Thanks Democrats For "Shutting Down" The Government

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    Oct 01, 2013 1:53 PM GMT
    1) The government isn't "shut down" - welfare and entitlement checks are still being printed and mailed out as usual

    2) I am one of those who is currently furloughed

    3) The House (Republicans) passed several CR bills just in the past few days that completely fund the government, with the exception of Obamacare. Harry Reid (DEMOCRAT) who controls the Senate has held the entire U.S. government hostage because he doesn't want any changes to the Obamacare law. Harry Reid has "shut down" the government.
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    Oct 01, 2013 2:35 PM GMT
    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.):

    “This time the House has attached a poison pill that would punish 16,000 congressional staff,”

    Really Harry? "Punish" congressional staff? What about the millions of mere mortals who are now subject to the individual mandate? I guess "punish" depends on who you are. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 01, 2013 2:42 PM GMT
    franktats saidSenate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.):

    “This time the House has attached a poison pill that would punish 16,000 congressional staff,”

    Really Harry? "Punish" congressional staff? What about the millions of mere mortals who are now subject to the individual mandate? I guess "punish" depends on who you are. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Most people with full time jobs get their health insurance subsidized by their employer.
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    Oct 01, 2013 2:44 PM GMT
    franktats said1) The government isn't "shut down" - welfare and entitlement checks are still being printed and mailed out as usual

    2) I am one of those who is currently furloughed

    3) The House (Republicans) passed several CR bills just in the past few days that completely fund the government, with the exception of Obamacare. Harry Reid (DEMOCRAT) who controls the Senate has held the entire U.S. government hostage because he doesn't want any changes to the Obamacare law. Harry Reid has "shut down" the government.

    The Senate has passed just as many CR bills in the past few days.
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    Oct 01, 2013 4:12 PM GMT
    Philibuster said
    franktats said1) The government isn't "shut down" - welfare and entitlement checks are still being printed and mailed out as usual

    2) I am one of those who is currently furloughed

    3) The House (Republicans) passed several CR bills just in the past few days that completely fund the government, with the exception of Obamacare. Harry Reid (DEMOCRAT) who controls the Senate has held the entire U.S. government hostage because he doesn't want any changes to the Obamacare law. Harry Reid has "shut down" the government.

    The Senate has passed just as many CR bills in the past few days.


    Spending bills must originate in the House.
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    Oct 01, 2013 5:02 PM GMT
    franktats said1) The government isn't "shut down" - welfare and entitlement checks are still being printed and mailed out as usual

    2) I am one of those who is currently furloughed

    3) The House (Republicans) passed several CR bills just in the past few days that completely fund the government, with the exception of Obamacare. Harry Reid (DEMOCRAT) who controls the Senate has held the entire U.S. government hostage because he doesn't want any changes to the Obamacare law. Harry Reid has "shut down" the government.





    Boy your head is very deep in john boehner's ass!
    The last "continuing resolution" passed did in fact cut welfare and entitlements. Cut funding to student aid and cost many "low level" jobs. john boehner was behind that one too, not that you remembered. Its your Republicans that have cost your furlough, played easily with your money just so they can "prove a point".
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    Oct 01, 2013 5:04 PM GMT
    Tx_Bull said
    franktats said1) The government isn't "shut down" - welfare and entitlement checks are still being printed and mailed out as usual

    2) I am one of those who is currently furloughed

    3) The House (Republicans) passed several CR bills just in the past few days that completely fund the government, with the exception of Obamacare. Harry Reid (DEMOCRAT) who controls the Senate has held the entire U.S. government hostage because he doesn't want any changes to the Obamacare law. Harry Reid has "shut down" the government.





    Boy your head is very deep in john boehner's ass!
    The last "continuing resolution" passed did in fact cut welfare and entitlements. Cut funding to student aid and cost many "low level" jobs. john boehner was behind that one too, not that you remembered. Its your Republicans that have cost your furlough, played easily with your money just so they can "prove a point".


    Incorrect. It was clean, with the exception of Obamacare.

