Obama Tries To Shut Down THE OCEAN!

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    Oct 05, 2013 4:40 PM GMT
    This is just getting nuts.


    Just before the weekend, the National Park Service informed charter boat captains in Florida that the Florida Bay was "closed" due to the shutdown. Until government funding is restored, the fishing boats are prohibited from taking anglers into 1,100 square-miles of open ocean. Fishing is also prohibited at Biscayne National Park during the shutdown.

    The Park Service will also have rangers on duty to police the ban. Of access to an ocean. The government will probably use more personnel and spend more resources to attempt to close the ocean, than it would in its normal course of business.


    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/05/Feds-Try-to-Close-the-OCEAN-Because-of-Shutdown
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    Oct 05, 2013 5:09 PM GMT
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    Oct 05, 2013 5:48 PM GMT
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    Yes, seriously.
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    Oct 05, 2013 6:08 PM GMT
    Reported by Breitbart. icon_rolleyes.gif

    All we need is Limbaugh to confirm and make it official.

    There are more misrepresentations, half-truths and outright lies in this post than in the days of southbeach1500.

    Oh, right...
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    Oct 05, 2013 6:17 PM GMT
    ART_DECO saidReported by Breitbart. icon_rolleyes.gif

    All we need is Limbaugh to confirm and make it official.

    There are more misrepresentations, half-truths and outright lies in this post than in the days of southbeach1500.

    Oh, right...


    If you read the article, you would see that they name a second source, the Miami Herald newspaper:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3668028_p2/shutdown-day-3-food-distributor.html

    So please launch "Plan B" in terms of your attempt to discredit the "messenger" in an attempt to cover up this latest abomination due to the partial government shutdown by Obama.


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    Oct 05, 2013 6:34 PM GMT
    I just went into the Miami Herald newspaper's comments on that article and found some interesting points made by the locals down there:

    Tony Castaneira
    So now Southern Biscayne bay is off limits? What kind of BS is that?

    Ole Anderson
    Exactly the word I was going to use- BS. Let fishermen and tour guides go to work. Just because they cannot be policed normally does not make them Lawbreakers. The Federal government basically Sucks. We are sheeple. Not Citizens.

    Lisa Howard Glass
    It's Obama governing by temper tantrum. One park guide did say that he was told to make things as difficult as he can. And I can guarantee you that he didn't get that order from Boehner.

    Needalogin Topost
    Obama has send a fleet of rangers to enforce his no fishing zone... Apparently we can't afford to do nothing; but we can afford to create a new paramilitary fleet to uphold his edicts


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    Oct 05, 2013 7:13 PM GMT
    You would think a government shutdown would only affect poor people driving their four wheelers and towing their trailer homes for a weekend camping trip in to the wooded National Parks.

    But that the government would dare shut down an Nationally protected aquatic Park to yachting?

    How dare they! Of all the indignations! This is truly nuts.

    It's so fucking inconvenient. Now we'll have to head out to Bimini instead.

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    Oct 05, 2013 7:21 PM GMT
    theantijock saidYou would think a government shutdown would only affect poor people driving their four wheelers and towing their trailer homes for a weekend camping trip in to the wooded National Parks.

    But that the government would dare shut down an Nationally protected aquatic Park to yachting?

    How dare they! Of all the indignations! This is truly nuts.

    It's so fucking inconvenient. Now we'll have to head out to Bimini instead.


    Read the comments in the local newspaper down there. Here's some more:

    David J. Ingalls
    The Obama Thugocracy is tightening the screws on the American people. Before it closed PRIVATELY supported war memorials and turned away WWII heroes. Now, to make us feel the pain, Obama is closing 1,100 square miles of prime fishing between the southern tip of the mainland to the Keys until further notice.

    Steven J. Adams
    So Obama owns the water surrounding Florida? This is getting absolutely STUPID! Do the Obama worshipers get it now? YOU ELECTED A TANTRUM THROWING TWO -YEAR OLD!

    Wesley Leytham
    I urge every fisherman to go out there anyway. They don't have enough resources to put all of you in jail. Poke them in the eye.

    Diana E. Ramirez
    seems like civil disobedience is needed to stop the insanity

    Dean Peters
    Just so I'm getting this right. The same Fed, who even when not partially shut down cannot protect our borders, now aims to effectively "put a fence" around the ocean?



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    Oct 05, 2013 7:29 PM GMT
    You can try all you like to distract attention from the real villains of the shutdown, but apparently the American people aren't buying it.

