We need a Harvey Milk right now

  • GQjock

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    Nov 24, 2008 10:55 PM GMT
    The Biopic MILK is going to be coming out pretty soon

    and the parallels between what he was fighting for and what we are facing are uncannily similar
    He was fighting the bigotry coming from the Religious zealots
    and he got shot to death for it

    We all need to see this movie ... esp the younger guys on here
    so they can see how long we've been fighting for our rights

    ...to the gay community all over this state, my message to you is, so far a lot of people joined us and rejected Proposition 6, and we owe them something. We owe them to continue the education campaign that took place. We must destroy the myths once and for all, shatter them. We must continue to speak out, and most importantly, most importantly, every gay person must come out. As difficult as it is you must tell your immediate family, you must tell your relatives, you must tell your friends, if indeed they are your friends, you must tell your neighbors, you must tell the people you work with, you must tell the people in the stores you shop in (thunderous applause), and once they realize that we are indeed their children, that we are indeed everywhere, every myth, every lie, every innuendo will be destroyed once and for all. And once you do, you will feel so much better. Harvey Milk

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    Nov 24, 2008 11:00 PM GMT
    I can't wait... it's gonna be an *awesome* movie icon_biggrin.gif
  • EricLA

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    Nov 25, 2008 12:08 AM GMT
    Amen. I've written this before, but I was 12 when Milk and Moscone were slain. I was just realizing I was gay, so I had a lot of reactions to it. I've read The Mayor of Castro Street and seen The Life and Times of Harvey Milk, and have followed the developments over the years of the various attempts to make a feature film. I can't believe it finally happened. Penn looks phenomenal. And the story is really timely. I do wish we had a gay leader who could rally the community, but I think there are a lot of people in the community who are suspicious of leaders. It's a double-edged sword.
  • farfle

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    Nov 25, 2008 1:12 AM GMT
    omg, that video gives me goosebumps...the pain of that day coming back anew. I, too, anxiously await the new film and hope it is a tremendous success...although I'm not a fan of Sean Penn, he looks to be awesome in this!

    We do need another Harvey Milk...a lot more Harvey Milks, actually...where are the gay leaders for today and tomorrow?
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    Nov 25, 2008 3:22 AM GMT
    I was lucky enough to see a prescreening at Northwestern. It's a great movie. Really inspirational. (Afterward I got to meet Emile Hirsch)

    You guys are in for a real treat.
  • pcsean28

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    Nov 25, 2008 3:57 AM GMT
    Looking forward to a benefit screening tomorrow night in LA.
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    Nov 25, 2008 9:08 AM GMT
    Gay Leadership on the Plains is completely lacking.
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    Nov 25, 2008 9:31 AM GMT
    Maverick75 saidGay Leadership on the Plains is completely lacking.


    That's because they all run to Chicago, Dallas, Austin, or Denver...and the idiots run to LA. hahahaahahaha
  • zakariahzol

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    Nov 25, 2008 12:46 PM GMT
    Like every gay related Movie. I think this movie will be banned here in Malaysia. But I gonna find a way to see it. Buy its in neighbouring Thailand, look for it in the black market for pirated copies.

    Yes, now that everybody else is getting their "equal right". It time for us , the forgotten minority to enjoy the same benefit. I probably non American, but a fight for equality is universal and I am all for it.
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    Nov 25, 2008 2:13 PM GMT
    I remember when the Moscone/Milk murders occurred. I was 19 - a Stanford student (down the peninsula from San Francisco.) Dan White had hastily quit his job as a member of the SF board of supervisors. He met with mayor George Moscone the next morning wanting the job back. Moscone refused - which White had anticipated, so he shot Moscone - right there in city hall. White then shot Harvey Milk because he said "Harvey smirked at me." White was tried under the then-current liberal sentencing laws of California, and was given such a light sentence - he was released from custody so early - he was shunned around SF - committing suicide shortly thereafter. A few years later, I worked with a woman who had been White's admin. assistant and she shared a lot of insider information about the case. She said White left a basement window at city hall unlocked and sneaked the gun in that way on the morning of the killings (so there you have premeditation.) Believe this - part of White's defense was that he had consumed so much junk food - it altered his sense of right and wrong. It is still called the "Twinkie defense" and I'm not joking.