    BTW, I would like to go on record here as saying that I think that they should just let Obamacare move forward. Americans overwhelmingly hate it and it's going to collapse on it's own anyway.
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    Oct 01, 2013 5:09 PM GMT
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    Tx_Bull said
    franktats said1) The government isn't "shut down" - welfare and entitlement checks are still being printed and mailed out as usual

    2) I am one of those who is currently furloughed

    3) The House (Republicans) passed several CR bills just in the past few days that completely fund the government, with the exception of Obamacare. Harry Reid (DEMOCRAT) who controls the Senate has held the entire U.S. government hostage because he doesn't want any changes to the Obamacare law. Harry Reid has "shut down" the government.





    Boy your head is very deep in john boehner's ass!
    The last "continuing resolution" passed did in fact cut welfare and entitlements. Cut funding to student aid and cost many "low level" jobs. john boehner was behind that one too, not that you remembered. Its your Republicans that have cost your furlough, played easily with your money just so they can "prove a point".


    Incorrect. It was clean, with the exception of Obamacare.

    BTW, I would like to go on record here as saying that I think that they should just let Obamacare move forward. Americans overwhelmingly hate it and it's going to collapse on it's own anyway.

    Yeah, did the KoolAid you drank damage all other thought processes? If republicans really though the ACA would fall on its face, they would not waste all their days trying to tear it apart. No, they know it will be another program that actually helps people and people do this thing called voting. The teabaggers have done everything they could to give Obamacare a black eye and in some ways they have succeeded, but in the end, like Social Security before it, massive amounts of voters will end up loving the program and the republicans will spend years in defeat because they thought sticking up for faceless corporations was a brilliant strategy.
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    Oct 01, 2013 5:11 PM GMT
    smartmoney said
    franktats said
    Tx_Bull said
    franktats said1) The government isn't "shut down" - welfare and entitlement checks are still being printed and mailed out as usual

    2) I am one of those who is currently furloughed

    3) The House (Republicans) passed several CR bills just in the past few days that completely fund the government, with the exception of Obamacare. Harry Reid (DEMOCRAT) who controls the Senate has held the entire U.S. government hostage because he doesn't want any changes to the Obamacare law. Harry Reid has "shut down" the government.





    Boy your head is very deep in john boehner's ass!
    The last "continuing resolution" passed did in fact cut welfare and entitlements. Cut funding to student aid and cost many "low level" jobs. john boehner was behind that one too, not that you remembered. Its your Republicans that have cost your furlough, played easily with your money just so they can "prove a point".


    Incorrect. It was clean, with the exception of Obamacare.

    BTW, I would like to go on record here as saying that I think that they should just let Obamacare move forward. Americans overwhelmingly hate it and it's going to collapse on it's own anyway.

    Yeah, did the KoolAid you drank damage all other thought processes? If republicans really though the ACA would fall on its face, they would not waste all their days trying to tear it apart. No, they know it will be another program that actually helps people and people do this thing called voting. The teabaggers have done everything they could to give Obamacare a black eye and in some ways they have succeeded, but in the end, like Social Security before it, massive amounts of voters will end up loving the program and the republicans will spend years in defeat because they thought sticking up for faceless corporations was a brilliant strategy.


    Spoken like a true, hateful liberal, starting out with a personal attack. So much anger and frustration in your life. Poor thing.
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    Oct 01, 2013 5:19 PM GMT
    franktats said
    smartmoney said
    franktats said
    Tx_Bull said
    franktats said1) The government isn't "shut down" - welfare and entitlement checks are still being printed and mailed out as usual

    2) I am one of those who is currently furloughed

    3) The House (Republicans) passed several CR bills just in the past few days that completely fund the government, with the exception of Obamacare. Harry Reid (DEMOCRAT) who controls the Senate has held the entire U.S. government hostage because he doesn't want any changes to the Obamacare law. Harry Reid has "shut down" the government.

    Boy your head is very deep in john boehner's ass!
    The last "continuing resolution" passed did in fact cut welfare and entitlements. Cut funding to student aid and cost many "low level" jobs. john boehner was behind that one too, not that you remembered. Its your Republicans that have cost your furlough, played easily with your money just so they can "prove a point".


    Incorrect. It was clean, with the exception of Obamacare.

    BTW, I would like to go on record here as saying that I think that they should just let Obamacare move forward. Americans overwhelmingly hate it and it's going to collapse on it's own anyway.

