New York has Citi Bikes all over the place

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    Oct 01, 2013 6:54 AM GMT
    I saw this earlier and my response here will be similar to what I said to a friend of mine.

    First of all, most of North America is WAY too spread out to properly support cycling, especially as a form of commuting. We have tons of small towns separated by large distances with no public transit access because the population density is too low to support it. A corollary of that is that bike lanes on highways are too dangerous (bicycles should never be on major highways). The only cities that can pull off supporting cycling are dense (or small) ones like NYC, Vancouver, Seattle, San Francisco, and other cities like that. It's a silly idea to have to travel long distances on a bicycle like you would in Houston, Calgary, or Edmonton for example.

    Second, much of North America is TOO DAMN COLD or suffers from too many temperature extremes to encourage cycling. Very few people (cyclists included except for the most hardcore) would want to cycle to work in -25C weather with snow and ice all over, or in Houston in July from the suburbs. Nor would cyclists like to spend their time slogging through the spring slush and be covered in mud before work.

    We'd have to totally restructure our infrastructure, and then the money would probably go to public transit because it benefits more people more easily.
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    Oct 01, 2013 7:17 AM GMT
    I'm not biking in Vancouver cause it's too rainy, too hilly, too warm and humid for me. And there's way too many dangerously incompetent mototrists around.

    I grew up in Holland and biking there just happens with a different state of mind on very different infrastructure.

    And over here I'm always freaked out by the amount of cyclists on highway 99 to Whistler that don't ride single file, never mind that biking on the highway is just a really bad idea in general.
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    Oct 01, 2013 7:54 AM GMT
    somersault saidNew York has Citi Bikes all over the place

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    Montreal has had those for about 5 years. Toronto about 2 years

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    Oct 01, 2013 9:12 AM GMT
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    outbackdude saidCan you get an American out of his car?


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    +1 LOL icon_lol.gif, Not in Los Angeles for sure!
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    Oct 01, 2013 9:24 AM GMT
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    There are actually a lot of people who care, it just depends on what city you're in. There are bikers everywhere in my town. Most of the French Quarter residents don't even own a car and walk or bike everywhere. They just installed bike lanes on my street which took about 2 years in the making. However there are other parts of the city that you're literally risking your life to ride a bike on. I feel much safer with the new bike lanes, but I would much prefer if they had it on the outside of the parked cars like they showed in the video. We now have pedicabs that are competing fiercely with the taxicabs. They're everywhere and I'm pretty sure they outnumber automobile taxicabs at this point. The pedicabs are great fun to me for some reason. I find them very romantic at night.

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    I've riden in this guy's cab before. Real sweet guy.

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    SORRY I was LOL at the original image Ravensong posted up! It was kinda FUNNY! But on a serious note, I witnessed about 3 bike accidents, 1 in the bay area and 2 in Los Angeles, both involved bike lanes vs car riders. My ex, before I met him, was hit in San Francisco's market street riding his bike by some asshole who did a hit and run. He had surgery in his right hand and permanently had some metal strap in there! Anyway, just be careful riding in New Orleans buddy, don't become another statistic.
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    Oct 01, 2013 11:50 AM GMT
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    somersault saidNew York has Citi Bikes all over the place

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    Montreal has had those for about 5 years. Toronto about 2 years


    Believe it or not we have them in Houston too.
    Houston being flat as a pancake is in one way ideal for biking, except that it's so hot and humid you need an immediate shower when you get where you're going.
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    Oct 01, 2013 1:28 PM GMT
    somersault saidNew York has Citi Bikes all over the place

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    Wonderful for cyclists. Terrible for anyone driving.

    NYC needs a registration and training program for riding bikes. Bad enough to have to play Tetris with pedestrians but cyclists zooming down the roadside at full speed is even worse.

    I've noticed the city even has cyclist stop/go lights but none of the cyclists seem to bother with obeying these devices.
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    Oct 01, 2013 1:47 PM GMT
    somersault saidNew York has Citi Bikes all over the place

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    I know Paris and Barcelona have something similar and take advantage of it when there.
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    somersault saidNew York has Citi Bikes all over the place

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    Wonderful for cyclists. Terrible for anyone driving.

    NYC needs a registration and training program for riding bikes. Bad enough to have to play Tetris with pedestrians but cyclists zooming down the roadside at full speed is even worse.

