Polls: Republicans Blamed for Gov’t Shutdown

  • PIccadilly

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    Oct 02, 2013 2:41 PM GMT
    I guess not that many people read Southbeach's memos after all...

    http://www.voanews.com/content/polls-show-republicans-blamed-for-government-shutdown/1761103.html
  • musclmed

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    Oct 02, 2013 2:54 PM GMT
    Piccadilly saidI guess not that many people read Southbeach's memos after all...

    http://www.voanews.com/content/polls-show-republicans-blamed-for-government-shutdown/1761103.html


    they would be voted out of office if they just rolled over and increased the debt and just "did as Obama asked".

    The history of shutdowns in the past show neutral if any changes afterwards.
  • rnch

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    Oct 02, 2013 3:02 PM GMT
    musclmed said....they would be voted out of office if they just rolled over and increased the debt and just "did as Obama asked"...




    They prolly will "be voted out of office" the next time the American voters can show their opinion of their Congressman's stupidities-in-action.




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    Oct 02, 2013 3:19 PM GMT
    Well lets see why the House Republicans would be blamed for this instead of Obama. Might it be that the press is largely sympathetic to their arguments?

    Oh yes, that IS why! If ABC / CBS / NBC / MSNBC / NY Times / Washington Post / LA Times / etc are the mouthpieces of the Administration, of course the population will have their opinions shaped to be sympathetic to the administration.

    Intentionally or not, Monday on Morning Joe, Time's Mark Halperin revealed to the world how the American media's pro-Obama bias will in part be to blame for any coming government shutdown. When asked if President Obama had an incentive to negotiate with the GOP, Halperin explained that, "The White House does not have much incentive. They think the trends are going to go in their direction at the end of the week, or early next week at the latest; because again, the press is largely sympathetic to their arguments on this."

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/09/30/msnbc-halperin-media-bias-shutdown
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    Oct 02, 2013 3:22 PM GMT
    This probably isn't real scientific, but it is a big bunch of people that's about 10x larger than most polls. Says what most of us already know .... plenty of blame to go around.

    http://www.aol.com/article/2013/10/01/aol-users-blame-democrats-by-small-margin-for-government-shutdow/20734508/
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    Oct 02, 2013 5:59 PM GMT
    One thing is certain. No single one of us, or even a small group, is going to have more than the tiniest influence here.

    Any one of us could go into hysterical overdrive trying to defend our side; posting a hundred or more comments about how Obama is to blame or he isn't. But is anyone here crazy enough to believe that his posts will sway the opinions of his fellow RJers?

    When I see so many posts from one member who seems desperate to create an influence, I tend to discount his ideas.

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    Oct 02, 2013 6:18 PM GMT
    NewMtler said

    When I see so many posts from one member who seems desperate to create an influence, I tend to discount his ideas.



    May I direct your attention to the "Gay News" forum. You'll find an individual there who has pretty much taken over that forum.
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    Oct 02, 2013 6:19 PM GMT
    NewMtler saidOne thing is certain. No single one of us, or even a small group, is going to have more than the tiniest influence here.

    Any one of us could go into hysterical overdrive trying to defend our side; posting a hundred or more comments about how Obama is to blame or he isn't. But is anyone here crazy enough to believe that his posts will sway the opinions of his fellow RJers?

    When I see so many posts from one member who seems desperate to create an influence, I tend to discount his ideas.



    "No single one of us, or even a small group, is going to have more than the tiniest influence here."

    That's why I haven't been posting much on this topic although my rate would increase by about 2x to $8,609 per yr. The only thing I can do about it is to keep my nose to the grindstone and make some money.
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    Oct 02, 2013 6:21 PM GMT
    franktats said
    NewMtler said

    When I see so many posts from one member who seems desperate to create an influence, I tend to discount his ideas.



    May I direct your attention to the "Gay News" forum. You'll find an individual there who has pretty much taken over that forum.


    I haven't looked at that forum in a long time. It's 75-80% metta8. I thought he had a real job?
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    Oct 02, 2013 6:23 PM GMT
    franktats said
    NewMtler said

    When I see so many posts from one member who seems desperate to create an influence, I tend to discount his ideas.



    May I direct your attention to the "Gay News" forum. You'll find an individual there who has pretty much taken over that forum.


    if you have time, why don't you do a little of that oriented more toward news that some conservatives would be more interested in?
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 02, 2013 6:33 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidWhat may change the opinion in this case is the Republicans have the issue of fairness - fair that delay of the individual mandate should also apply to individuals, fair that congressional staff should not get special privileges.


    Fat chance.

    The Republicans gripes with Obamacare have had a fair hearing. They have held 40+ votes to amend or change the law. The law worked its way through the courts where it was opposed by Republicans and upheld. A referendum election was held -- the Republican candidate lost the election.

    The exchanges opened yesterday -- by this time next week millions will have signed on to Obamacare. Republicans have lost on Obamacare, and there was nothing unfair about it. They've gotten more than enough fair shakes to stop Obamacare: they lost in Congress, in the voting booth, and in the courts.

    To ignore the will of the people, lay of hundreds of thousands of workers, threaten the economy, and shutdown the government because they cannot get over the fact that they have lost on Obamacare is decidedly unfair. Nothing gives them the right to hold the well-being of the entire country hostage to their pathological inability to accept reality.

    Voters have spoken on this issues. If Republicans really think that throwing the people who have already signed up for Obamacare off Obamacare is going to make them more popular, they are more delusional than the country thinks they are.