Your Thoughts on "The Government Shutdown"

  • WrestlerBoy

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    Oct 03, 2013 2:04 AM GMT
    An Op-Ed in today's "El Tiempo" newspaper here in Bogotá, Colombia hits the nail right on the head.

    The Republicans have finally done it: The United States might be the biggest "banana republic" in the world.... but no less a banana republic.



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    Oct 03, 2013 2:17 AM GMT
    Teabaggers

    Hijackers

    Extortionists

    Obstructionists

    Gun to our head

    Jihad

    Terrorists

    Republicans want children to die of cancer. Oh wait, no Harry Reid announced today that he doesn't care. To be specific:

    DANA BASH (CNN): "If you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn’t you do it?," Bash asked.

    HARRY REID (DEMOCRAT-NV) "Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own."

  • Timbales

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    Oct 03, 2013 2:21 AM GMT
    I think both the parties are more interested in keeping their cushy elected positions, consolidating their power and pissing contests than anything that could benefit US citizens. Anyone who 100% blames anyone in this situation is a moron.
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    Oct 03, 2013 2:25 AM GMT
    Timbales saidI think both the parties are more interested in keeping their cushy elected positions, consolidating their power and pissing contests than anything that could benefit US citizens. Anyone who 100% blames anyone in this situation is a moron.


    An excellent observation of which I agree.

    Please don't confuse my lack of posting anything negative against the Republican side as my 100% support for what they are doing. I post what I do to try and bring just a tiny bit of balance to what is a website with a heavy dose of anti-Republican, pro-Democrat posts.
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    Oct 03, 2013 3:16 AM GMT
    They have certainly shattered the image of the US as a politically stable country. Some say the Democrats have to stand firm to prevent this from happening again. I believe it will happen again no matter how this crisis is resolved. We were the last stable Presidential Democracy. Now we aren't.

    I never dreamed I'd see the day our system of government crumbled.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Oct 03, 2013 3:18 AM GMT
    We have methods of repealing "Laws of the Land" we don't like: You get a majority, you vote, you repeal the law. That's called..... repealing the law.

    You don't "shut the government down" because you don't "like" the Law of the Land.

    Count me in with the morons blaming the Republicans 100%.

  • musclmed

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    Oct 03, 2013 3:23 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy saidAn Op-Ed in today's "El Tiempo" newspaper here in Bogotá, Colombia hits the nail right on the head.

    The Republicans have finally done it: The United States might be the biggest "banana republic" in the world.... but no less a banana republic.


    Good point, your right. Time to throttle back and not send the billions of dollars of aid in the coming years to Columbia.

    Can you let "them" know how bad things are and not to expect the US aid.

  • WrestlerBoy

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    Oct 03, 2013 3:28 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy saidAn Op-Ed in today's "El Tiempo" newspaper here in Bogotá, Colombia hits the nail right on the head.

    The Republicans have finally done it: The United States might be the biggest "banana republic" in the world.... but no less a banana republic.


    Good point, your right. Time to throttle back and not send the billions of dollars of aid in the coming years to Columbia.

    Can you let "them" know how bad things are and not to expect the US aid.



    Do you think your remark makes COLOMBIANS look stupid? Or us? :-)

    As I was told only last night...."Nobody cares what the United States thinks anymore...but if they want to keep throwing their money at us...."

    Again...who's looking more.....stupid?
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    Oct 03, 2013 3:34 AM GMT


    Byron York of the very conservative Washington Times writes that most Republicans didn't want this shutdown either but the House majority is now under the control of 30-40 of the Tea Party House Republicans.

    Will the saner Republicans retake the asylum?
  • musclmed

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    Oct 03, 2013 3:36 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy saidAn Op-Ed in today's "El Tiempo" newspaper here in Bogotá, Colombia hits the nail right on the head.

    The Republicans have finally done it: The United States might be the biggest "banana republic" in the world.... but no less a banana republic.


    Good point, your right. Time to throttle back and not send the billions of dollars of aid in the coming years to Columbia.

    Can you let "them" know how bad things are and not to expect the US aid.



    Do you think your remark makes COLOMBIANS look stupid? Or us? :-)

    As I was told only last night...."Nobody cares what the United States thinks anymore...but if they want to keep throwing their money at us...."

    Again...who's looking more.....stupid?


    I am basically agreeing with what you said. I think from your frame of reference it maybe important what someone "told you last night". The 17 other government shutdowns didnt seem to prevent anyone from cashing checks before.

    Considering it doesn't seem to be making a difference anyway. The money is best spent somewhere else. I would back Obama 100% percent if he redirected that money and just gave it out on the white house lawn.

    Its 300 or so million less the debt ceiling needs to be raised and billions down the road.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Oct 03, 2013 3:39 AM GMT
    NewMtler said

    Byron York of the very conservative Washington Times writes that most Republicans didn't want this shutdown either but the House majority is now under the control of 30-40 of the Tea Party House Republicans.

