Desperate Republicans ready to cave-in and fund government without touching Affordable Care Act

  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 05, 2013 10:38 PM GMT
    The inevitable conservative Republican cave-in begins.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/05/gop-floats-six-week-funding-and-debt-ceiling-extension/?hpt=hp_t1One idea being considered to end the immediate fiscal impasse is a bill to fund the government and extend the nation's borrowing authority for six weeks, a senior Republican member of the House told CNN...

    This idea of an extension being floated among Republicans would give everyone a temporary political reprieve. It would give them a way to reopen the government but bypass the issue of tying it to a change in Obamacare, as well as avert a crisis over whether to raise the nation's debt limit by Oct. 17 when the Treasury Department has said it will run out of money to pay its bills.

    The House Republican told Borger it is "unfair" to promise conservatives in the country something Republicans in Congress just cannot deliver - the defunding of Obamacare.


    I'm sure Democrats don't mind letting conservative Republicans alienate voters more by shutting down the government again in six weeks -- especially since it's just going to end the same way with the the few reasonable Republicans left forcing the radical right to face reality.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 05, 2013 11:22 PM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidThe inevitable conservative Republican cave-in begins.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/05/gop-floats-six-week-funding-and-debt-ceiling-extension/?hpt=hp_t1One idea being considered to end the immediate fiscal impasse is a bill to fund the government and extend the nation's borrowing authority for six weeks, a senior Republican member of the House told CNN...

    This idea of an extension being floated among Republicans would give everyone a temporary political reprieve. It would give them a way to reopen the government but bypass the issue of tying it to a change in Obamacare, as well as avert a crisis over whether to raise the nation's debt limit by Oct. 17 when the Treasury Department has said it will run out of money to pay its bills.

    The House Republican told Borger it is "unfair" to promise conservatives in the country something Republicans in Congress just cannot deliver - the defunding of Obamacare.


    I'm sure Democrats don't mind letting conservative Republicans alienate voters more by shutting down the government again in six weeks -- especially since it's just going to end the same way with the the few reasonable Republicans left forcing the radical right to face reality.


    Do you think Obama's job is easier or harder even if the shutdown ends this moment?

    Long term his job is very much harder. A budget still needs to be passed. The last passed budget signed into law was in 2009. It almost seems like he has to learn that we do not have a Parliamentary system. I can guarantee he has not made any friends by what he said about "Not negotiating" and all of the words about guns to head, terrorism .

    He could have made the appearance of negotiating. Its sure a big gamble considering he has charm factor and swagger he could have come out of this looking like a super star. I guess he feels he can run the government in "SafeMode" no new laws, no judicial appointments, no treaties.

    Nothing is going to happen for him going forward. If a Supreme Court Judge dies, there will be no confirmation.

    Obama has lost all 3 cases so far regarding his recess appointments and he will lose that case in the Supreme Court.
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    Oct 05, 2013 11:32 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    [Obama] could have made the appearance of negotiating. Its sure a big gamble considering he has charm factor and swagger he could have come out of this looking like a super star.

    Nothing is going to happen for him going forward.

    Except... nothing from Congress has come to the President's desk. The only power a President has in the budget process is with a signature or a veto. There still isn't any bill for Obama to sign or veto. This battle is between the US Senate and House. Please explain how Obama is responsible for this mess.
  • rnch

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    Oct 05, 2013 11:36 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    musclmed said
    [Obama] could have made the appearance of negotiating. Its sure a big gamble considering he has charm factor and swagger he could have come out of this looking like a super star.

    Nothing is going to happen for him going forward.

    Except... nothing from Congress has come to the President's desk. The only power a President has in the budget process is with a signature or a veto. There still isn't any bill for Obama to sign or veto. This battle is between the US Senate and House. Please explain how Obama is responsible for this mess.





