Bitch culture

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    Oct 04, 2013 4:35 PM GMT
    Why are so many gay men into praising " bitchy " attitudes ? I Was at a gay club and when they made announcements it was always " hey all you bitches !!!" . Even here on " real jock " bitchy posters are praised for smart ass comments and bitchiness ... My question is Why ? When did this start, and why is this seen as an acceptable thing ? Are you attracted to men with these qualities ?
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    Oct 04, 2013 4:39 PM GMT


    When I came out in 1975 there was lots of campy bitchyness.

    Here's one,"You're good and kind. Good for nothing and kind of dumb."
    and another,
    "Go get your face slapped."


    However, I notice the term bitches is now freely used by gay men, straight men, straight women, and lesbians to refer to others and themselves. Interesting.
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    Oct 04, 2013 4:40 PM GMT
    failscarf saidI may have to take away your gay card for this thread.
    But if you don't actually know, being bitchy comes with the territory of being gay.


    No, it doesn't and really you wouldn't know. icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 04, 2013 4:56 PM GMT
    CopperDevil saidAre you attracted to men with these qualities ?

    NO.

    ETA: I can find it amusing in *very* limited quantities but attractive, hell no.
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    Oct 04, 2013 5:13 PM GMT
    If people didn't appreciate smartass comments there'd have never been an Algonquin Round Table. "High" wit was celebrated through the '60s when people actually aspired to be like, or at least respected, game show panelists comprised of playwrights, columnists, theatre people and socialites - anyone remember those? "Vulgar" wit, even on the DL, is always in style.

    But unless it were funny or clever I can't explain why bitchy (bad) behavior is celebrated.

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    Oct 04, 2013 5:22 PM GMT
    eagermuscle saidIf people didn't appreciate smartass comments (wit) there'd have never been an Algonquin Round Table.

    Unless it were funny or clever I can't explain why bitchy (bad) behavior is celebrated.



    Especially here where a good majority of profiles have statements like " only masculine mature men " but somehow the bitch attitudes have still managed to dominate threads and forums and gay populations in general ...I just dont understand. Alot of gay men say they are not attracted to and want nothing to do with that type of personality but yet and still its reigns supreme
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    Oct 04, 2013 5:29 PM GMT
    After being bullied their whole lives some gay men have employed bitchiness as a defense mechanism.

    Only weak cowardly gay men revere bitchy people because they cannot stand up for themselves.
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    Oct 04, 2013 5:30 PM GMT
    you lookin good & good & fierce.
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    Oct 04, 2013 5:31 PM GMT
    Globetrotter25 saidAfter being bullied their whole lives some gay men have employed bitchiness as a defense mechanism. Only weak cowardly gay men revere bitchy people because they cannot stand up for themselves.

    They first sentence *may* have some merit but you went too far with the second, IMO.

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    Oct 04, 2013 5:32 PM GMT
    Globetrotter25 saidAfter being bullied their whole lives some gay men have employed bitchiness as a defense mechanism. Only weak cowardly gay men revere bitchy people because they cannot stand up for themselves.


    incorrect blanket statement.
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    Oct 04, 2013 5:42 PM GMT
    MikeW said
    Globetrotter25 saidAfter being bullied their whole lives some gay men have employed bitchiness as a defense mechanism. Only weak cowardly gay men revere bitchy people because they cannot stand up for themselves.

    They first sentence *may* have some merit but you went too far with the second, IMO.



    In the second sentence I was referring only to the gay men that revere bitchy people, not all gay men.
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    Oct 04, 2013 5:43 PM GMT
    Globetrotter25 said

    Only weak cowardly gay men revere bitchy people because they cannot stand up for themselves.


    This is not about " fearing " bitchy people. Wrong emotion, its more irritating and trashy then anything.
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    Oct 04, 2013 5:54 PM GMT
    fable said
    Globetrotter25 saidAfter being bullied their whole lives some gay men have employed bitchiness as a defense mechanism. Only weak cowardly gay men revere bitchy people because they cannot stand up for themselves.


    incorrect blanket statement.