    Polls: Republicans Blamed for Government Shutdown
    http://www.voanews.com/content/polls-show-republicans-blamed-for-government-shutdown/1761103.html
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    Oct 05, 2013 7:30 PM GMT
    I see your point.

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    Oct 05, 2013 7:31 PM GMT
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    ART_DECO saidReported by Breitbart. icon_rolleyes.gif

    All we need is Limbaugh to confirm and make it official.

    There are more misrepresentations, half-truths and outright lies in this post than in the days of southbeach1500.

    Oh, right...

    If you read the article, you would see that they name a second source, the Miami Herald newspaper:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3668028_p2/shutdown-day-3-food-distributor.html

    So please launch "Plan B" in terms of your attempt to discredit the "messenger" in an attempt to cover up this latest abomination due to the partial government shutdown by Obama.

    There was a report by the Miami Herald, which didn't assign political blame, and the Breitbart piece you linked, which did. Big difference.

    And quoting 4 newspaper contributors, in a nation of 300 million, doesn't prove your assertion in any way. Maybe the rest of us should quote the majority of people who place the blame squarely on the Republicans, as national polls are showing.

    Furthermore, your misleading thread title, "Obama Tries To Shut Down THE OCEAN" is an outright lie on several points.

    First, this shutdown is a Republican creation. The Republican House manufactured this crisis, nothing that Obama initiated at all.

    Second, the White House has nothing to do with the inevitable consequences of this Federal shutdown. The President does not say "Let's shut down US territorial waters!" Which, BTW, these are, not THE OCEAN as you hysterically scream.

    Rather, these are the unavoidable results when Congressionally-mandated Federal oversight of these waters is suspended because of lack of funding to accomplish this goal. Congress created the requirement, and when Congress withholds the funds, the oversight & management stops, and so must the usage of these waters. Just as US parks must close.

    So nice try at misrepresenting the true facts. Virtually identical to the tactics employed here by the oft-banned southbeach1500. I don't suppose you'd be connected with him in any way, would you?
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    Oct 05, 2013 7:34 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    franktats said
    ART_DECO saidReported by Breitbart. icon_rolleyes.gif

    All we need is Limbaugh to confirm and make it official.

    There are more misrepresentations, half-truths and outright lies in this post than in the days of southbeach1500.

    Oh, right...

    If you read the article, you would see that they name a second source, the Miami Herald newspaper:

    http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/03/3668028_p2/shutdown-day-3-food-distributor.html

    So please launch "Plan B" in terms of your attempt to discredit the "messenger" in an attempt to cover up this latest abomination due to the partial government shutdown by Obama.

    There was a report by the Miami Herald, which didn't assign political blame, and the Breitbart piece you linked, which did. Big difference.

    And quoting 4 newspaper contributors, in a nation of 300 million, doesn't prove your assertion in any way. Maybe the rest of us should quote the majority of people who place the blame squarely on the Republicans, as national polls are showing.

    Furthermore, your misleading thread title, "Obama Tries To Shut Down THE OCEAN" is an outright lie on several points.

    First, this shutdown is a Republican creation. The Republican House manufactured this crisis, nothing that Obama initiated at all.

    Second, the White House has nothing to do with the inevitable consequences of this Federal shutdown. The President does not say "Let's shut down US territorial waters!" Which, BTW, these are, not THE OCEAN as you hysterically scream.

    Rather, these are the unavoidable results when Congressionally-mandated Federal oversight of these waters is suspended because of lack of funding to accomplish this goal. Congress created the requirement, and when Congress withholds the funds, the oversight & management stops, and so must the usage of these waters. Just as US parks must close.

    So nice try at misrepresenting the true facts. Virtually identical to the tactics employed here by the oft-banned southbeach1500. I don't suppose you'd be connected with him in any way, would you?


    Look hard , we have had 17 shutdowns. Had they closed memorials and waterways before?

    It better be true or there would have to be some real explaining. Why now?

    I could find no accounts of waterways or memorials being closed.

    in fact during the last shutdown, the memorials with street access were open.

    Although President Obama claims that he can’t avoid shutting down public sites and monuments, war memorials were in fact kept open during the 1995/1996 government shutdowns. The administration’s decision to barricade the Lincoln Memorial marks the first time in its history the memorial has been totally off limits to visitors during a shutdown.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/02/monuments-and-memorials-remained-open-during-previous-shutdown/#ixzz2gsVYhRh6


    What does that say about Obama , or whoever is running the government.
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    Oct 05, 2013 7:44 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    Look hard , we have had 17 shutdowns. Had they closed memorials and waterways before?

