Obama Admin At War With WWII Veterans

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    Oct 02, 2013 2:28 PM GMT
    This is just disgusting.

    The White House and the Department of the Interior rejected a request from Rep. Steven Palazzo’s office to have World War II veterans visit the World War II memorial in Washington, the Mississippi Republican told The Daily Caller Tuesday.

    In a statement, Palazzo noted that he is introducing legislation to ensure that all Honor Flights are granted access this week. “This is an open-air memorial that the public has 24/7 access to under normal circumstances — even when Park Service personnel aren’t present,” Palazzo said in the statement. “It actually requires more effort and expense to shut out these veterans from their Memorial than it would to simply let them through. My office has been in touch with NPS officials and the Administration to try to resolve this issue.”


    http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/01/obama-admin-knew-about-wwii-veterans-request-and-rejected-it/
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    Oct 02, 2013 4:00 PM GMT


    What's far more disgusting is the following: that those who voted for the shut-down were quite fine with veterans and military personnel being paid in IOUs.


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    Oct 02, 2013 4:04 PM GMT
    The GOP now wants things two ways with their shutdown.

    Can't selectively keep somethings open because of patriotic outrage.
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    Oct 02, 2013 4:35 PM GMT
    Upper_Cdn saidThe GOP now wants things two ways with their shutdown.

    Can't selectively keep somethings open because of patriotic outrage.


    Mr. Canadian,

    Please educate yourself as to how our budget process is supposed to work:

    The House passes a spending bill, which then goes to the Senate. The Senate either accepts the bill or amends it and if it is amended the bill goes to Conference where NEGOTIATING takes place. Unfortunately, Mr. Reid and ALL the Democrats in the Senate voted NOT to negotiate. That is a fact. The system will not work if one side states "accept it the way I want it, no discussions, no negotiations."

    This is why we here in the USA are currently going through a government "shutdown/slimdown" which is a result of the Democrats behaving as dictators.
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    Oct 02, 2013 5:25 PM GMT
    Got to admire these vets.

    A new wave of veterans were forced to move barricades at the WWII Memorial in Washington Wednesday morning to gain access during the government slimdown, a spokeswoman from Sen. Jerry Moran, R-Kan., told FoxNews.com.

    The veterans vowed to make the trek to D.C. regardless of the situation in Washington. When asked how they were going to visit the World War II Memorial when it’s closed, Ian Drake, a WWII veteran, told Fox4KC.com the group will "find a way in, one way or another. We might have to climb or something. It's no problem. Well work it out when we get there."

    The veterans are traveling as part of Honor Flight , a program that enables World War II veterans to partake in an expense-paid trip to view the memorial.


    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/02/new-wave-wwii-veterans-move-barricades-to-access-dc-memorial/?intcmp=latestnews
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    Oct 02, 2013 5:40 PM GMT
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    Upper_Cdn saidThe GOP now wants things two ways with their shutdown.

    Can't selectively keep somethings open because of patriotic outrage.


    Mr. Canadian,

    Please educate yourself as to how our budget process is supposed to work:

    The House passes a spending bill, which then goes to the Senate. The Senate either accepts the bill or amends it and if it is amended the bill goes to Conference where NEGOTIATING takes place. Unfortunately, Mr. Reid and ALL the Democrats in the Senate voted NOT to negotiate. That is a fact. The system will not work if one side states "accept it the way I want it, no discussions, no negotiations."

    This is why we here in the USA are currently going through a government "shutdown/slimdown" which is a result of the Democrats behaving as dictators.


    Oh, we would have another election...
    Your process is great in theory, but tying a law that's a done deal to the budget is absurd. They are spitting on the electorate and the supreme court.
    A dictator is ONE person.
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    Oct 02, 2013 6:34 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    What's far more disgusting is the following: that those who voted for the shut-down were quite fine with veterans and military personnel being paid in IOUs.


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    Just a couple of questions.

    Could you explain exactly who voted for "the shut-down" ?

    Maybe you could also explain exactly how the voting process for a government "shut-down" works? Is the vote an actual show of hands ? Or is it just a yea or nay vote?

    The reason I'm asking is because I don't remember anyone actually voting for "the shut-down", No one voted for the previous 17 government shutdowns since 1976, and my several copies of the U.S. Constitution are either defective or missing something because I can find no Article and section that deals with voting for a government shut-down.
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    Oct 02, 2013 6:39 PM GMT
    Kazachok said
    Oh, we would have another election...
    Your process is great in theory, but tying a law that's a done deal to the budget is absurd. They are spitting on the electorate and the supreme court.
    A dictator is ONE person.


