"House Republicans are playing suicide bomber with the U.S. economy. As a businessman, it defies all reason and logic.”

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    Oct 06, 2013 3:19 AM GMT
    The business community is increasingly furious at the Republican insanity.

    Any talk of what the Affordable Care Act might cost business now pales in comparison to the blatant sabotage the Republicans are up to.

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-03/republicans-are-no-longer-the-party-of-business#r=most popular
  • rnch

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    Oct 06, 2013 11:35 AM GMT
    "Republican insanity" just might be enough for the more moderate members of the GOP to leave the insane TEAbaggers and start their own political party.
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    Oct 06, 2013 2:12 PM GMT
    I read in one op-ed piece that said this will all end when Wall Street gets scared and says to the GOP leadership - "alright, knock this sh*t off"...And I agree!
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    NJDewd saidI read in one op-ed piece that said this will all end when Wall Street gets scared and says to the GOP leadership - "alright, knock this sh*t off"...And I agree!

    From the linked Businessweek article:

    Asked by the Associated Press if he had heard business groups express alarm about the economic impact of a shutdown, Republican Representative Dana Rohrabacher of California replied, “No. And it wouldn’t make any difference if I did.”
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 06, 2013 2:38 PM GMT
    Lots of blame to go around. I wish we could fire all of them -- Repub or Dem
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    Oct 06, 2013 7:18 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidLots of blame to go around.


    Not really -- this is all the fault of a small minority of radical right-wing Republicans, not even all Republicans, and certainly not Democrats.

    The sequestration budget levels the Republicans are refusing to fund were based on Democrats giving in to Republican demands. The Affordable Care Act Republican crybabies are tantruming over has no public option/single payer because of Democrats compromising for Republicans. Democrats and moderate Republicans are ready to accept these compromises and move on, but a fringe right wing led by Ted Cruz and Rand Paul is so batclap nuts that they'd destroy the country to extract even more.
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    Oct 07, 2013 12:10 AM GMT
    Here's a good article on how the Republicans have lost the business community. Remarkably it's from the very conservative Washington Examiner.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/tea-party-loosens-k-streets-stranglehold-on-the-gop/article/2536847

    "How did the Republican Party become so splintered and so infused with hard-line conservatives?

    Don't blame redistricting. Don't chalk it up to anti-Obama fervor.

    Republicans have become an unruly bunch of scorched-earth conservatives because the Tea Party smashed the business lobby's monopoly on GOP fundraising."
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    CuriousJockAZ saidLots of blame to go around.

    Not really -- this is all the fault of a small minority of radical right-wing Republicans, not even all Republicans, and certainly not Democrats.

    The sequestration budget levels the Republicans are refusing to fund were based on Democrats giving in to Republican demands. The Affordable Care Act Republican crybabies are tantruming over has no public option/single payer because of Democrats compromising for Republicans. Democrats and moderate Republicans are ready to accept these compromises and move on, but a fringe right wing led by Ted Cruz and Rand Paul is so batclap nuts that they'd destroy the country to extract even more.

    We hear the same broken record from Right Wingers all the time, that both political parties are at fault. CuriousJockAZ has sung that same song here with every election cycle.

    But let's examine it: the Republicans get caught with their hands in the cookie jar. And just as guilty little kids do who get caught red-handed, their response is to shift attention to someone else. "But Billy spilled his milk last week!" "Susie stole cookies last summer!" But to an adult, there's no real equivalence, and it's THEIR hand in THIS cookie jar.

    Plus there's a Republican political strategy here. They know they have a political base that's stronger and more fanatically loyal than the Democrats have. The Republican base will vote for serial killers on death row, just so long as there's an (R) after their last name.

    Democratic voters aren't so blindly loyal to their party, and might be discouraged and turned-off by slams against a system that's portrayed as being completely flawed. Resulting in a lower Democratic voter turnout.

    But Republican loyalists are fairly consistent. Therefore bash all of politics, because that will lower the Democratic vote, but much less the Republican. And the Moderates remain up for grabs, based mostly on local issues that can be fought pragmatically. ("All politics are local")

    So yeah, I recognize this strategy of bashing Republicans along with Democrats, blaming them both for this current budget crisis. Because the Republicans will emerge largely unscathed with their base, while it's the Democrats who will take the hit with Democrats and Moderates. Very clever, indeed. icon_wink.gif
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    "So yeah, I recognize this strategy of bashing Republicans along with Democrats, blaming them both for this current budget crisis. Because the Republicans will emerge largely unscathed with their base, while it's the Democrats who will take the hit with Democrats and Moderates. Very clever, indeed. "


    Evil Geniuses? Uhhh, NO!

