Criticism of gay parenting

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    Oct 05, 2013 10:04 AM GMT
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/10/study-graduation-rates-lag-among-children-from-same-sex-households.php

    What are your thoughts?

    "A Canadian study by professor Douglas Allen of Simon Frazier University finds that children raised by married biological parents do better in school than children raised by same-sex couples. The study appears in the Review of Economics of the Household, which I understand is a peer-reviewed journal."

    Could it be down to just perception? Are children of gay parents more involved with gay rights issues?
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    Oct 05, 2013 8:48 PM GMT
    It could be true but remains an irrelevant argument when talking about adoption. For example, in the UK there are 60,000 children in care, waiting to be adopted and only 5,000 get adopted each year. If you we're to ask the children, most of them would greatly prefer being adopted by a gay couple to remaining in care.

    As the state does not have any control over gay people making private arrangements to create biological children whether by heterosexual intercourse or IVF/surrogates it is actually irrelevant in all cases. However I am sure it was very well funded research so at least Simon Frazier University got something out of their very cynical study.

    EDIT - Sorry I got my figures wrong, there are 90,000 in care and 4,700 were adopted last year.
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    Oct 06, 2013 7:15 AM GMT
    Ohno saidIt could be true but remains an irrelevant argument when talking about adoption. For example, in the UK there are 60,000 children in care, waiting to be adopted and only 5,000 get adopted each year. If you we're to ask the children, most of them would greatly prefer being adopted by a gay couple to remaining in care.


    I am all for same-sex couples being given the same opportunity as heterosexual couples for adoptions, but I don't think the lack of institutionalized children being adopted should be the main reason for such a change. I am interested though to see where you got the information from, as there may be another, more significant reason as to why only about 0.5 % of institutionalized children are being adopted in UK. One of the important factors that should be mentioned is whether the survey decided not to count the number of children who have been returned to the institution after having been adopted.

    As for the study itself, I hardly think the research that is done on a 7 year old data is any more reliable than a potentially biased research. The first time a same sex Canadian couple was allowed to adopt was in 2001, and the legalization of same-sex marriage in Canada did not happen until 2005. Even a more liberal-minded country like Canada has gone through significant changes in past couple years in terms of accepting and respecting the LGBT communities. The way same-sex families are perceived and treated cannot possibly be the same today as it had been seven years ago, so there is no way this research can be any more applicable and useful than the other ones.
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    Oct 06, 2013 2:49 PM GMT
    HarrisTaylor saidhttp://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/10/study-graduation-rates-lag-among-children-from-same-sex-households.php

    What are your thoughts?

    "A Canadian study by professor Douglas Allen of Simon Frazier University finds that children raised by married biological parents do better in school than children raised by same-sex couples. The study appears in the Review of Economics of the Household, which I understand is a peer-reviewed journal."

    Could it be down to just perception? Are children of gay parents more involved with gay rights issues?

    That directly goes against all the peer reviewed journals I looked at for my essay I wrote about parental differences between same sex and heterosexual parents. All the studies showed insignificant differences.
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    Oct 06, 2013 3:33 PM GMT
    These type of studies, done by both sides are always interesting and almost always have bias built into them. The flaws are usually in the data interpretation and conclusions. For example, income is also a good indicator of graduation rates. Public school versus private schooling is a factor in graduation rates. How did the same sex kids compare kids of single parents? Or adopted parents?

    If Vegas can use various algorithms to measure data for gambling purposes, why can't we get comprehensive results that show all factors and how those factors interact within and among the demographic pools? Why present data in bits?
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    Oct 06, 2013 3:45 PM GMT


    "The study finds that children living with gay and lesbian families in 2006 were about 65 percent as likely to graduate from high school compared to children living in opposite sex marriage families."

    OK, and that means the kids in question were born in the late 80s if the average age of those kids at graduation was 18. I hate to say it, but kids of gay families faced a LOT of ostracism etc at school.

    Humorous but sad:
    I have a friend who married a straight gal (who was a single Mom) back in the late 70s. He did this to help support her as she was very dear to him, she knew he was gay and knew his friends, and he loved that little baby. Fast forward 9 years to 1986 and she's in school.
    The teacher phones Daddy and says it was an interesting day at school with the kids writing their favorite veggies and fruit on the black board. His daughter, under the heading of fruit had written , "My Dad!"

    First she got in trouble for saying such a thing about her Dad, then when they realized Dad was indeed, a fruit, they phoned him for advice, lol! Unfortunately the other kids made her life quite a little misery after that, and gossip among the parents and staff didn't make it any better.

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    Oct 06, 2013 3:54 PM GMT


    I think simply put that the study is indicative of the failings of society during that time rather than the gay parents. icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 06, 2013 4:20 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    I think simply put that the study is indicative of the failings of society during that time rather than the gay parents. icon_wink.gif

    Ha! I thought the same!
    And they just claimed those results without any explanations...how biased is that!
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    Oct 06, 2013 4:58 PM GMT
    It would be better to review children adopted by straight parents vs. children adopted by gay parents and the same for biological children.
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    Oct 06, 2013 5:48 PM GMT
    Guys, have you looked at the source of this "scientific" report? The poster is a conserva-troll and be ignored
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    Oct 06, 2013 6:26 PM GMT
    After looking at the study itself, I don't quite understand why they choose to use a logit regression to compare between groups. Standard beta tests and t-tests would have been more than sufficient. There is so much bull-shit estimation in the study, I would have to see more studies with similar outcomes from standard group comparisons before I draw any conclusions.

    The thing about stats is that you can make them say whatever you want them to say with the proper transformations.
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    Oct 09, 2013 6:51 PM GMT
    'When John Lennon was 5 years old, his mother always told him that happiness was the key to life. When he went to school they asked him what he wanted to be when he grew up? He wrote down 'Happy'. They told him he didn't understand the assignment, and he told them they didn't understand Life' icon_biggrin.gif

    I cannot understand 'doing better in school'.