    I've noticed the city even has cyclist stop/go lights but none of the cyclists seem to bother with obeying these devices.


    then stay in Jersey
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    Oct 01, 2013 2:31 PM GMT
    somersault said
    then stay in Jersey


    Brilliant comeback.
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    somersault said
    then stay in Jersey


    Brilliant comeback.


    typical Jersey fool complaining about the city yet always going there lol
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    Oct 01, 2013 2:47 PM GMT
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    typical Jersey fool complaining about the city yet always going there lol


    I moved here 3 weeks ago from Connecticut but you wouldn't know that since you are just a troll using stereotypes.
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    Oct 01, 2013 2:49 PM GMT
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    typical Jersey fool complaining about the city yet always going there lol


    I moved here 3 weeks ago from Connecticut but you wouldn't know that since you are just a troll using stereotypes.


    lol typical tri-state, non-NYC resident complaining about the city yet always going there
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    Oct 01, 2013 3:07 PM GMT
    SeismicMuscle saidI saw this earlier and my response here will be similar to what I said to a friend of mine.

    First of all, most of North America is WAY too spread out to properly support cycling, especially as a form of commuting. We have tons of small towns separated by large distances with no public transit access because the population density is too low to support it. A corollary of that is that bike lanes on highways are too dangerous (bicycles should never be on major highways). The only cities that can pull off supporting cycling are dense (or small) ones like NYC, Vancouver, Seattle, San Francisco, and other cities like that. It's a silly idea to have to travel long distances on a bicycle like you would in Houston, Calgary, or Edmonton for example.

    Second, much of North America is TOO DAMN COLD or suffers from too many temperature extremes to encourage cycling. Very few people (cyclists included except for the most hardcore) would want to cycle to work in -25C weather with snow and ice all over, or in Houston in July from the suburbs. Nor would cyclists like to spend their time slogging through the spring slush and be covered in mud before work.

    We'd have to totally restructure our infrastructure, and then the money would probably go to public transit because it benefits more people more easily.


    I don't think anyone is suggesting focusing intense efforts on tiny towns or the highways connecting them.

    But as for commuting, its something every large city can benefit from. I don't know about American statistics, but the vast majority of Canadians live in urban centres where infrastructure would be useful. Bike lanes are much cheaper to build than subways and for every car off the road, that relieves the infrastructure investment on expensive roads as well. How spread out North America is is irrelevant. No one is suggesting we bike from Toronto to Vancouver. Cycling in Toronto is common right up through December since we rarely get days below 0 or snow until late Dec. By late march, the situation is the same again. And there are many days spotted between those 2 with days about 10 degrees and no snow remaining. When I ride in the cold, I Put on some gloves and a jacket like I would if I was walking outside in the cold - its not hard to do.

    Either way even in our anti-cycling culture, its moving ahead because governments can't afford to feed the automobile addiction anymore. Even public transit is too expensive to invest in. So you'll find even in Toronto under mayor rob ford cycling infrastructure is moving forward and new plans are in the works.

    Even the provincial government as a whole has come out with a new strategy to promote infrastructure in cities and get people cycling. It wants to see Ontario as a premier cycling destination in the not so distant future.

    edit: and ground just broke last month on Toronto's first velodrome after years of debate.
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    Oct 01, 2013 4:08 PM GMT
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    There are actually a lot of people who care, it just depends on what city you're in. There are bikers everywhere in my town. Most of the French Quarter residents don't even own a car and walk or bike everywhere. They just installed bike lanes on my street which took about 2 years in the making. However there are other parts of the city that you're literally risking your life to ride a bike on. I feel much safer with the new bike lanes, but I would much prefer if they had it on the outside of the parked cars like they showed in the video. We now have pedicabs that are competing fiercely with the taxicabs. They're everywhere and I'm pretty sure they outnumber automobile taxicabs at this point. The pedicabs are great fun to me for some reason. I find them very romantic at night.

    Lynch-600.jpg
    I've riden in this guy's cab before. Real sweet guy.

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    SORRY I was LOL at the original image Ravensong posted up! It was kinda FUNNY! But on a serious note, I witnessed about 3 bike accidents, 1 in the bay area and 2 in Los Angeles, both involved bike lanes vs car riders. My ex, before I met him, was hit in San Francisco's market street riding his bike by some asshole who did a hit and run. He had surgery in his right hand and permanently had some metal strap in there! Anyway, just be careful riding in New Orleans buddy, don't become another statistic.


    I live in the French Quarter and I can tell you that if a bike rider is injured it's most probably his own fault. Bike riders are supposed to follow the same rules of the road that motorists are suppose to follow.

    Bikers are suppose to stop at stop signs and red lights. (They NEVER do in the Quarter.)

