general question about shakes

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    Nov 25, 2008 3:26 AM GMT
    i want to try to gain a bit of muscle while staying lean and toned- i know its important to digest some protein immediately after a workout and i know liquid form is fastest to digest, so..

    first i tried the whey protein power one mixes into milk or water... it was clumpy and gross.

    then i tried MuscleMilk- which was ok but had a very high fat content

    now i'm trying LeanBody shakes after workouts- 40g of protein per box, award winning taste, seems low fat compared to other brands...
    i started using it because it was the most expensive thing on the shelf by a few cents, it says lean on it, and it had the most protein of any of the shakes.

    that said, is this what i should be drinking after workouts? what are your favorites? why (without getting too technical- i can't follow all that biochem lol)?


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    Nov 25, 2008 4:20 AM GMT
    Bottom line is that for the most part protein is protein. Taking both a before and after workout shake is more important then the type. The before workout shake has been shown to have a bigger anabolic effect then the after workout shake. Personally I use Optimum Nutrition Pro Complex. It tastes great, it dissolves well, is low in fat, and low in carbs (allowing me to get those with the creatine without overdoing the carbs). I mix it with a little skim milk. Thus I end up with whey protein, casein, and egg proteins, for fast, intermediate and slow digesting proteins. This keeps an available amino acid pool available for around 8 hours to keep the anabolic effect going. I have a before workout shake, a post workout shake, a small one first thing in the morning (to blunt AM cortisol raise and muscle breakdown from being in an 8 hour overnight fast), and a small one before bed to prevent muscle break down during the long fast while sleeping.
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    Nov 25, 2008 4:27 AM GMT
    in regards to the clumps, a blender is very important,
    either regular, or one of the stick kind.

    i normally pre-stir with a knife, (easier to scrape off on the side of the cup) and then hit it with a stick blender, this avoids all the nasty lumps stuck on the blender.
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    Nov 25, 2008 4:31 AM GMT
    well, the clumps were so bad, in sticking to the side of the glass, the stirring spoon, and my throat lol, that i've abandoned mix powders... the musclemilk and leanbody shakes i've been using are pre-mixed and come in bottles or carton boxes, respectivly. they taste at least as good as eggnog :p i really like them- was just wondering if they were the professional's choice or if there are extra things i should be looking at.

    also, who can tell me about Endothil? i got a subscription and they seem to work.. but i'm not sure how much of it's placebo effect. if you haven't heard of it they have an easy to find and navigate website...
    seems legit enough...


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    Nov 25, 2008 5:20 AM GMT
    You should give protein powers a second chance..... most people don't have problems with the clumps.....remember they are called 'shakes' not 'stirs'

    - get a good quality shaker(with some kind of strainer or ball),

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/shakers.htm

    - put the appropriate ratio of power to milk or water, I use optimum 100% whey because of the low carbs.

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html


    and shake!



    Simple as that!
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    Nov 25, 2008 6:02 AM GMT
    Wellllll...I think there are a lot of opinions about post-workout nutrition. I found the forums at trueprotein.com to be very educational--some folks there actually consume research published in journals. That doesn't mean they're right--you still need to judge published research results with a hard eye.

    The opinions I choose to believe recommend a fast-acting carb right after a workout, followed about 15-to-20 minutes later by a fast-acting protein. For me, that has been waxy maize starch for the carb and pepto-pro for the protein. Those form the bases of my two post-workout shakes, but there's more in them. (E.g., creatine and BCCAs in the first shake, a bit of whey protein in the second.) This is way too technical and pain in the ass for most guys. But the basic tenets are sound: look for rapid absorption (so no fats) and don't shy away from carbs post-workout.