    Yeah, did the KoolAid you drank damage all other thought processes? If republicans really though the ACA would fall on its face, they would not waste all their days trying to tear it apart. No, they know it will be another program that actually helps people and people do this thing called voting. The teabaggers have done everything they could to give Obamacare a black eye and in some ways they have succeeded, but in the end, like Social Security before it, massive amounts of voters will end up loving the program and the republicans will spend years in defeat because they thought sticking up for faceless corporations was a brilliant strategy.


    Spoken like a true, hateful liberal, starting out with a personal attack. So much anger and frustration in your life. Poor thing.

    Why do nutcases think calling someone a liberal is an insult? When you can't debate anymore, which obviously you have no logic to even start, you just throw out the Rush Limbaugh end all and that's it? Look I don't know what you situation is, maybe you live in an upscale trailer park, I don't know, but you are so partisan in your silly "thinking" that all you can do is throw out meaningless insults and run back to your outhouse for lunch.
    Seriously, seek help. Try to find an honest friend who will drive you to the psyche hospital and detail your level of insanity for the Obamacare paid for staff.
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    Oct 01, 2013 5:23 PM GMT
    smartmoney said
    franktats said
    smartmoney said
    franktats said
    Tx_Bull said
    franktats said1) The government isn't "shut down" - welfare and entitlement checks are still being printed and mailed out as usual

    2) I am one of those who is currently furloughed

    3) The House (Republicans) passed several CR bills just in the past few days that completely fund the government, with the exception of Obamacare. Harry Reid (DEMOCRAT) who controls the Senate has held the entire U.S. government hostage because he doesn't want any changes to the Obamacare law. Harry Reid has "shut down" the government.

    Boy your head is very deep in john boehner's ass!
    The last "continuing resolution" passed did in fact cut welfare and entitlements. Cut funding to student aid and cost many "low level" jobs. john boehner was behind that one too, not that you remembered. Its your Republicans that have cost your furlough, played easily with your money just so they can "prove a point".


    Incorrect. It was clean, with the exception of Obamacare.

    BTW, I would like to go on record here as saying that I think that they should just let Obamacare move forward. Americans overwhelmingly hate it and it's going to collapse on it's own anyway.

    Yeah, did the KoolAid you drank damage all other thought processes? If republicans really though the ACA would fall on its face, they would not waste all their days trying to tear it apart. No, they know it will be another program that actually helps people and people do this thing called voting. The teabaggers have done everything they could to give Obamacare a black eye and in some ways they have succeeded, but in the end, like Social Security before it, massive amounts of voters will end up loving the program and the republicans will spend years in defeat because they thought sticking up for faceless corporations was a brilliant strategy.


    Spoken like a true, hateful liberal, starting out with a personal attack. So much anger and frustration in your life. Poor thing.

    Why do nutcases think calling someone a liberal is an insult? When you can't debate anymore, which obviously you have no logic to even start, you just throw out the Rush Limbaugh end all and that's it? Look I don't know what you situation is, maybe you live in an upscale trailer park, I don't know, but you are so partisan in your silly "thinking" that all you can do is throw out meaningless insults and run back to your outhouse for lunch.
    Seriously, seek help. Try to find an honest friend who will drive you to the psyche hospital and detail your level of insanity for the Obamacare paid for staff.


    Keep venting out all that pent up hate and frustration about your life. Better you do it here than out in the real world where you might actually harm someone.
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    Oct 01, 2013 5:29 PM GMT
    "Keep venting out all that pent up hate and frustration about your life. Better you do it here than out in the real world where you might actually harm someone."
    Shhhh, obviously if you don't get your way, you just lash out and attack, I believe one of your doctors will refer to this as projecting. Keep it up, it's kind of adorable, predictable and says an awful lot about what sort of person you are.
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    Oct 01, 2013 5:30 PM GMT
    Joesph Goebbels, Hitler's minister of propaganda, would had been proud of Southbitch/franktats/(insert current soon-to-be-banned "sock puppet" name) and his unending supply of mis-information, outright lies and distortions of the truth.