    Karl Rove is no longer in charge of the party. The passion for winning at all costs once united the Republicans. Those days are over. Now you've got the true believers and they would rather lose than give up their extremist ideals.
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    NewMtler said"So yeah, I recognize this strategy of bashing Republicans along with Democrats, blaming them both for this current budget crisis. Because the Republicans will emerge largely unscathed with their base, while it's the Democrats who will take the hit with Democrats and Moderates. Very clever, indeed."

    Evil Geniuses? Uhhh, NO!

    Karl Rove is not longer in charge of the party. The passion for winning at all costs once united the Republicans. Those days are over. Now you've got the true believers and they would rather lose than give up their extremist ideals.

    Actually Karl Rove remains a key Republican advisor, despite his disastrous performance in the 2012 election. His strategy to ideologically link the Republican Party with Christian fundamentalists remains a forceful political reality. And he was a "Founding Father" of the Teabagger movement, which continues to be a major influence in US politics, and indeed THE major cause of this current shutdown crisis.

    Republicans still intend to win at all costs, even at the expense of the well being of the American people. With them it's all about Party, not about People. The people are merely election statistics, impersonal votes to be harvested like a natural resource.

    And in keeping with Republican ideology, what happens to the forest after all the trees have all been cut down and counted really doesn't matter to them. Just so long as there's a political profit to be made.
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    Oct 07, 2013 2:17 AM GMT
    The lunatic fringe is just maybe more upset over the other things Obama has been accomplishing during his presidency so far. Namely, it is no secret that these fringe conservatives are pissed off... 1) don't ask don't tell repeal, 2) Prop 8 and all gay marriage, 3) DOMA fell, 4) ENDA is next, 4) the evil Pope stepped down in favor of a moderate, 5) hold off on firing missiles at Syria in favor of inspections, 6) gun control and auto weapons, 7) of course Obamacare, there is so much hate from the fringe about the first black president, I cant imagine if Hillary, the women, becomes the next president, we may never hear from the fringe again.

    I am sure they feel there world is falling apart at this point and as the rest of us proceed in progress into the future, the label "conservative" as we know it will eventually fade into obscurity and go underground, they haven't "won" on anything else, why do they think they can win with shutting down their "big government fears" healthcare for all might be their last stand in a US that capitalism maybe finally taking a back seat, remember, this fringe uses fear to manipulate to their cause, I think the grip of fear is breaking and the fringe no longer has control by using it, people are waking up.




    Lunatic Fringe - I know you're out there
    You're in hiding, and you hold your meetings
    I can hear you coming, and I know what you're after
    We're wise to you this time we won't let you kill the laughter
    wise to you this tiiimmme

    Lunatic Fringe - in the twilight's last gleaming
    This is open season, but you won't get too far
    'Cause you got to blame someone for your own confusion
    We're all on guard this time against the Final Solution
    all on guard this time

    We can hear you coming no, you're not going to win this time
    We can hear you coming not gonna win
    We can hear the footsteps out along the walkway
    We can hear the footsteps out along the walkway
    them play

    Lunatic Fringe - we all know you're out there
    Can you feel the resistance?
    Can you feel the thunder?
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 07, 2013 2:28 AM GMT
    Conservatives are evil.

    Radical.

    Stupid.

    Lunatic.

    Democrats are the only good ones.

    What else will we see? Only time will tell! I look forward to all the collective group think of hating anything that isn't your idea of what is intelligent (which is, in my opinion, the exact opposite). You shall not disappoint, I'm sure ;)
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    scruffLA saidThe lunatic fringe is just maybe more upset over the other things Obama has been accomplishing during his presidency so far.


    Seems like more and more of the country is "the lunatic fringe" these days...


    President Obama’s approval rating has dropped to one of the lowest levels in two years.

    Since the government shutdown Tuesday, Obama’s approval rating has slipped 3 percentage points to 41 percent, while his disapproval went up to 52 percent, according to Gallup’s daily numbers.


    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326717-obamas-approval-drops-to-lowest-level-in-two-years
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    PolitiNerd saidConservatives are evil.

    Radical.

    Stupid.

    Lunatic.

    Democrats are the only good ones.

    What else will we see? Only time will tell! I look forward to all the collective group think of hating anything that isn't your idea of what is intelligent (which is, in my opinion, the exact opposite). You shall not disappoint, I'm sure ;)

    What's this "we"? You're an Australian, correct? Or is it French living there? But not US, right?