    Bikers are suppose to travel in the same direction as autos (can't tell you how many times cyclists ride up the wrong way on a one way street (which most are in the Quarter)

    Bikers are suppose to WALK their bikes through pedestrian malls. A few streets in the Quarter are closed to vehicular traffic during certain times of the day. Cyclist ignore the vehicle prohibition with impunity.

    Don't get me wrong I'm all in support of people cycling; I'm a cyclist too, but I find most cyclist are just as inconsiderate and reckless as car drivers.

    P.S. The Quarter pedicab guys are super adorable and many are gay. I walk my dog two or three times a day to scope them out and chat!
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    There are actually a lot of people who care, it just depends on what city you're in. There are bikers everywhere in my town. Most of the French Quarter residents don't even own a car and walk or bike everywhere. They just installed bike lanes on my street which took about 2 years in the making. However there are other parts of the city that you're literally risking your life to ride a bike on. I feel much safer with the new bike lanes, but I would much prefer if they had it on the outside of the parked cars like they showed in the video. We now have pedicabs that are competing fiercely with the taxicabs. They're everywhere and I'm pretty sure they outnumber automobile taxicabs at this point. The pedicabs are great fun to me for some reason. I find them very romantic at night.

    Lynch-600.jpg
    I've riden in this guy's cab before. Real sweet guy.

    slider_fleet.jpg


    SORRY I was LOL at the original image Ravensong posted up! It was kinda FUNNY! But on a serious note, I witnessed about 3 bike accidents, 1 in the bay area and 2 in Los Angeles, both involved bike lanes vs car riders. My ex, before I met him, was hit in San Francisco's market street riding his bike by some asshole who did a hit and run. He had surgery in his right hand and permanently had some metal strap in there! Anyway, just be careful riding in New Orleans buddy, don't become another statistic.


    I live in the French Quarter and I can tell you that if a bike rider is injured it's most probably his own fault. Bike riders are supposed to follow the same rules of the road that motorists are suppose to follow.

    Bikers are suppose to stop at stop signs and red lights. (They NEVER do in the Quarter.)

    Bikers are suppose to travel in the same direction as autos (can't tell you how many times cyclists ride up the wrong way on a one way street (which most are in the Quarter)

    Bikers are suppose to WALK their bikes through pedestrian malls. A few streets in the Quarter are closed to vehicular traffic during certain times of the day. Cyclist ignore the vehicle prohibition with impunity.

    Don't get me wrong I'm all in support of people cycling; I'm a cyclist too, but I find most cyclist are just as inconsiderate and reckless as car drivers.

    P.S. The Quarter pedicab guys are super adorable and many are gay. I walk my dog two or three times a day to scope them out and chat!



    Yeah, just yesterday I almost slaughtered this dude on a bike. He was flying down the wrong way at an intersection (by Matassas.) I missed him by inches. I blew my horn in anger, then he flipped me off without even looking back.

    Those pedicabs dudes are so hot with their tattoos and bushy beards, and many of them are flirty.
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    I live in the French Quarter and I can tell you that if a bike rider is injured it's most probably his own fault. Bike riders are supposed to follow the same rules of the road that motorists are suppose to follow.

    Bikers are suppose to stop at stop signs and red lights. (They NEVER do in the Quarter.)

    Bikers are suppose to travel in the same direction as autos (can't tell you how many times cyclists ride up the wrong way on a one way street (which most are in the Quarter)

    Bikers are suppose to WALK their bikes through pedestrian malls. A few streets in the Quarter are closed to vehicular traffic during certain times of the day. Cyclist ignore the vehicle prohibition with impunity.

    Don't get me wrong I'm all in support of people cycling; I'm a cyclist too, but I find most cyclist are just as inconsiderate and reckless as car drivers.

    P.S. The Quarter pedicab guys are super adorable and many are gay. I walk my dog two or three times a day to scope them out and chat!


    Its true actually. Commuter/recreational cyclists are more of a terror than motorists. As a driver or even another cyclist, you can't predict their travel. Police need to crack down on cyclists running red lights for sure. Wrong way on streets as well.

    A lot of commuter cyclists need to be educated as well about even changing lanes in bike paths. They almost never look over their shoulders and are just absurdly reckless.
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    Oct 01, 2013 5:07 PM GMT
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    outbackdude saidCan you get an American out of his car?


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    +1 LOL icon_lol.gif, Not in Los Angeles for sure!


    Actually, LA has some of the best urban biking terrain in all of the US -- mostly because we have relatively flat land and we have the good weather all the time.

    What we have in abundance which counteracts this: really crappy roads and horrible drivers.