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    Oct 01, 2013 5:30 PM GMT
    Let's look at this logically. Republicans lost the last election, which was after Obamacare was passed, meaning that voters re-approved support for how Obama was running things and rejected Republicans ideas. The Republican House is aware that Obama was never going to sign off on defunding Obamacare, but they chose to use extortion tactics. You can't have a government that is run by extortion.

    That's no more reasonable than Boehner demanding that Obama step down as President and allow him to takeover the presidency, or otherwise, the GOP would set the Capitol building on fire. Crazy as Republicans are, they might actually take it there.
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    Oct 01, 2013 6:34 PM GMT
    blkapollo saidLet's look at this logically. Republicans lost the last election, which was after Obamacare was passed, meaning that voters re-approved support for how Obama was running things and rejected Republicans ideas. The Republican House is aware that Obama was never going to sign off on defunding Obamacare, but they chose to use extortion tactics. You can't have a government that is run by extortion.

    That's no more reasonable than Boehner demanding that Obama step down as President and allow him to takeover the presidency, or otherwise, the GOP would set the Capitol building on fire. Crazy as Republicans are, they might actually take it there.


    I don't think the right way to get rid of Obamacare is to defund it. That said, The voters once again installed a majority of Republicans in the House. Unlike the Senate, where not everyone is up for election every two years, in the House, everyone was up for election.

    The American people clearly wanted Republicans installed in the chamber that originates spending bills.

    When you get into terms like "extortion" and "setting the Capitol building on fire" you veer off into coockoo land.

    So, once again, the House has passed several CRs in the past few days that fully fund the government with the exception of Obamacare. The leader of the Senate (and the President) have stated that they are unwilling to even discuss the matter.

    In fact, they are even unwilling to discuss a 1 year delay of the individual mandate. Interesting that Obama illegally imposed a 1 year delay for his corporate cronies, yet when the proper way of adjusting the law is proposed by Republicans, it's "I don't want to talk about it."

    In other words, "it's our way or the highway." That's not how the system works and when one side adopts such a stance, you end up where we are today.
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    Oct 01, 2013 6:46 PM GMT
    Republicans lost the House popular vote, they only won a majority of the seats because they gerrymandered blue states like Pennsylvania and Michigan, and purple ones like Ohio and Florida. That doesn't remotely mean the people wanted a Republican house, it means Republicans were lucky enough to stack the deck in their favor. Learn some political science.

    Obamacare was passed fair and square, Republicans have tried to repeal it, but don't have the votes to do it, so they resorted to threats. Government is not about extortion and that's what this is. Where do the demands stop? That's the question and my analogy stands. If Obama was to totally defund Obamacare just to keep Republicans from shutting down the government, it sets a precedent for making more and more demands.
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    Oct 01, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    blkapollo saidRepublicans lost the House popular vote, they only won a majority of the seats because they gerrymandered blue states like Pennsylvania and Michigan, and purple ones like Ohio and Florida. That doesn't remotely mean the people wanted a Republican house, it means Republicans were lucky enough to stack the deck in their favor. Learn some political science.

    Obamacare was passed fair and square, Republicans have tried to repeal it, but don't have the votes to do it, so they resorted to threats. Government is not about extortion and that's what this is. Where do the demands stop? That's the question and my analogy stands. If Obama was to totally defund Obamacare just to keep Republicans from shutting down the government, it sets a precedent for making more and more demands.


    Gerrymandering is a fact of life, both parties do it.

    The law was passed "fair and square."

    The House can choose to fund or not fund whichever laws it chooses to. That's "fair and square" as well.

    The Democrats refuse to discuss a 1 year delay of the individual mandate. They prefer to shut down the whole government rather than discuss the matter.

    The Democrats are responsible for the government shutdown.
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    Oct 01, 2013 6:55 PM GMT
    rnch saidJoesph Goebbels, Hitler's minister of propaganda, would had been proud of Southbitch/franktats/(insert current soon-to-be-banned "sock puppet" name) and his unending supply of mis-information, outright lies and distortions of the truth.




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    Mate I have witnessed time, and time again here at RJ, the democrats not letting a thing such as the truth get in the way; but you overlook their delusions.icon_eek.gif
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    rnch saidJoesph Goebbels, Hitler's minister of propaganda, would had been proud of Southbitch/franktats/(insert current soon-to-be-banned "sock puppet" name) and his unending supply of mis-information, outright lies and distortions of the truth.