    Well, Musclmed? We're waiting for your eloquent (non)reply....
  • musclmed

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    Oct 06, 2013 12:26 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    musclmed said
    [Obama] could have made the appearance of negotiating. Its sure a big gamble considering he has charm factor and swagger he could have come out of this looking like a super star.

    Nothing is going to happen for him going forward.

    Except... nothing from Congress has come to the President's desk. The only power a President has in the budget process is with a signature or a veto. There still isn't any bill for Obama to sign or veto. This battle is between the US Senate and House. Please explain how Obama is responsible for this mess.


    Part of a budget deal is negotiating, having a congressional relation. Calling individual congressman. In the past 5 years he has not done it. He actually gives Congress the finger. Its not more than a month ago he ran to congress to "approve" actions in Syria then saying . Well I can just do what I want even if you dont approve it........

    In several books its chronicled how Obama disdains the wheel/deal schmoozing of politics. He keeps a tight core of sycophants and does not have relations with even the democrats on capital hill. This was shown in plain site with what happened with Syria. With some even in Dem leadership complaining on how unilateral Obama is.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/hill-dems-want-more-love-from-obama-87120.html?hp=t1_3


    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/24/dem_rep_mcdermott_i_dont_know_who_obamas_chief_of_staff_is_wouldnt_recognize_him.html


    "I don’t know who he is. If he were sitting here in this room, I would not know him," McDermott (D-Wash.) said of McDonough on C-SPAN on Wednesday. "Maybe he’s been someplace, but I’m on the Ways and Means Committee, I’m the ranking member on the Health Subcommittee that’s implementing the bill, I’ve never seen him."
  • musclmed

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    Oct 06, 2013 12:34 AM GMT
    rnch said
    ART_DECO said
    musclmed said
    [Obama] could have made the appearance of negotiating. Its sure a big gamble considering he has charm factor and swagger he could have come out of this looking like a super star.

    Nothing is going to happen for him going forward.

    Except... nothing from Congress has come to the President's desk. The only power a President has in the budget process is with a signature or a veto. There still isn't any bill for Obama to sign or veto. This battle is between the US Senate and House. Please explain how Obama is responsible for this mess.





    Well, Musclmed? We're waiting for your eloquent (non)reply....


    Are you the leader? well then please get to answering all the other threads with the NON answers.

    I think this is all you have to contribute on the topic.
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    Oct 06, 2013 12:49 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    Part of a budget deal is negotiating, having a congressional relation. Calling individual congressman. In the past 5 years he has not done it. He actually gives Congress the finger. Its not more than a month ago he ran to congress to "approve" actions in Syria then saying . Well I can just do what I want even if you dont approve it........

    In several books its chronicled how Obama disdains the wheel/deal schmoozing of politics. He keeps a tight core of sycophants and does not have relations with even the democrats on capital hill. This was shown in plain site with what happened with Syria. With some even in Dem leadership complaining on how unilateral Obama is.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/hill-dems-want-more-love-from-obama-87120.html?hp=t1_3

    Negotiating? Please cite where the US Constitution says the President "negotiates" a budget. The budget is initiated in the House, the only place it can Constitutionally originate. Even the Senate does not propose a budget, it can only approve or disapprove of what the House submits to it, or counters with changes, which must in turn be passed in the House.

    That's what's been happening in the current budget crisis, since the Senate has voted against the House budget as submitted to it. And which the House has refused when the Senate version was sent back to them, because the Senate deleted the House provision to defund the Affordable Care Act.

    Now please explain to us where the President negotiates in all of this. He has no Constitutional role until a bill passed by both houses of Congress is presented to him.
  • rnch

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    Oct 06, 2013 12:54 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    rnch said
    ART_DECO said
    musclmed said
    [Obama] could have made the appearance of negotiating. Its sure a big gamble considering he has charm factor and swagger he could have come out of this looking like a super star.

    Nothing is going to happen for him going forward.

    Except... nothing from Congress has come to the President's desk. The only power a President has in the budget process is with a signature or a veto. There still isn't any bill for Obama to sign or veto. This battle is between the US Senate and House. Please explain how Obama is responsible for this mess.