    And just 18? My, what wisdom you have to share with us poor Yanks about our own political system. A veritable prodigy you are, we would be lost without you. It really is our good fortune you joined this site barely a month ago, to rescue us from our ignorance about ourselves.

    Perhaps you can link us some of your academic papers on these topics, to study. Along with your credentials on US political science, which clearly are far superior to anything we have on this side of the Pacific.

    Well, welcome aboard. I just wish we had someone over here to lecture you about Australian politics to return your generous service to us. But that would be the height of bad manners, not to mention ignorant pretentiousness, wouldn't you agree? icon_biggrin.gif
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    PolitiNerd saidConservatives are evil.

    Radical.

    Stupid.

    Lunatic.

    Democrats are the only good ones.

    What else will we see? Only time will tell! I look forward to all the collective group think of hating anything that isn't your idea of what is intelligent (which is, in my opinion, the exact opposite). You shall not disappoint, I'm sure ;)

    What's this "we"? You're an Australian, correct? Or is it French living there? But not US, right?

    And just 18? My, what wisdom you have to share with us poor Yanks about our own political system. A veritable prodigy you are, we would be lost without you. It really is our good fortune you joined this site barely a month ago, to rescue us from our ignorance about ourselves.

    Perhaps you can link us some of your academic papers on these topics, to study. Along with your credentials on US political science, which clearly are far superior to anything we have on this side of the Pacific.

    Well, welcome aboard. I just wish we had someone over here to lecture you about Australian politics to return your service to us, but that would be the height of bad manners, not to mention ignorant pretentiousness, wouldn't you agree? icon_biggrin.gif


    I see your friends MenInLove lecturing us about American politics all the time here. Why don't you call them out for their "bad manners" huh?

    Because you are an old, senile, incontinent hypocrite. (Ageism to reciprocate for your totally uncalled for attack on a younger RJ member above).
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 07, 2013 4:55 AM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    PolitiNerd saidConservatives are evil.

    Radical.

    Stupid.

    Lunatic.

    Democrats are the only good ones.

    What else will we see? Only time will tell! I look forward to all the collective group think of hating anything that isn't your idea of what is intelligent (which is, in my opinion, the exact opposite). You shall not disappoint, I'm sure ;)

    What's this "we"? You're an Australian, correct? Or is it French living there? But not US, right?

    And just 18? My, what wisdom you have to share with us poor Yanks about our own political system. A veritable prodigy you are, we would be lost without you. It really is our good fortune you joined this site barely a month ago, to rescue us from our ignorance about ourselves.

    Perhaps you can link us some of your academic papers on these topics, to study. Along with your credentials on US political science, which clearly are far superior to anything we have on this side of the Pacific.

    Well, welcome aboard. I just wish we had someone over here to lecture you about Australian politics to return your generous service to us. But that would be the height of bad manners, not to mention ignorant pretentiousness, wouldn't you agree? icon_biggrin.gif


    I am not maintaining that I know all about American politics, nay, the world's politics! So I don't know where you have to imply that I'm some idiotic young person. Yes, I am young, and yes, you are considerably older than I. That in itself can warrant a fair degree of experience that I lack, sure.

    However, that simply does not mean that I am simply wrong and you are simply right. I listed a few things that so many on this site and elsewhere have said about people who are not of the left. Some from this very same post.

    I have not made any indication to know more than anyone here, have I? The one thing I said that could be seen as a judgement would be that I accused people here of the Left, you included, of group think, which is what is very much displayed with the irrational hating of ANYTHING from ANYONE who is not either Progressivist, Socialist or any other form of Leftism.

    Conservatism has been displayed by people here to be some form of evil unseen by mankind before, like ONLY conservatives are stupid. Well, I am sorry, but that is not the case. I don't think Leftists are stupid, but I very much believe that the ideology leaves much to be desired when it comes to acceptance of other opinion without sneering at it and denouncing it as complete and utter stupidity, as you tried to imply by calling me a "veritable prodigy" in sarcastic terms.

    But I am just babbling on now. I'm sure you will dismiss this and still see me as some dumb young person who is completely uneducated and shouldn't be taken seriously. The joke is on you.
  • Apparition

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    Oct 07, 2013 5:05 AM GMT
    why on earth cant they just make obamacare optional meaning a public option. When you get your tax form you check NO and pay X, or check YES, and pay X+ n%, they issue a card for a year of public care. The result would be a 50-50 split and you get the care you are taxed for.
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    Oct 07, 2013 1:41 PM GMT
    The next time you are in the voting booth, please remember which political party brought on this stupidity-in-action....and vote accordingly.
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    rnch saidThe next time you are in the voting booth, please remember which political party brought on this stupidity-in-action....and vote accordingly.