    I try to eat many meals a day--mostly high in protein. But I don't have unlimited time. One or two of my three mid-day meals is a LeanBody shake, maybe with a handful of nuts. I think they taste great. So I'm not against LeanBody in general--I'm just not enthusiastic about it for post-workout.
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    Nov 25, 2008 12:50 PM GMT
    ya ,czaro..I agree with ynghung...optimum nutrition procomplex mixes pretty well...I shake it with water afer my workouts and don't have a problem with any clumps of gunk making me want to puke. plus the chocolate tastes pretty good.

    you can order it on DPSNutrition.com for pretty cheap, but I'd buy some in a store, a small container first to try it out.

    here's the one I buy currently

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  • Mikeylikesit

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    Nov 25, 2008 1:21 PM GMT
    On the same note. Has anyone ever used Isopure from Natures best?. I have problems to with alot of the skake stuff. =)
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    Nov 25, 2008 1:24 PM GMT
    tommysguns2000 saidya ,czaro..I agree with ynghung...optimum nutrition procomplex mixes pretty well...I shake it with water afer my workouts and don't have a problem with any clumps of gunk making me want to puke. plus the chocolate tastes pretty good.

    you can order it on DPSNutrition.com for pretty cheap, but I'd buy some in a store, a small container first to try it out.

    here's the one I buy currently

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    Ah, but how's the taste?
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    Nov 25, 2008 6:06 PM GMT
    hotversguynnj saidOn the same note. Has anyone ever used Isopure from Natures best?. I have problems to with alot of the skake stuff. =)


    I was just going to recommend Isopure. In my experience, it is the easiest protein to mix and tastes very good. It is also not super filling. You can easily mix it in a shaker cup with no lumps. It is a little on the pricey side, but if you use it once a day, it should last a while.

    In regards to when to use protein shakes, I generally use them after my workout and when I'm using something generally low carb like Isopure (I switch protein powders from time to time), I eat a banana with it. I try to get most of my protein from whole food sources.

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    Nov 25, 2008 6:30 PM GMT
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    hotversguynnj saidOn the same note. Has anyone ever used Isopure from Natures best?. I have problems to with alot of the skake stuff. =)


    I was just going to recommend Isopure. In my experience, it is the easiest protein to mix and tastes very good. It is also not super filling. You can easily mix it in a shaker cup with no lumps. It is a little on the pricey side, but if you use it once a day, it should last a while.

    In regards to when to use protein shakes, I generally use them after my workout and when I'm using something generally low carb like Isopure (I switch protein powders from time to time), I eat a banana with it. I try to get most of my protein from whole food sources.



    Thanks for your advice, I will try isopure & let ya know how it goes. I know i dont get nowheres near enuff protein in my diet.
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    Nov 25, 2008 7:25 PM GMT
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    IDS New-Whey Liquid Protein is a compact, highly bioavailable liquid protein beverage. Each 3 oz. serving provides 42 grams of protein, 176 calories, 2 grams carbs, no sugar and is fortified with vitamins & minerals. New-Whey is packaged in an easily portable 3.1 fluid oz. virtually unbreakable plastic vial. No refrigeration is needed - just pour over ice, or chill before drinking. Absolutely delicious!

    I use this...especially after a workout and since I am trying to actually lose weight lol I am not taking it consistently ..just on very hard days ..like Saturdays for me when I practice 2 hours of volleyball and workout too.

    I have read many reviews by other users and no one seems to say anything bad about it..its convenient for me since I am not really into shakes or drinking large amounts after a work out ....I supplement this with a reg meal so I can get a really good amount of protein balanced with carbs and fats from the meal itself.
    oh....it doesn't taste that great but for such a small amount it's worth just gulping down...it's just too sweet for me...but some compare it to jello.

    Hope that helps...
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    Nov 25, 2008 7:48 PM GMT
    Protein shakes DO work for sure, but do realize that in clinical nutrition research projects that they amount to a difference of around 4%. In other words, if you've got the money then sure buy and use them because what someone not on shakes accomplishes in 20 months you can accomplish in 19 months!

    But if the differences in progress taking 20 months instead of 19 months isn't that important to you, then no need to ingest them.