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    Mate I have witnessed time, and time again here at RJ, the democrats not letting a thing such as the truth get in the way; but you overlook their delusions.icon_eek.gif


    Quite correct.
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    Oct 01, 2013 9:15 PM GMT
    Interesting that the founding fathers set up a system with the House and the Senate acting to balance each other. This current situation demonstrates the wisdom of that.
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    Oct 01, 2013 9:39 PM GMT
    LJay saidInteresting that the founding fathers set up a system with the House and the Senate acting to balance each other. This current situation demonstrates the wisdom of that.


    I realize people on both sides of the issue will agree with you and can use your statement to point the finger of blame at the other side. That said:

    It's designed to encourage the two chambers to negotiate over differences.

    The whole thing falls apart if you have the leader of one of the chambers state over and over again that there will be no negotiations. And it only adds fuel to the fire when the President says the same.
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    Oct 01, 2013 10:05 PM GMT
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    Gerrymandering is a fact of life, both parties do it.

    The law was passed "fair and square."

    The House can choose to fund or not fund whichever laws it chooses to. That's "fair and square" as well.

    The Democrats refuse to discuss a 1 year delay of the individual mandate. They prefer to shut down the whole government rather than discuss the matter.

    The Democrats are responsible for the government shutdown.


    I never said both parties don't gerrymander, just that you can't attribute the House Republican majority to anything other than gerrymandering. The house can pass whatever it wants, but that doesn't mean they aren't using blackmail tactics to get what they want. The Republicans are demanding a delay, not just a discussion, there is a difference.

    It's all a moot point, because at the end of the day, the shutdown didn't even stop Obamacare, so what is accomplished other than putting people out of work?
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    Gerrymandering is a fact of life, both parties do it.

    The law was passed "fair and square."

    The House can choose to fund or not fund whichever laws it chooses to. That's "fair and square" as well.

    The Democrats refuse to discuss a 1 year delay of the individual mandate. They prefer to shut down the whole government rather than discuss the matter.

    The Democrats are responsible for the government shutdown.


    I never said both parties don't gerrymander, just that you can't attribute the House Republican majority to anything other than gerrymandering. The house can pass whatever it wants, but that doesn't mean they aren't using blackmail tactics to get what they want. The Republicans are demanding a delay, not just a discussion, there is a difference.

    It's all a moot point, because at the end of the day, the shutdown didn't even stop Obamacare, so what is accomplished other than putting people out of work?


    Thanks for clarifying your gerrymandering statement.

    The way negotiations are conducted, it is the House that passes their version of a spending bill, the Senate takes up that bill and makes amendments and then they go to conference which is where the negotiating takes place.

    However, in this case, despite the Republican House passing CRs that fully fund the government with the exception of Obamacare for the past week the Senate (and the President) have stated that they will not participate in the negotiation portion of the process.

    Now you tell me, who is short circuiting the process?

    And, as I've stated before, I would rather see Obamacare just collapse on its own (which it will) as that would open a lot of people's eyes to the folly of such an intrusive government program. I think trying to defund it is a waste of time.

    What SHOULD happen (and here is where Boehner and company have made a serious mistake) is that they should actually abandon this CR nonsense and instead pass normal budget appropriations bills, and send each one over to the Senate. That's the proper way to do it.

    Signed - One of the government workers on furlough.
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    Oct 01, 2013 10:37 PM GMT
    And this afternoon:

    Senate Democrats on Tuesday voted to refuse to enter into official negotiations with the House on a spending bill, saying there can be no talks until the GOP agrees to end the shutdown that began Tuesday morning.

    The 54-46 vote showed Senate Democrats remain united, and the vote shoves the issue back over to House Republicans, who have now seen the senior chamber kill four different proposals to end the shutdown.


    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/1/senate-kills-latest-shutdown-offer-effects-begin-b/
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    Oct 01, 2013 10:54 PM GMT
    rnch saidJoesph Goebbels, Hitler's minister of propaganda, would had been proud of Southbitch/franktats/(insert current soon-to-be-banned "sock puppet" name) and his unending supply of mis-information, outright lies and distortions of the truth.




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