    Such as Bush, Christie or Rubio 2016 so yes, I agree.
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    Oct 07, 2013 2:14 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    rnch saidThe next time you are in the voting booth, please remember which political party brought on this stupidity-in-action....and vote accordingly.


    Such as Bush, Christie or Rubio 2016 so yes, I agree.



    Yup!

    You have proved my point.

    Any of the above potential POTUS candidates would return the USA to the failed policies of Reagan & Dubja Bush that got our country in the mess it is in today.... The mess that President Obama is TRYING to fix, in spite of the Gop/TEAbagger nutjobs that are fighting him every inch of the way.

    C'mon now! Threatening to send out country into economic default simply because they (GOP) don't like a health care law that Congress passed? IS this responsible governing??
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    rnch said
    freedomisntfree said
    rnch saidThe next time you are in the voting booth, please remember which political party brought on this stupidity-in-action....and vote accordingly.


    Such as Bush, Christie or Rubio 2016 so yes, I agree.



    Yup!

    You have proved my point.

    Any of the above potential POTUS candidates would return the USA to the failed policies of Reagan & Dubja Bush that got our country in the mess it is in today.... The mess that President Obama is TRYING to fix, in spite of the Gop/TEAbagger nutjobs that are fighting him every inch of the way.

    C'mon now! Threatening to send out country into economic default simply because they (GOP) don't like a health care law that Congress passed? IS this responsible governing??


    yes
  • rnch

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    Oct 07, 2013 3:11 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    rnch said
    freedomisntfree said
    rnch saidThe next time you are in the voting booth, please remember which political party brought on this stupidity-in-action....and vote accordingly.


    Such as Bush, Christie or Rubio 2016 so yes, I agree.



    Yup!

    You have proved my point.

    Any of the above potential POTUS candidates would return the USA to the failed policies of Reagan & Dubja Bush that got our country in the mess it is in today.... The mess that President Obama is TRYING to fix, in spite of the Gop/TEAbagger nutjobs that are fighting him every inch of the way.

    C'mon now! Threatening to send out country into economic default simply because they (GOP) don't like a health care law that Congress passed? IS this responsible governing??




    yes





    Freedom, if you truly believe this, then you are just as fiscally irresponsible and as bat-shit crazy as the loonies now in (hopefully not for much longer) control of the once-great Republican party.
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    rnch said
    freedomisntfree said
    rnch said
    freedomisntfree said
    rnch saidThe next time you are in the voting booth, please remember which political party brought on this stupidity-in-action....and vote accordingly.


    Such as Bush, Christie or Rubio 2016 so yes, I agree.



    Yup!

    You have proved my point.

    Any of the above potential POTUS candidates would return the USA to the failed policies of Reagan & Dubja Bush that got our country in the mess it is in today.... The mess that President Obama is TRYING to fix, in spite of the Gop/TEAbagger nutjobs that are fighting him every inch of the way.

    C'mon now! Threatening to send out country into economic default simply because they (GOP) don't like a health care law that Congress passed? IS this responsible governing??




    yes





    Freedom, if you truly believe this, then you are just as fiscally irresponsible and as bat-shit crazy as the loonies now in (hopefully not for much longer) control of the once-great Republican party.


    yes
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    Apparition saidwhy on earth cant they just make obamacare optional meaning a public option. When you get your tax form you check NO and pay X, or check YES, and pay X+ n%, they issue a card for a year of public care. The result would be a 50-50 split and you get the care you are taxed for.


    A fair question and it deserves a fair answer.

    The reason is that they need the young to pay to subsidize the old. Young people are not going to voluntarily pay thousands of dollars a year for health insurance that they aren't going to use. But it's exactly those thousands of dollars that are needed to subsidize the older people who are ill and need healthcare services.

    So, what we have is the Federal government for the first time ever forcing us to buy something on the private marketplace.
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    PolitiNerd saidConservatives are evil.

    Radical.

    Stupid.

    Lunatic.

    Democrats are the only good ones.

    What else will we see? Only time will tell! I look forward to all the collective group think of hating anything that isn't your idea of what is intelligent (which is, in my opinion, the exact opposite). You shall not disappoint, I'm sure ;)

    I'll let you know the next time I want the opinion of some adolescent who doesn't live here.

    You said that so much more succinctly than I did. Congrats. icon_biggrin.gif