    Well, Musclmed? We're waiting for your eloquent (non)reply....


    Are you the leader? well then please get to answering all the other threads with the NON answers.

    I think this is all you have to contribute on the topic.



    Ah yes, pithy character assassination and sarcasm. A typical "non-answer" from this person.


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  • musclmed

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    Oct 06, 2013 1:00 AM GMT
    rnch said
    musclmed said
    rnch said
    ART_DECO said
    musclmed said
    [Obama] could have made the appearance of negotiating. Its sure a big gamble considering he has charm factor and swagger he could have come out of this looking like a super star.

    Nothing is going to happen for him going forward.

    Except... nothing from Congress has come to the President's desk. The only power a President has in the budget process is with a signature or a veto. There still isn't any bill for Obama to sign or veto. This battle is between the US Senate and House. Please explain how Obama is responsible for this mess.





    Well, Musclmed? We're waiting for your eloquent (non)reply....


    Are you the leader? well then please get to answering all the other threads with the NON answers.

    I think this is all you have to contribute on the topic.



    Ah yes, pithy character assassination and sarcasm. A typical "non-answer" from this person.


    icon_rolleyes.gif


    Really , not my style. You wont find one example of it. But it seems you exempt yourself form the rule.
  • rnch

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    Oct 06, 2013 1:04 AM GMT
    musclmed said
    rnch said
    musclmed said
    rnch said
    ART_DECO said
    musclmed said
    [Obama] could have made the appearance of negotiating. Its sure a big gamble considering he has charm factor and swagger he could have come out of this looking like a super star.

    Nothing is going to happen for him going forward.

    Except... nothing from Congress has come to the President's desk. The only power a President has in the budget process is with a signature or a veto. There still isn't any bill for Obama to sign or veto. This battle is between the US Senate and House. Please explain how Obama is responsible for this mess.





    Well, Musclmed? We're waiting for your eloquent (non)reply....


    Are you the leader? well then please get to answering all the other threads with the NON answers.

    I think this is all you have to contribute on the topic.



    Ah yes, pithy character assassination and sarcasm. A typical "non-answer" from this person.


    icon_rolleyes.gif


    Really , not my style. You wont find one example of it. But it seems you exempt yourself form the rule.




    It is EXACTLY "your style".



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  • musclmed

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    Oct 06, 2013 1:12 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    musclmed said
    Part of a budget deal is negotiating, having a congressional relation. Calling individual congressman. In the past 5 years he has not done it. He actually gives Congress the finger. Its not more than a month ago he ran to congress to "approve" actions in Syria then saying . Well I can just do what I want even if you dont approve it........

    In several books its chronicled how Obama disdains the wheel/deal schmoozing of politics. He keeps a tight core of sycophants and does not have relations with even the democrats on capital hill. This was shown in plain site with what happened with Syria. With some even in Dem leadership complaining on how unilateral Obama is.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/hill-dems-want-more-love-from-obama-87120.html?hp=t1_3

    Negotiating? Please cite where the US Constitution says the President "negotiates" a budget. The budget is initiated in the House, the only place it can Constitutionally originate. Even the Senate does not propose a budget, it can only approve or disapprove of what the House submits to it, or counters with changes, which must in turn be passed in the House.

    That's what's been happening in the current budget crisis, since the Senate has voted against the House budget as submitted to it. And which the House has refused when the Senate version was sent back to them, because the Senate deleted the House provision to defund the Affordable Care Act.

    Now please explain to us where the President negotiates in all of this. He has no Constitutional role until a bill passed by both houses of Congress is presented to him.


    Well possibly inadvertently you are stipulating the Senate bill is technically flawed in that the CR passed by the House was tabled. The Senate's CR was de novo and supposedly "uses their number" the Republicans request for the budget.