    Will the saner Republicans retake the asylum?


    That seems to be the generally accepted stat, yes, about 35 people controlling a Federal Congress of 535 members.

    But hey, we're Americans: If Wyoming and Montana (combined population 1.6 million people) with their four senators can control (or at least "balance") New York's and California's four senators (combined population 60 million people), what's "undemocratic" about that?





  • WrestlerBoy

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    Oct 03, 2013 3:42 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy said
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy saidAn Op-Ed in today's "El Tiempo" newspaper here in Bogotá, Colombia hits the nail right on the head.

    The Republicans have finally done it: The United States might be the biggest "banana republic" in the world.... but no less a banana republic.


    Good point, your right. Time to throttle back and not send the billions of dollars of aid in the coming years to Columbia.

    Can you let "them" know how bad things are and not to expect the US aid.



    Do you think your remark makes COLOMBIANS look stupid? Or us? :-)

    As I was told only last night...."Nobody cares what the United States thinks anymore...but if they want to keep throwing their money at us...."

    Again...who's looking more.....stupid?


    I am basically agreeing with what you said. I think from your frame of reference it maybe important what someone "told you last night". The 17 other government shutdowns didnt seem to prevent anyone from cashing checks before.

    Considering it doesn't seem to be making a difference anyway. The money is best spent somewhere else. I would back Obama 100% percent if he redirected that money and just gave it out on the white house lawn.

    Its 300 or so million less the debt ceiling needs to be raised and billions down the road.


    The British Ambassador to Colombia told me.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 03, 2013 3:49 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy said
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy said


    The British Ambassador to Colombia told me.



    Great, you have a contact, maybe start some negotiations. Maybe the brits can help out Columbia.

    The U.S. is out of money. And the British ambassador may want to consult a history book which shows the US government had been shutdown 17 times since Carter. These shutdowns occured for more ridiculous things and 1 or 2 times from just laziness, and also I cant forget "abortion".
    The world didn't end.

    My political philosophy ends at the U.S border, which means I would support Obama(the President) if he burned the money on a Aircraft carrier off the coast of Columbia.

    September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days): President Gerald Ford vetoed a bill that Departments of Education and of Health and Human Services sponsored. He claimed it did not limit spending adequately enough.

    September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days): Democratic Senate wanted to loosen Medicaid restrictions to pay for abortions in cases of rape and incest, whereas the Democratic House insisted that money only be used to fund abortions in which the mother’s life is in danger.

    October 31 to November, 9, 1977 (8 days): The temporary bill that ended the shutdown two weeks before had expired so another temporary bill was signed to extend congressional negotiations.
    November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days): Yet again, this one revolves around abortion. After the temporary bill expired for the second time, Congress was finally forced to resolve the problem. Congress decided to allow Medicaid to fund abortions for rape, incest, and when the mother’s life is in danger.

    September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 days): President Jimmy Carter rejected funding for nuclear-powered aircraft carrier and vetoed a public works appropriations bill because he considered both wasteful. There was also another dispute over (you guessed it) abortion.

    September 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days): For the fifth time, the same abortion debate caused this shutdown, as well as dispute over the Democratic House wanting to raise congressional and senior civil servant pay by 5.5 percent.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Oct 03, 2013 3:51 AM GMT
    Nobody cares what we, or you, think anymore, is the outcome of this shutdown.... which makes it different from the others.

    Maybe try thinking "beyond US borders"...for once.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Oct 03, 2013 3:53 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy said
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy said
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy said


    The British Ambassador to Colombia told me.



    Great, you have a contact, maybe start some negotiations. Maybe the brits can help out Columbia.

    The U.S. is out of money. And the British ambassador may want to consult a history book which shows the US government had been shutdown 17 times since Carter. These shutdowns occured for more ridiculous things and 1 or 2 times from just laziness, and also I cant forget "abortion".
    The world didn't end.

    My political philosophy ends at the U.S border, which means I would support Obama(the President) if he burned the money on a Aircraft carrier off the coast of Columbia.

    September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days): President Gerald Ford vetoed a bill that Departments of Education and of Health and Human Services sponsored. He claimed it did not limit spending adequately enough.

    September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days): Democratic Senate wanted to loosen Medicaid restrictions to pay for abortions in cases of rape and incest, whereas the Democratic House insisted that money only be used to fund abortions in which the mother’s life is in danger.

    October 31 to November, 9, 1977 (8 days): The temporary bill that ended the shutdown two weeks before had expired so another temporary bill was signed to extend congressional negotiations.
    November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days): Yet again, this one revolves around abortion. After the temporary bill expired for the second time, Congress was finally forced to resolve the problem. Congress decided to allow Medicaid to fund abortions for rape, incest, and when the mother’s life is in danger.

    September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 days): President Jimmy Carter rejected funding for nuclear-powered aircraft carrier and vetoed a public works appropriations bill because he considered both wasteful. There was also another dispute over (you guessed it) abortion.

