Help with school needed - Prop 8 is the topic my professor chose!

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    Nov 25, 2008 2:43 AM GMT
    Hello Gentlemen,

    Okay so my professor has asked us to write a non opinionated piece for our exam tomorrow explaining the arguments for and against proposition 8. I know ya'll know what it is, and know your arguments against it, but what the heck do i write for the arguments for it??? And no opinion or emotion, is she kidding herself?? - were a bunch of university students in Canada, a country so pro gay were like the US's lil gay brother (as told to me by another rj'er the other day, lol).

    So, i mainly just need some arguments that have been presented for it, im busy finishing an essay for another class and and dont really have the time to research. I also undestand it will hurt to give the arguments for it since none are valid, but I need em.

    HELP!!icon_eek.gif

    thanks
  • hartfan

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    Nov 25, 2008 5:06 AM GMT
    There are some "for" arguments on the Protect Marriage web site: http://www.protectmarriage.com/about/why

    The California voter guide also has some information: http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/argu-rebut/argu-rebutt8.htm

    I understand that you are required to write an objective piece, but that does not mean that you cannot come to a conclusion heavily favoring one side based on rational argument. It is possible for you to say that arguments against Proposition 8 are stronger than the arguments for it, after fully laying out both sides, if you so choose.

    Good luck.
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    Nov 25, 2008 5:11 AM GMT
    Hey Hartfan, thanks a bunch!
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    Nov 25, 2008 5:14 AM GMT
    Funny, but it sounds like your teacher is asking for arguments in favor of bigotry.

    I wish you well on this assignment, because if it were me, I'd get an "F." There's no way I could be impartial.
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    Nov 25, 2008 5:23 AM GMT
    zeebyaboi saidFunny, but it sounds like your teacher is asking for arguments in favor of bigotry.


    I doubt it but wouldnt put it past anyone of course. However, the course is Social Problems and shes so politically correct and against offending any belief that her only reason for doing this may be to have us see both sides of the world's opinion. Also, she most likely doesnt wanna have to grade peoples opinions, but a question like this?..oh well!
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    Nov 25, 2008 5:37 AM GMT
    rowerboy said
    zeebyaboi saidFunny, but it sounds like your teacher is asking for arguments in favor of bigotry.


    I doubt it but wouldnt put it past anyone of course. However, the course is Social Problems and shes so politically correct and against offending any belief that her only reason for doing this may be to have us see both sides of the world's opinion. Also, she most likely doesnt wanna have to grade peoples opinions, but a question like this?..oh well!


    Your points are good ones. The societal need to be PC has stripped us of our ability to tell the truth, or at least point out the facts. It's like a political version of the 800-pound gorilla in the room nobody wants to mention. And the fact is, there IS NO reasonable argument in favor of Prop 8.

    The Emperor Wears No Clothes.

    By the way, Rowerboy, I'm NOT telling you how you should think on this issue. These are MY opinions only. Please do your own research. That just may really be what your teacher is after. Even if she's not, the act of researching on your part can only be worthwhile.
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    Nov 25, 2008 9:23 AM GMT
    rowerboy said
    zeebyaboi saidFunny, but it sounds like your teacher is asking for arguments in favor of bigotry.


    I doubt it but wouldnt put it past anyone of course. However, the course is Social Problems and shes so politically correct and against offending any belief that her only reason for doing this may be to have us see both sides of the world's opinion. Also, she most likely doesnt wanna have to grade peoples opinions, but a question like this?..oh well!


    I agree. Trying to see the other side helps to humanize the whole issue. Think about it... we were taught to believe that anyone who is against gay rights is a bigot. And that's just not true. A lot of people out there are coreorced into thinking false statements. Fear drives a lot of people. And when you told to believe in you pastor from day 1, 20-60years down the road you're still gonna believe what they say... in most cases.

    rowerboy, If you want to appear in the middle use terms like "the Christian fundamentalist side/ Yes on prop 8 side/etc. feel/believe that equating gay marriage to straight marriage woul be immoral. Blah Blah Blah. The pro-gay movement veiws Pro 8 as a civil rights issue. Unless she allows it, avoid words like I, me, my, etc. (Personal pronouns)

    If she knows you are gay, she may naturally pay more attention to your essay... not because of bigotry, but because she knows something about you which may make it harder for you to see both sides--which appears to be the assignment.

    At least the Yes on Prop 8 side can't scream "indocterination" at your prof.
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    Nov 25, 2008 6:48 PM GMT
    thanks guys! im off to my exam, wish me luck
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    Nov 25, 2008 10:42 PM GMT
    Best of luck, and be sure to let us know the outcome!
  • MotorBrett

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    Nov 25, 2008 11:00 PM GMT
    For analysis supporting the Yes on Prop 8 group:

    I would utilize the historical context of marriage as a stable and child-bearing relationship that was successfully needed for the propagation of the human species. Homosexuality was a problem. It didn't lead to kids.

    The churches' interests in heterosexual marriages is because homosexual partners would no longer produce heirs to the indoctrination of the churches.

    Arguing against the historical "definition of marriage" defense:

    The numerical and resource problems of unchecked human population growth.

    The recognition that marriage is not necessarily for the sole production of children in today's society.

    Contractual and legal obligations, as well as protections provided by a marriage-contract.

    Equal protections clauses provided by the US and California Constitutions.

    Good luck.

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    Dec 02, 2008 6:01 AM GMT
    92% thanks guys!
  • hartfan

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    Dec 02, 2008 12:32 PM GMT
    Congrats. Glad we could help.