    I see you are not an American citizen, so I'll further educate you.

    The House of Representatives is charged with originating all spending bills. They decide which departments / bureaus / agencies of the government get funded and how much funding they get.

    No Congress is bound by any spending law passed by a previous Congress unless such law has specific language in it that authorizes spending beyond a particular fiscal year. In addition, Congress has the authority to modify or repeal any law passed by any previous Congress and signed into law.

    As for a dictator - Harry Reid in the Senate is calling all the shots with regards to the obstruction we are seeing in the inability of any spending bill out of the House to progress through the Senate.

    I hope this gives you a clearer picture of how our system is setup here in the USA.
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    Oct 02, 2013 8:28 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    What's far more disgusting is the following: that those who voted for the shut-down were quite fine with veterans and military personnel being paid in IOUs.


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    I have been verified, and a financial supporter of RJ too, when they took our cash. I still even have the RJ Tee, and at the end of the day, it makes no difference and we have trolls here who are verified too.icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 02, 2013 9:38 PM GMT
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    meninlove said

    What's far more disgusting is the following: that those who voted for the shut-down were quite fine with veterans and military personnel being paid in IOUs.


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    I have been verified, and a financial supporter of RJ too, when they took our cash. I still even have the RJ Tee, and at the end of the day, it makes no difference and we have trolls here who are verified too.icon_wink.gif


    Are you answering me because franktats is you sock account? If he is not your sock account, then allow him to reply.
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    Oct 02, 2013 9:40 PM GMT
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    meninlove said

    What's far more disgusting is the following: that those who voted for the shut-down were quite fine with veterans and military personnel being paid in IOUs.


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    So, why don't you get verified? icon_wink.gif



    Just a couple of questions.

    Could you explain exactly who voted for "the shut-down" ?

    Maybe you could also explain exactly how the voting process for a government "shut-down" works? Is the vote an actual show of hands ? Or is it just a yea or nay vote?

    The reason I'm asking is because I don't remember anyone actually voting for "the shut-down", No one voted for the previous 17 government shutdowns since 1976, and my several copies of the U.S. Constitution are either defective or missing something because I can find no Article and section that deals with voting for a government shut-down.


    Ohhh...I think, you're too rich with your 7,00 square foot house and 20 thousand acres you felt it necessary to brag about to have time to speak with me.icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 02, 2013 9:44 PM GMT
    I'm using the term vote shybuffguy, to try and be polite to the conservatives on here that agreed with the shut down. I was going to use extortion, because that's what happened.

    Kill Obamacare or we'll let the gov't shut down. And they did.

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    Oct 02, 2013 9:45 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    What's far more disgusting is the following: that those who voted for the shut-down were quite fine with veterans and military personnel being paid in IOUs.


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    I don't quite understand your logic. There is really only one issue that the House and Senate don't agree on. The House tried passing through legislation that will keep funding for the Veterans Department, the National Parks, and parts of DC--something that BOTH sides agree should remain funded--and yet they reject it, because they want to keep crying about how the GOP is causing these things to remain close. That's BS! THEY are the ones who rejected the funding for these programs while they work on negotiations for Obamacare. I seriously laughed at NBC news while they did a segment on Yellowstone and at the end, they said how sad that these beautiful, national parks will be shutdown because the parties can't agree. I think I agree with my friend now; pass through Obamacare, watch shit burn, and put the blame on the liberals that cried and stomped their feet to get it. Good riddance.
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    Oct 02, 2013 9:47 PM GMT
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    Upper_Cdn saidThe GOP now wants things two ways with their shutdown.

    Can't selectively keep somethings open because of patriotic outrage.


    Mr. Canadian,

    Please educate yourself as to how our budget process is supposed to work:

    The House passes a spending bill, which then goes to the Senate. The Senate either accepts the bill or amends it and if it is amended the bill goes to Conference where NEGOTIATING takes place. Unfortunately, Mr. Reid and ALL the Democrats in the Senate voted NOT to negotiate. That is a fact. The system will not work if one side states "accept it the way I want it, no discussions, no negotiations."