    September 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days): For the fifth time, the same abortion debate caused this shutdown, as well as dispute over the Democratic House wanting to raise congressional and senior civil servant pay by 5.5 percent.


    You've now done it three times, so I am assuming it isn't a typo: ColOmbia.

    And they don't need any help; the economy here is doing just fine, again, unlike ours.

    And surely you meant the Brit Ambassador has a contact, in me, not the other way around :-)
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    Oct 03, 2013 3:54 AM GMT
    There's always enough blame to go around for political problems, but this shutdown is the doing of House Republicans. Let's not forget that Newt Gingrich shutdown the government on Clinton, because Clinton wouldn't let him ride on a plane.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 03, 2013 4:00 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy saidNobody cares what we, or you, think anymore, is the outcome of this shutdown.... which makes it different from the others.

    Maybe try thinking "beyond US borders"...for once.


    On a list #999- what a Op Ed in "El Tiempo" says about the United States.

    Maybe if that energy invested in the "El tiempo" op ed was put to solving Columbias desperate poor living in slums something would get accomplished.


    Meanwhile, back at the ranch..... Another judge murdered in Bogota.
    http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=353102&CategoryId=12393

    Save the sanctimony, it comes from very weak moral ground.

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    Oct 03, 2013 4:00 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]franktats said[/cite]Teabaggers

    Hijackers

    Extortionists

    Obstructionists

    Gun to our head

    Jihad

    Terrorists


    you forgot Sociopaths- the antisocial personality disorder

    Antisocial personality disorder is a mental health condition in which a person has a long-term pattern of manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others. This behavior is often criminal.

    a more in depth, medical look
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001919/#adam_000921.disease.treatment
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Oct 03, 2013 4:05 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy saidNobody cares what we, or you, think anymore, is the outcome of this shutdown.... which makes it different from the others.

    Maybe try thinking "beyond US borders"...for once.


    On a list #999- what a Op Ed in "El Tiempo" says about the United States.

    Maybe if that energy invested in the "El tiempo" op ed was put to solving Columbias desperate poor something would get accomplished.


    Meanwhile, back at the ranch..... Another judge murdered in Bogota.
    http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=353102&CategoryId=12393

    Save the sanctimony, it comes from very weak moral ground.

    Peace outicon_smile.gif


    When YOUR tax money is providing the $2 billion a year to Plan ColOmbia.... 90% of which goes right back to US arms manufacturers providing ColOmbia with weapons to carry out all of "its" crimes? Re-examine your own moral high ground, hypocrite.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 03, 2013 4:13 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy saidNobody cares what we, or you, think anymore, is the outcome of this shutdown.... which makes it different from the others.

    Maybe try thinking "beyond US borders"...for once.


    On a list #999- what a Op Ed in "El Tiempo" says about the United States.

    Maybe if that energy invested in the "El tiempo" op ed was put to solving Columbias desperate poor something would get accomplished.


    Meanwhile, back at the ranch..... Another judge murdered in Bogota.
    http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=353102&CategoryId=12393

    Save the sanctimony, it comes from very weak moral ground.

    Peace outicon_smile.gif


    When YOUR tax money is providing the $2 billion a year to Plan ColOmbia.... 90% of which goes right back to US arms manufacturers providing ColOmbia with weapons to carry out all of "its" crimes? Re-examine your own moral high ground, hypocrite.


    I agree with you , it all should stop. But in turn I could care less what some British ambassador says in some far away outpost.

    Really , criticizing our democratic process, from a place in the world where the judiciary are kidnapped and murdered as a everyday practice?

    So we dont spend money we dont have on Colombian foreign aide and weapons and then you can become the FARC spokesman.

    I am 100% for ColOmbians doing whatever it wants.

    Picked up on the U eh? Columbia is reference /personification of the US.

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  • musclmed

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    Oct 03, 2013 4:20 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy said
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy said
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy said
    musclmed said
    WrestlerBoy said


    The British Ambassador to Colombia told me.



    And surely you meant the Brit Ambassador has a contact, in me, not the other way around :-)


    None of your threads are complete without your continued self aggrandizement . So I guess we are done here.
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    Oct 03, 2013 4:41 AM GMT
    WrestlerBoy saidNobody cares what we, or you, think anymore, is the outcome of this shutdown.... which makes it different from the others.

    Maybe try thinking "beyond US borders"...for once.


    I tried that. No traction; they didn't get it.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Oct 03, 2013 4:45 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    WrestlerBoy saidNobody cares what we, or you, think anymore, is the outcome of this shutdown.... which makes it different from the others.

    Maybe try thinking "beyond US borders"...for once.


    I tried that. No traction; they didn't get it.


    Do I know it.
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    Oct 03, 2013 4:52 AM GMT
    I want to watch the Republicans self-immolate.
  • WrestlerBoy

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    Oct 03, 2013 4:57 AM GMT
    Yes, my only fear is that they've got us all locked in the same room with them where they're doing the self-immolating.