Some guys and their constant fitness advice.

  • MikemikeMike

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    Nov 25, 2008 8:22 AM GMT
    It makes me laugh when the same guys are in here giving fitness advice and they are so out of shape, pudgy and some even fat. Get verified and practice what you preach!! I don't want to hear the BS age excuse. I'm 43 and there are alot of guys on here in their 30,s 40,s and 50,s in great shape. Save your advice for yourself!! Spend less time in here and more working out, or at least playing sports.
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    Nov 25, 2008 5:41 PM GMT
    ha i will agree that there's at least one guy i can think who overflows with a deluge of nutritional advice in convoluted paragraphs, and with other such training advice for maximizing ability... but who's body just isn't that impressive himself. he's not that big or 'cut' despite seeming to know so much lol- hard to take the advice seriously :p

    but then again, that IS what this site's primarily for (i think)- fitness advice from one to another. im glad its available, and i'm glad for most of the input i read here icon_smile.gif
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    Nov 25, 2008 5:48 PM GMT
    How about the guys at the gym that are "talking" workout from the time you go in to the time you leave. The funny part they get dressed in workout clothes to do it.
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    Nov 25, 2008 6:18 PM GMT
    It's even worse when they are a trainer at a gym. When I lived in Hawaii, the gym I used to go to, the trainers were not in the best shape..actually, they were not in good shape. One of them I saw at the beach and he had a big gut and moobs. Certainly not good for motivation.
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    Nov 25, 2008 9:24 PM GMT
    haha yeah i've seen that in gyms before- or even guys online who say they're studying to be fitness trainers or physical therapists... but really don't look like the paradigms of fitness themselves... its certainly discouraging.
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    Nov 25, 2008 9:37 PM GMT
    Well, having the knowledge and putting it into practice are two separate things.

    That said, if I were a personal trainer I would feel obligated to keep myself in the best shape possible. It's your job, essentially--and a trainer's body is his best advertising.

    And yet I've also met guys with absolutely stunning bodies who don't seem capable of explaining how they got that way. LOL
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    Nov 25, 2008 9:46 PM GMT
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  • cowboyathlete

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    Nov 25, 2008 10:11 PM GMT
    You got that right. There is one fat guy at my gym who can be great fun - when he is there. However, I almost went off on him the day he thought I was doing incline bench too fast. I wanted to suggest that he stop eating a pizza a day.

    On the other hand, if someone first asks a question, that is a whole different scenario. I use a Manta Ray on leg day, and whenever someone asks me about it I am more than happy to talk about it - but I never make the first move.
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    Nov 25, 2008 10:40 PM GMT
    What photoshop job?
  • GQjock

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    Nov 26, 2008 12:14 PM GMT
    You take the advice from whence it comes ...

    but I do have to say
    I've had some Really shitty advice from some really built guys too
    so where does that go in this scenario?
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    Nov 26, 2008 3:13 PM GMT
    Mike, I know exactly what you mean. Or is it who you mean??

    I bet if a thread was started on the gravitational flow of toilet water, a certain member would have a detailed explanation. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 26, 2008 6:56 PM GMT
    heh...guys, take it easy, some people that look fat and out of shape today were great bodybuilders before. Some others just studied about it cause they want to look good but its just hard sometimes cause the BODY response to the exercise is different among us, some guys get big or loose weight in no time, some other guys dont even see the difference after 5 months working out.

    Many guys that look really good, they just go to the gym and at first they do whatever, they just want to get big and they start doing just the first routine they found on a random fitness magazine. Somehow this works for them, cause they have a good response to the work out, but that doesn't they know more than uncle Albert just cause he is way too fat. Cause believe it or not uncle Albert has spent more time doing research than these guys icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 26, 2008 7:30 PM GMT
    Some of the most brilliant minds in the fitness industry don't necessarily look the type.
    Just because some people don't fit the profile doesn't mean they don't know a great deal about the body.
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    Nov 26, 2008 7:36 PM GMT
    Ryko saidSome of the most brilliant minds in the fitness industry don't necessarily look the type.
    Just because some people don't fit the profile doesn't mean they don't know a great deal about the body.


    thats my point, its like saying that a physicist doesnt know anything about the processes involved when riding a horse just cause he's never ridden a horse before.
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    Nov 26, 2008 7:40 PM GMT
    This logic would render every wrestling and training coach I had a fraud.
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    Nov 26, 2008 7:56 PM GMT
    Logan and I were just talking about this.