    This is why we here in the USA are currently going through a government "shutdown/slimdown" which is a result of the Democrats behaving as dictators.



    from outside, it looks as though your GOP is in the wrong here, and is bearing the brunt of the blame (righly so).
    The system will not work if one side refuses to accept the result of 40 votes on defunding and an election campaign was already fought (and won, by the Democrats) on it. In short: obamacare has won repeatedly, under the laws. The GOP is just having a tantrum.


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    Oct 02, 2013 9:47 PM GMT
    Bills have been introduced to keep things open and people paid, we'll see who(democrats) obstructs these plans.
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    Oct 02, 2013 9:50 PM GMT
    The government would be foolish to capitulate to this kind of tactic. you do not "negotiate with terrorists"


    Where did this sudden reverence for "negotiation" come from. Uh you LOST. No negotiation needed.
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    Oct 02, 2013 9:53 PM GMT
    Our system was designed to have the congress and president negotiate, not one man dictate, no matter how many lemmings he can fool.
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    Oct 02, 2013 9:58 PM GMT
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    meninlove said

    What's far more disgusting is the following: that those who voted for the shut-down were quite fine with veterans and military personnel being paid in IOUs.


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    I don't quite understand your logic. There is really only one issue that the House and Senate don't agree on. The House tried passing through legislation that will keep funding for the Veterans Department, the National Parks, and parts of DC--something that BOTH sides agree should remain funded--and yet they reject it, because they want to keep crying about how the GOP is causing these things to remain close. That's BS! THEY are the ones who rejected the funding for these programs while they work on negotiations for Obamacare. I seriously laughed at NBC news while they did a segment on Yellowstone and at the end, they said how sad that these beautiful, national parks will be shutdown because the parties can't agree. I think I agree with my friend now; pass through Obamacare, watch shit burn, and put the blame on the liberals that cried and stomped their feet to get it. Good riddance.


    Actually, at the 11th hour....
    http://www.stripes.com/news/obama-signs-law-to-pay-servicemembers-during-shutdown-1.244356 *eye twinkle*

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    Oct 02, 2013 10:00 PM GMT
    If you don't like it, feel free to leave.
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    Oct 02, 2013 10:02 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidOur system was designed to have the congress and president negotiate, not one man dictate, no matter how many lemmings he can fool.

    it sounds like you have been fooled by the GOP and Fox news.


    Only Fox news watchers say Democrat Party. icon_lol.gif
    I see NBC News and CNN, but put most stock in the CBC`s political coverage out of Washington. The consensus is Obama must NOT give in to the Tea Party caucus, or they will do this again. And the public is blaming the Republicans and perceiving them as unable to control the Tea Party extremists.
    Tail wagging the Dog, is a phrase often used to describe the situation there. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 02, 2013 10:04 PM GMT
    This is how the system works, it's called checks and balances. If you want a rubber stamp or dictatorship, you'll have to wait.
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    Oct 02, 2013 10:27 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidThis is how the system works, it's called checks and balances. If you want a rubber stamp or dictatorship, you'll have to wait.


    Technically, this would be an oligarchical dictatorship, since basically 40 people are controlling the government. There is a majority of Democrats and Republicans in the House that would vote for the Senate's budget, but the Speaker will not allow that because he's more worried about keeping his job than doing what's right. (and there's nothing in the Constitution that mentions political parties as part of the separation of powers)

    If the Tea Party wants to get rid of Obamacare, they should start winning elections. Apparently, however, they only believe in democracy as long as they get their way.
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    Oct 02, 2013 11:06 PM GMT
    Obama is at war with America. He has been the day after he was elected. Its too bad the country still had a hardon for him 4 years later and re-elected him. He hates everything this country has ever stood for. It all goes back to his Chicago political organization days and his ties to those who want to fundamentally change this country. He could give a shit about our allies around the world or the citizens of this country. He is a socialist liberal and unfortunately he has morphed the democrat party into his own image, a spiteful, hateful, arrogant, dictatorship It is going to take some true democrats in the party to say enough is enough and kill the infestation from within but no one has the guts to do it. And so it shall continue untill 2016. If our country is still salvageable
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    Oct 02, 2013 11:07 PM GMT
    Here is a clip from CBC's Neil Macdonald on the situation in D.C., for a disinterested informed outsider's perspective.

    http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/World/ID/2409742989/
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    Oct 02, 2013 11:16 PM GMT
    Blakes7 saidThis is how the system works, it's called checks and balances. If you want a rubber stamp or dictatorship, you'll have to wait.


    Good point.