    Also, be careful of ingredients in these. First, you've got a lot of soy protein in some of them which may not be wise based on emerging research. Second, often the ingredients come from China and while I welcome our US' service-based economy and have nothing against manufacturing in China, China's food ingredients are often highly suspect (see stories about the literally poisonous additives used in their milk). Many companies import these ingredients because it's far cheaper to do so. FYI.

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    Nov 25, 2008 7:50 PM GMT
    BTW, the above comments assume that you're already eating a healthy well-balanced diet full of vegetables, fresh fruits, and quality protein sources in moderation such as grilled salmon, eggs, some milk/yogurt, etc.

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    Nov 25, 2008 7:52 PM GMT
    americanjustin saidProtein shakes DO work for sure, but do realize that in clinical nutrition research projects that they amount to a difference of around 4%. In other words, if you've got the money then sure buy and use them because what someone not on shakes accomplishes in 20 months you can accomplish in 19 months!

    But if the differences in progress taking 20 months instead of 19 months isn't that important to you, then no need to ingest them.

    Also, be careful of ingredients in these. First, you've got a lot of soy protein in some of them which may not be wise based on emerging research. Second, often the ingredients come from China and while I welcome our US' service-based economy and have nothing against manufacturing in China, China's food ingredients are often highly suspect (see stories about the literally poisonous additives used in their milk). Many companies import these ingredients because it's far cheaper to do so. FYI.

    Thanks for the info....that helped put my protein intake into perspective..
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    Nov 25, 2008 7:54 PM GMT
    If you're not doing adequate cardio, you'll get a little flabby, period.

    Get yourself a blender for your shakes, consume at least 40g of protein before your workout, and another 40+ g immediately after.

    Don't sweat fat content: you need a little bit or you won't be able to poop (think of it as "lube"). As long as you aren't going over 8g per 40g serving, you're doing just fine, but don't sweat it if you are. Weight lifting is, after all, exceedingly intense and judging by your weight, you need to be packing some meat on anyway.

    You'll also want to get a minimum of 60g of complex carbs and about 40g of simple carbs after your workout or you'll start losing weight and cannibalizing your muscle proteins.

    You'll also cannibalize your muscle proteins if you aren't getting 200g of protein a day while weight training, but if you get up to 300g, you'll override your body's natural protein-recycling processes and gain extra muscle. Eating more protein doesn't make you fat, either, it just makes you poop more.

    Carbs are another story, but you have to eat vast amounts to be able to get fat while weight training. If you really want to gain weight, get about 200g of complex carbs and 100g of simple carbs a day, aiming for intake of simple carbs before and after periods of high activity.

    The single best source of protein is pork because it's the most similar to human proteins. Don't be afraid to eat red meat, and you'll want to be sure you're getting fish regularly and plenty of chicken (it's the cheapest, but you'll want to get on some Metamucil because it blocks you up.) You'll also want the majority of your calories to come from solid sources or you're going to have the runs all the time.
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    Nov 26, 2008 5:57 AM GMT
    Hey czarodzie this is interesting well if you dont like these powders then you should give Jay Robbs whey or egg protien powders a try they taste great with water or you can mix it with yogurt. Right now for protien i use vegetable protien its called ultimate greens protien 8 in 1 with hemp protien,vanilla bannana berry flavor. I use this now mostly instead of the animal protiens. Over time you can gain weight with protien powders so be careful how much you consume them.I find that mens health magazine,and maximum fitness magazine has great articles and recipes about this subject. Oh and by the way i can`t promise you you will like the taste of vegetable protien powders but at least give it a try. I have tried the lean body shakes too they taste great but you also have to watch out for the colesterol and carbs. Another plant protien to try is called vega complete whole food health optimizer,like i said i can`t promise you will like the taste. This has 26 grams of protien per serving,i buy these products at Sprouts market or the vitamin shoppe. If you want more info visit www.thrivediet.com