    Sports science, like all science, is an evolving thing.

    That being said, anexoric 20 year old, or a fat and pudgey, 25 year old trainer are hard to take advice from, especially if you're coming from the perspective of someone who has more than 3 decades of experience. It can be difficult to have confidence in an 18 year old who is under-weight telling some fat person how to do a weight loss program. They simply do not have enough hours on the planet to give sound advice in many instances. On the other hand, a national champion coach may be "out of it", and still have an intricate understanding of "the game", but, with a basis in older technology, and older science. You have to decide for yourself what you want to go with, and really dig into the science.

    I have a friend with a degree in sports science, though, and with some things, his advice is sound. However, I have another friend with a degree in nutrition and the stuff he does is beyond stupid.

    I have another friend who is a competitive bodybuilder, and starves in his contest diet. That's how his old-timer coach taught him. He came to me, and I got him eating, and got him dried out, and got him a 3'rd place The Europa Super Show. Had he carbed up the way I asked him to, he likely would have placed higher. (I bring my calories UP, when I'm leaning out. It's all science.)

    Folks want an easy pill; a catch-all solution; they often don't want the truth about their idols, etc. They don't want to believe that folks that they idolize are creations of smart training, good genetcis, and really good sports science, implmenting the latest technologies.

    We were just talking, minutes ago, about how folks would rather take some junk from the nutrition store, than take something that's real, natural and that WORKS. You can't tell them (the person asking the question) anything, a lot of times.

    Folks are NOT logical, nor truthful, as anyone who has been around a while can tell you.

    Other folks, are beyond lazy, and never do a thing for themselves...research...study...workouts...etc.

    There's a bunch of just plain garbage that floats around about how to get big, lean, fit, and so on. We were talking last night about how some of the things posted here are so far from being correct as to beyond laughable (I'm talking the forumns, and not the articles).

    I'm a firm believer in applying good science to good health, and, I'm proof positive that it works.

    My fourth biggest frustation is those who lie blatantly to young folks about why they look like they do.

    My third biggest frustration is folks pushing junk that doesn't work, and they know nothing about, and that is clearing unnatural. There's so much crap floating around in nutrition stores that it's amazing.

    My second biggest frustration is those who are completely clueless, ignore quality science, and go with hype and marketing.

    My biggest frustation, however, is the haters.....those who suck at it; won't change their plan to a winning one, and lash out in jealousy / projection.

    Those of us who are life-long, high-level, advanced athletes, get there via not just one method..but several:.science...genes...hard work...smart training.

    I think I'm more inclined to listen to someone with a track record, and someone who lives the life.

    We do it because it makes us feel good. The haters miss that point completely. Whether you're a top-shape bodybuilders, or a competitive marathon runner, you understand the discipline, and hard work of going there. It also makes you feel good. It's called hitting "the zone." Most neophytes have no clue about the zone. Some will never know it.

    My first trainer, Sagi Kalev, was awesome. Sagi is the most photographed sports / fitness model in the world. Sagi has been on the cover of Muscle and Fitness, and Muscle Mag more than any man alive. He also is a great guy, and expert at what he does. ( http://www.sagikalev.com) I learned more than one trick from Sagi, and we are good friends today. At 38, Sagi shows than you CAN do it well into middle age, and at 48, I show you that you that you don't have to be a fat, out-of-shape, med-gobbling, guy, but, you can continue to improve. The proof is in the science. Sagi and I lifted together for about four months (he offered to train me for free if I couldn't afford it...realizing my potential...and...being the nice guy he is...)

    I'd pick someone with a track record that's not pushing nutrition store garbage, and that isn't afraid to show their face, dig in, and train with you, and so on.

    One other comment about Sagi: Sig surrounds himself with experts. His entourage includes the very best of whatever discpline...law,...IT....health...dentist. Sig knows how to make a plan for success, execute it, and come out on top. That's the kind of trainer you should find.
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    Nov 26, 2008 8:22 PM GMT
    Just a follow-up to Chucky's great post. You're never too old to learn. I suspect (but can't prove) the the most successful athletes with a lot of experience have reached their level in part because they keep looking at new research, they are open-minded about new ideas in training, and they keep experimenting with their own diet and exercise regimens to explore what works. I hope I'm never so confident in my own abilites and acheivements that I stop wanting to know more.