    It better be true or there would have to be some real explaining. Why now?

    I could find no accounts of waterways or memorials being closed.

    *SIGH* You Right Wingers are so truth challenged. The last shutdown 17 years ago, by another Republican Congress, did this:

    A 2010 Congressional Research Service report summarized other details of the 1995-1996 government shutdowns, indicating the shutdown impacted all sectors of the economy. Health and welfare services for military veterans were curtailed; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stopped disease surveillance; new clinical research patients were not accepted at the National Institutes of Health; and toxic waste clean-up work at 609 sites was halted.

    Other impacts included: the closure of 368 National Park sites [which includes National Memorials] resulted in the loss of some seven million visitors; 200,000 applications for passports and 20,000 to 30,000 applications for visas by foreigners went unprocessed each day; U.S. tourism and airline industries incurred millions of dollars in losses; more than 20% of federal contracts, representing $3.7 billion in spending, were affected adversely.


    The reason previous government shutdowns didn't have such a severe impact was the understanding that the government could continue to operate essential services. But a 1981 reinterpretation of the Antideficiency Act of 1884 (31 U.S.C. § 1341) required that US government shutdowns be near total, as in 1995-96, and as we are seeing today.

    So please, musclmed & franktats, don't play your smoke & mirrors games on those of us who actually know our US history. icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 05, 2013 7:53 PM GMT
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    musclmed said
    Look hard , we have had 17 shutdowns. Had they closed memorials and waterways before?

    It better be true or there would have to be some real explaining. Why now?

    I could find no accounts of waterways or memorials being closed.

    *SIGH* You Right Wingers are so truth challenged. The last shutdown 17 years ago, by another Republican Congress, did this:

    A 2010 Congressional Research Service report summarized other details of the 1995-1996 government shutdowns, indicating the shutdown impacted all sectors of the economy. Health and welfare services for military veterans were curtailed; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stopped disease surveillance; new clinical research patients were not accepted at the National Institutes of Health; and toxic waste clean-up work at 609 sites was halted.

    Other impacts included: the closure of 368 National Park sites [which includes National Memorials] resulted in the loss of some seven million visitors; 200,000 applications for passports and 20,000 to 30,000 applications for visas by foreigners went unprocessed each day; U.S. tourism and airline industries incurred millions of dollars in losses; more than 20% of federal contracts, representing $3.7 billion in spending, were affected adversely.

    At least during that shutdown, that particular Democratic President learned what a word called "compromise" meant.

    Maybe Obama, a fellow Democrat, could learn a few lessons from that President...
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    Oct 05, 2013 8:00 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    musclmed said
    Look hard , we have had 17 shutdowns. Had they closed memorials and waterways before?

    It better be true or there would have to be some real explaining. Why now?

    I could find no accounts of waterways or memorials being closed.

    *SIGH* You Right Wingers are so truth challenged. The last shutdown 17 years ago, by another Republican Congress, did this:

    A 2010 Congressional Research Service report summarized other details of the 1995-1996 government shutdowns, indicating the shutdown impacted all sectors of the economy. Health and welfare services for military veterans were curtailed; the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stopped disease surveillance; new clinical research patients were not accepted at the National Institutes of Health; and toxic waste clean-up work at 609 sites was halted.

    Other impacts included: the closure of 368 National Park sites [which includes National Memorials] resulted in the loss of some seven million visitors; 200,000 applications for passports and 20,000 to 30,000 applications for visas by foreigners went unprocessed each day; U.S. tourism and airline industries incurred millions of dollars in losses; more than 20% of federal contracts, representing $3.7 billion in spending, were affected adversely.


    The reason previous government shutdowns didn't have such a severe impact was the understanding that the government could continue to operate essential services. But a 1981 reinterpretation of the Antideficiency Act of 1884 (31 U.S.C. § 1341) required that US government shutdowns be near total, as in 1995-96, and as we are seeing today.

    So please, musclmed & franktats, don't play your smoke & mirrors games on those of us who actually know our US history. icon_razz.gif



    I am only interested in the truth. Do u mind citing were u found that. EDIT- i downloaded the report.

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    The memorials were "closed" sites with street access were not barricaded.

    The Lincoln memorial was closed ( box office) but the Lincoln memorial is an open area.

    I do not disagree the parks were closed. But things that are open to the street were never barricaded and had mounted police patrolling. When before the shutdown were never patrolled.

    I have yet to find any documentation that had ever happened before.
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    Oct 05, 2013 8:01 PM GMT
    libertpaulian said
    At least during that shutdown, that particular Democratic President learned what a word called "compromise" meant.