    But getting to the President. The President by law must submit a budget/budget request. It is not in the constitution but is in the law since 1920's. It is not a requirement to negotiate, but he would be ill advised not to. Its also not in the constitution that he gives press conferences either.
    U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 3

    He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

    There is a loose advise and consent between both houses as above in the constitution.

    Are you actually saying its an admirable or desirable trait that Obama doesn't negotiate with his own party and others? He should just sit back and say . "I Hope I Win!" as if clutching a lottery ticket?
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    Oct 06, 2013 1:13 AM GMT
    Rep. Doug Lamborn, R-Co., said today that in fact the Senate Dem.'s have negotiated. "But there has been some compromise and I acknowledge that.” This contradicts Cantor's statement that they haven't. But either way, it is not possible to tell what the GOP wants. Do they want to kill ACA or delay it? Or to quote Rep. Stutzman, R- In. "We're not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."

    What they are going to get are jittery markets this week. Moody's Investor Services is again warning about disruption to the markets. And at this time, most Americans are blaming the GOP.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 06, 2013 1:14 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidNow please explain to us where the President negotiates in all of this. He has no Constitutional role until a bill passed by both houses of Congress is presented to him.


    What's telling that with a million folks out of work and the world economy thus threatened by a radical conservative Republican minority, tea partiers are most concerned with how this all affects Obama.

    It shows again that this drama is really all about the right-wing obsession with Obama. He's in their heads; they just cannot get over the fact that he is still President and they cannot defeat him. It has made Republicans crazy with hate and rage.

    Whether Obama's job gets harder or easier post-shutdown is moot -- but making Obama's job as hard as possible is the main concern of Republicans. And they will continue to lose elections until they stop being concerned with their rancid Obama hatred and start being concerned about the welfare and well-being of the American people.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 06, 2013 1:31 AM GMT
    neuergriff1 saidRep. Doug Lamborn, R-Co., said today that in fact the Senate Dem.'s have negotiated. "But there has been some compromise and I acknowledge that.” This contradicts Cantor's statement that they haven't. But either way, it is not possible to tell what the GOP wants. Do they want to kill ACA or delay it? Or to quote Rep. Stutzman, R- In. "We're not going to be disrespected. We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."

    What they are going to get are jittery markets this week. Moody's Investor Services is again warning about disruption to the markets. And at this time, most Americans are blaming the GOP.


    It would be UNLIKELY that both houses were not negotiating at some level. This is there job. The benefit from it on many levels.
  • rnch

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    Oct 06, 2013 2:51 AM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    ART_DECO saidNow please explain to us where the President negotiates in all of this. He has no Constitutional role until a bill passed by both houses of Congress is presented to him.


    What's telling that with a million folks out of work and the world economy thus threatened by a radical conservative Republican minority, tea partiers are most concerned with how this all affects Obama.

    It shows again that this drama is really all about the right-wing obsession with Obama. He's in their heads; they just cannot get over the fact that he is still President and they cannot defeat him. It has made Republicans crazy with hate and rage.

    Whether Obama's job gets harder or easier post-shutdown is moot -- but making Obama's job as hard as possible is the main concern of Republicans. And they will continue to lose elections until they stop being concerned with their rancid Obama hatred and start being concerned about the welfare and well-being of the American people.




    Sadly, I must agree.
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    Oct 06, 2013 3:06 AM GMT
    "Speaker Boehner knows that House Republicans are digging their own graves. Boehner has been saving the party from itself since he became Speaker, but this time, he is standing aside and letting them self destruct."

    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/01/john-boehner-warns-republicans-government-shutdown-cost-house-2014.html
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 06, 2013 7:25 PM GMT
    NewMtler said"Speaker Boehner knows that House Republicans are digging their own graves. Boehner has been saving the party from itself since he became Speaker, but this time, he is standing aside and letting them self destruct."

    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/01/john-boehner-warns-republicans-government-shutdown-cost-house-2014.html


    New polls out today showing the Republican shutdown has put the house in play. Good job, conservatives.