    It was not a blanket statement, but it may be incorrect as it's only my opinion.
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    Oct 04, 2013 6:06 PM GMT
    CopperDevil said
    Globetrotter25 said

    Only weak cowardly gay men revere bitchy people because they cannot stand up for themselves.


    This is not about " fearing " bitchy people. Wrong emotion, its more irritating and trashy then anything.


    No, I meant some gay men 'idolize' bitchy persona's because they view them as people who stand up for themselves. I'm referring to people with bitchy attitudes, not slutty guysicon_lol.gif
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    Oct 04, 2013 6:11 PM GMT
    CopperDevil, would you agree that the bitchy attitude you're describing and finding problematic is an expression of psychological anger, possibly even rage? That's the way I see it; whether it is done for laughs or whether it is done for showing off or what have you, under the conscious 'reason' or 'excuse' there is anger and rage fueling the attitude.

    If that is the case then the next question is, why does this anger and rage get expressed in *that* particular way?
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    Oct 04, 2013 6:17 PM GMT
    Bitch used to call out bullshit but devolved instead to slinging it.
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    Oct 04, 2013 7:06 PM GMT
    MikeW saidCopperDevil, would you agree that the bitchy attitude you're describing and finding problematic is an expression of psychological anger, possibly even rage? That's the way I see it; whether it is done for laughs or whether it is done for showing off or what have you, under the conscious 'reason' or 'excuse' there is anger and rage fueling the attitude.

    If that is the case then the next question is, why does this anger and rage get expressed in *that* particular way?


    I guess so, but thats no reason to take it out on random people, especially when we are fighting for rights and respect from straights. I think if the world outside of gayness knew how ugly things get in the gay communities they'd use this against gay people,but who can blame them ? I think its very hypocritical to expect other people to show respect if there is none shown in our own community
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    Oct 04, 2013 7:08 PM GMT
    OOOOH GURL.

    Some forms of bitchiness is hilarious... others are downright rude. It depends on the person and what their intent is.
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    Oct 04, 2013 7:24 PM GMT
    It's hilarious for some situations, but a lot of the times it comes off as annoying. I guess it's just how that person is, but they shouldn't be doing it to be mean. Although a lot of things in the gay community confuse the hell out of me.
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    Oct 04, 2013 8:21 PM GMT
    look at how well it turns out for me. bitch slap icon_eek.gif

    a little bitchy for shit and giggles,aite but for the whole time probably not a really attractive personality

    sad how it's the same anywhere in the world. more love people. i suppose i will just surrender my gay card now for not bein bitchy enough
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    Oct 04, 2013 8:27 PM GMT
    maybe you are going to the wrong bars
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    Oct 04, 2013 8:35 PM GMT
    To be a "bitch" is like really in right now. Bitch culture is def celebrated in the gay community, obvs. .

    There's this assumption that if you're bitchy it means you've got it all figured out... Real gay bitches wanna be hot, fun, and envied. A bitch is quick and owns whatever situation they're in.

    They wear the best clothes, they associate with other hot, trendy people. They're edgy and interesting.
    If you could combine the hotness of like Ian Somerhalder with the wit of Chelsea Handler, and the fuck-off vibe of Anna Wintour, you would have yourself the ultimate bitch.
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    Oct 04, 2013 8:36 PM GMT
    What if I like to be a bitch to the bitches? I like to mess with their egos. But otherwise I'm a nice person to nice people.
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    Oct 04, 2013 8:40 PM GMT
    That attitude doesn't exist outside of a gay bar that much. This is one of the reasons I hate gay bars. Find a bitchy queen that doesn't go to gay bars and I'll give you 50 bucks.
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    Oct 04, 2013 8:44 PM GMT
    Scruffypup saidThat attitude doesn't exist outside of a gay bar that much. This is one of the reasons I hate gay bars. Find a bitchy queen that doesn't go to gay bars and I'll give you 50 bucks.

    I'm going to hold you to that. And I will expect the money wired to me.