    Maybe Obama, a fellow Democrat, could learn a few lessons from that President...

    Clinton compromises with Republicans in Congress are what gave us DOMA and DADT, when Clinton actually wanted to expand gay rights. And which you Right Wingers misrepresented in more recent years as proof that Democrats really don't support gays.

    So I hope on this occasion Obama doesn't cave to Republican "compromises" which are really just a bully's term for surrendering to threats. We've seen how Republicans have operated before, and they're still working from the same playbook.
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    libertpaulian said
    At least during that shutdown, that particular Democratic President learned what a word called "compromise" meant.

    Maybe Obama, a fellow Democrat, could learn a few lessons from that President...

    Clinton compromises with Republicans in Congress is what gave us DOMA and DADT, when Clinton actually wanted to expand gay rights. And which you Right Wingers misrepresented in more recent years as proof that Democrats really don't support gays.

    So I hope on this occasion Obama doesn't cave to Republican "compromises" which are really just a bully's term for surrendering to threats. We've seen how Republicans have operated before, and they're still working from the same playbook.

    Clinton's compromises gave us one of the greatest economies of the 20th century and low unemployment.

    Clinton and Reagan are proof that neo-liberal economics works.
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    Oct 05, 2013 8:23 PM GMT
    libertpaulian said
    Clinton and Reagan are proof that neo-liberal economics works.

    That's wrong on so many points that it would take a book to address them. Your statement is merely enough to prove that you know neither economics, nor US history. But you score an "A" in demagoguery.
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    Oct 05, 2013 8:29 PM GMT
    Though navigable waters are technically waterways, a waterway as such is not really the entire park when considering that a waterway, such as the Intracoastal Waterway, can merge with or run through a larger body of water, such as a lake or a bay or an inlet or a watery National Park.

    I haven't looked into details but likely it isn't as if boats are being prevented from using the waterway as some here would like to attempt misinforming others.

    Maritime navigation has just a tad of tradition to it, so I'd imagine boats can still make their way from Miami to the Keys, or from Miami out into the Atlantic, running through the park, they just can't use the park as a park.

    No different than being able to drive through roads running through landlocked parks, you just can't use those parks as parks either during the shutdown. Where's your headlined thread "Obama Tries to Shut down THE WOODS"

    You know that river running through the Grand Canyon. Well Obama CLOSED THE CANYON.

    If you've spent any time enjoying our wonderful watery National Parks--and I have--you'd know that they are very much like our wooded parks or our swampy parks, etc., accept, you know, that they're mostly below the water. So if you've ever seen underwater signage, maybe identifying coral or swam along an identifiable underwater trail then you might have more of a sense of this "waterway" or "ocean" as being a National Park.

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    Oct 05, 2013 8:29 PM GMT
    King Canute is turning over in his grave.
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    Oct 05, 2013 8:45 PM GMT
    This just in!

    Tomorrow will be a dark day and electricity bills are going to soar because Obama is shutting down the sun!

    The poor plants! How will they live? We'll all have to eat canned food.


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    Oct 05, 2013 9:02 PM GMT
    More comments from the local newspaper down there:

    Chris May
    I'd like to see the Florida governor send out some state police boats to protect the fishermen from the Feds.

    Ralph Boettcher
    So...no money to keep these waters open but plenty of money to pay security to keep people out. Can any liberal explain this 'logic'?

    Dan Ryan
    So they have adequate personnel to insure "enforcement" but not to allow folks to make a living. Hmmmm???

    William Martin Douglas
    Massive civil disobedience is in order. Tell the guards you're part of the OWS movement and they'll leave you alone.
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    Oct 05, 2013 9:21 PM GMT

    Of course, Ol' Boner could just let everyone vote on a clean bill, and address the debt ceiling....icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 05, 2013 9:23 PM GMT
    The idea of Government shutting down seems really odd from this side of the Atlantic, to pass laws and then not allocate the funds lacks logic. But then our executive is formed from the majority in the Commons, and the Commons has budgetary control.

    In the last comment this was posted:

    Ralph Boettcher
    So...no money to keep these waters open but plenty of money to pay security to keep people out. Can any liberal explain this 'logic'?

    And that seems to me to be consistent with closing down the Government. Who decides what can and can't be done?

    (Another point from a British perspective, spending is allowed by the legislation allowing taxation. Each year we have a Finance Act. if there was no legislation, in general terms, there would be no taxation. Assuming your taxes are still being collected, why isn't that sufficient to run Government?)