    (Also, I'm totally envious that you trained with Sagi.)
  • josephmovie

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    Nov 26, 2008 8:23 PM GMT
    From my experience, personal trainers are the worst for giving out bad advice, or for simply not knowing what to do at all. I had one do a program for me that obviously wasn't working (after 6 months) and when I asked her why it wasn't she replied "I really don't know". Other classic quotes from her were:

    Me: "What's a good whey supplement"
    Trainer: "Just go to GNC and ask them"

    Me: "How do I get rid of my little gut?"
    Trainer: "Eat 25% less"

    Me: "My biceps are looking a bit soft"
    Trainer: "Get a fake tan"

    All that time I wasted....
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    Nov 26, 2008 8:29 PM GMT
    I know there are a lot of bad trainers working in gyms. I see them at my gym and wish I could take their clients aside and warn them. Eeek. But there are good trainers out there, too. Continuing the thought in my previous post, I'd add that a lot of high-ranking amateur and pro bodybuilders have trainers. At this level, trainers are often more about diet and posing guidance (and bringing up weak spots) than about how to perform squats. But the mentor-mentee relationship is still there, and the trainer at this level needs to know his shit.
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    Nov 26, 2008 8:33 PM GMT
    josephmovie saidFrom my experience, personal trainers are the worst for giving out bad advice, or for simply not knowing what to do at all. I had one do a program for me that obviously wasn't working (after 6 months) and when I asked her why it wasn't she replied "I really don't know". Other classic quotes from her were:

    Me: "What's a good whey supplement"
    Trainer: "Just go to GNC and ask them"

    Me: "How do I get rid of my little gut?"
    Trainer: "Eat 25% less"

    Me: "My biceps are looking a bit soft"
    Trainer: "Get a fake tan"

    All that time I wasted....


    Working with a personal trainer can be tremendously beneficial for a number of reasons. However it's up to the consumer to do research and interview the trainer (and not assume that s/he's qualified to work with you because they are employed at your gym). Most people hire a trainer blindly which can be a big mistake.
  • josephmovie

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    Nov 26, 2008 8:44 PM GMT
    I should say that I also had one personal trainer who was awesome. But you are right, just because they work in a gym doesn't mean you should just assume they know what they're doing.
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    Nov 26, 2008 9:15 PM GMT
    Some personal trainers are driven my commission sales; others by reputation; others are clueless; but...others by reputation Sagi Kalev, and Jesse Leyva (both trainers of mine) work on a reputation for training champions, and..., they do.

    Trainers aside (trainers are SUPPOSED to be qualified), I take much advice with an open-mind, and if it merits more study, I do. Some folks...in fact many, don't think for 2 seconds...Dumb questions, like how do I gain weight? Answer: you eat. And so on.

    I spend and have spent hours upon hours studying stuff.

    I take what I feel is the best from everyone and set the rest aside.
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    Nov 26, 2008 9:25 PM GMT
    At my gym there is this coach screaming at a girls water polo team for one more push up or criticizing them for skipping the last session.

    Thing is he has a 40 inch waist and stands there chugging gatorade.


    In fact I notice athletic Coachs are often out of shape....


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    Nov 26, 2008 9:34 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidIt makes me laugh when the same guys are in here giving fitness advice and they are so out of shape, pudgy and some even fat. Get verified and practice what you preach!! I don't want to hear the BS age excuse. I'm 43 and there are alot of guys on here in their 30,s 40,s and 50,s in great shape. Save your advice for yourself!! Spend less time in here and more working out, or at least playing sports.



    43??? But good sir, your faceless profile says your 38? Could you be a fake good sir?
  • Mikeylikesit

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    Nov 26, 2008 9:40 PM GMT
    Sportzdog said
    MikemikeMike saidIt makes me laugh when the same guys are in here giving fitness advice and they are so out of shape, pudgy and some even fat. Get verified and practice what you preach!! I don't want to hear the BS age excuse. I'm 43 and there are alot of guys on here in their 30,s 40,s and 50,s in great shape. Save your advice for yourself!! Spend less time in here and more working out, or at least playing sports.



    43??? But good sir, your faceless profile says your 38? Could you be a fake good sir?




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