    Milk and Moscone were so beloved in SF that there were *White night riots* for a time. Gays and straights were outraged at the lenient sentence. Dianne Feinstein was president of the board of supervisors - immediately ascending to mayor, and is credited with restoring peace and harmony to SF. Feinstein was an excellent mayor for a lot of other contributions she made in her two terms before becoming our senator. (She did a great deal for the fight against Prop. 8 recently as well and in my opinion, is a great senator. I'd like to have seen her become our first female president.)

    Harvey Milk was a member of the board of supervisors for SF and did a lot for gays - and was one of the first guys I ever saw holding his boyfriend's hand in public....unheard of at the time - photographers took close-up shots of this sometimes. Milk was instrumental in advancing gay rights.
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    Nov 25, 2008 2:28 PM GMT
    I was always taught growing up that since the deck is already stacked against me. I do not look for others to take the torch and be a leader in my community I must do it myself.

    While in high school I started a tutoring program at my church for the kids in the neighborhood.

    I went to the school board to fight that our schools in the inner-city get the same books that the schools that were not in the inner-city get.

    Imagine my horror when I found out that text books that my cousins were using were 3 to 5 years out dated. All because of what zip code that one lives. There is no way you can compete if you are playing catch-up.

    When I was in college I was a huge member of ACT-UP!
    My point is that each of us has Harvey Milk and Mayor Mascone inside of us.

    You can not use the name Harvey Milk with out also using Mayor Mascone in the sentance they were both fighting for our civil rights.

    It is incumbent upon each of us to fight bigotry wherever we see it.

    If it's racial do something about. (All forms of racial bigotry not just against on race.)
    If its crimes committed against women children do something about.

    We can not afford to fall in to the trap that my fight is bigger than your fight it isn't because we are all fighting for the same thing EQUAL RIGHTS AND EQUAL PROTECTION under the Law!
    One poster said that he consider himself to be a part of a forgotten minority. I beg to differ sir. We live it country where the majority NEVRE lets us forget that we are a minority, we will be reminded either in deeds, or words or legislation at every turn.icon_biggrin.gif

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    Nov 27, 2008 3:54 PM GMT
    The Harvey Milk biopic is supposedly saved by Sean Penn's performance which is outstanding. The discrimination faced by gays and lesbians in the 1970s was far greater than that faced in the 21st century. I would just be happy if gays and lesbians (as well as bisexuals and transexuals) worked together as opposed to against each other. That would be a step in the right direction. It would certainly make it easier to fight discrimination from the straight community who will always make up the vast majority of people.
  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 27, 2008 4:52 PM GMT
    I think it's coming out 5 DEC.

  • Koaa2

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    Nov 28, 2008 1:32 PM GMT
    I lived in the Castro for a while, a great place to live, can't wait to see it.
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    Dec 02, 2008 11:57 AM GMT
    Ducky44 saidI was always taught growing up that since the deck is already stacked against me. I do not look for others to take the torch and be a leader in my community I must do it myself.



    Great point! I wish more people in the GLBT community felt this way, especially here in Omaha. I'm trying to get some things setup here in the Omaha area. Its mostly online stuff right now.

    Iowa's Supreme Court is supposed to rule on some gay issues in the coming weeks. They could be the next state to legalize gay marriage! If they rule for the gay issues, it may make things easier for us here on the Nebraska side.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-iowa27-2008nov27,0,4677334.story
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    Dec 03, 2008 6:04 AM GMT
    Jock-

    You are so very right on the facts. I lived in the Bay Area at the time, in Marin, I followed everything Milk did as well as reading Tales of the City in the Chronicle by Maupin. I was in a social studies class in HS when the murders happened. It was a shock. I don't think he killed Milk because he was gay, he just was so pissed off about Moscone not giving him his Supervisor job back that he killed Moscone and Milk who happened to be there. He definitely snuck the gun in the way you said. He got off because the DA at the time was from the old boys, Irish, network. He did not try very hard at all. I was glad when when he killed himself. I was suprised when he got out of jail so soon, but then he killed himself which I thought was a fitting end.

    There are no Milks today because we eat up our young. Milk today would be attacked by other gays for not being radical enough. He lived in a great moment which can not be recreated. If you have not read Randy Shilts, "The Mayor of Castro Street", you should. Milk was a man for his time in the right place at the right time.
  • GQjock

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    Dec 03, 2008 11:03 AM GMT
    Harvey Milk had the courage to go out there and say the Hell with it
    I'm going to say what needs to be said ... and he did
    He played political hardball
    so much so that it got him killed
    but we don't have any gay people out there with the same courage
    We all play it safe
    We're all afraid of the repercussions
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    Dec 03, 2008 11:26 AM GMT
    How funny? Afraid of repercussions? How about on here? Where the slightest difference of thought gets attacked? Milk would not last 5 minutes on here the way we tear each other apart. Milk worked well in his time, he would not last 5 minutes in this age of tear down people that disagree with you.
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    Dec 03, 2008 11:32 AM GMT
    GQ-

    Some of us do. Some have the courage to speak honestly. We try.

    But we get yelled at and beaten down by the Majority on here. Time and time again. Say something not popular, and see what happens.

    Milk would not last 5 minutes on here. He thought differently than most. He would be shot down on here in two minutes.
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    Dec 03, 2008 11:41 AM GMT
    I loved Harvey. He was different. He did what he thought was right, popular opinion be damned. There is no Harvey today. Not even close.
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    Dec 03, 2008 12:04 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidGQ-

    Some of us do. Some have the courage to speak honestly. We try.

    But we get yelled at and beaten down by the Majority on here. Time and time again. Say something not popular, and see what happens.

    Milk would not last 5 minutes on here. He thought differently than most. He would be shot down on here in two minutes.


    This isn't the venue that I was talking about
    I meant someone who will get out there into politics
    and work within the machine instead of looking from the sidelines

    Opinions are opinions ... everybody has them
    But to get out there and put yourself on the line to change Policy is something else
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    Dec 04, 2008 11:48 PM GMT
    i would not be a good milk candidate..not really a uniter. i like to throw stones and cause chaos, especially with mormons, my current target.
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    Dec 05, 2008 12:16 AM GMT
    Triggerman said Milk today would be attacked by other gays for not being radical enough. He lived in a great moment which can not be recreated. If you have not read Randy Shilts, "The Mayor of Castro Street", you should. Milk was a man for his time in the right place at the right time.


    Interesting perspective. I would have said just the opposite -- that he'd be too radical for many gays today. And he was certainly too radical for many "establishment gays" of his time, a point that's made very clearly in the film.

    Of course, "radical" in San Francisco and "radical" in Atlanta are too very different things, but Milk was certainly considered a firebrand during his time.

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    Dec 05, 2008 12:23 AM GMT
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    Triggerman said Milk today would be attacked by other gays for not being radical enough. He lived in a great moment which can not be recreated. If you have not read Randy Shilts, "The Mayor of Castro Street", you should. Milk was a man for his time in the right place at the right time.


    Interesting perspective. I would have said just the opposite -- that he'd be too radical for many gays today. And he was certainly too radical for many "establishment gays" of his time, a point that's made very clearly in the film.

    Of course, "radical" in San Francisco and "radical" in Atlanta are too very different things, but Milk was certainly considered a firebrand during his time.



    He's too effeminate for half the profiles on RJ.
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    Dec 05, 2008 12:46 AM GMT

    MaverickHe's too effeminate for half the profiles on RJ.

    LOL! That is something that comes through generally in the film -- gay men's greater comfort with gender-bending at the time.

    Of course, we tend to scrub that fact away in our gay hagiography, no matter the time. Matthew Shepard was quite effeminate, a fact that was reported commonly in early accounts of his death, but then it was deleted from the storyline.