New PPP polls: Republicans might lose House in 2014 due to shutdown

  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 06, 2013 7:28 PM GMT
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/poll-shutdown-hurting-republicans-in-battleground-districts-20131006The government shutdown is already hurting the GOP in battleground congressional districts, according to new polling in two dozen districts currently controlled by Republicans.

    The surveys, commissioned by the liberal group MoveOn.org Political Action and conducted by Public Policy Polling, suggest that the government shutdown may already be having a bigger impact than most analysts realize.

    "Democrats must pick up 17 seats to win control of the House. These poll results make clear that if the election were held today, such a pickup would be well within reach," said pollster Jim Williams. "The surveys challenge the conventional wisdom that gerrymandering has put the House out of reach for Democrats."

    We're still 13 months out from next year's midterm elections and the shutdown isn't even over yet, so it's too soon to draw any conclusions, but this new survey data is supported by national polls that suggest Americans are more likely to blame Republicans for the shutdown than President Obama and other Democrats.


    Conservatives will be here shortly to tell us how PPP's polls are skewed, like they were telling us last year this time when PPP was accurately predicting Obama's win margin over Romney.
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    Oct 06, 2013 8:02 PM GMT
    If they do lose the House, the conservative rump here on RJ will go completely off the hysteria scale.
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 06, 2013 8:34 PM GMT
    If it happens, oh well. Of course, we'll be of the mind that those who DID vote are idiotic and don't know what Socialism means, but what can you do?

    Ex_Mil8 saidIf they do lose the House, the conservative rump here on RJ will go completely off the hysteria scale.


    Hysteria, honey? The conservatives here and pretty much everywhere else don't attack other people like children. Kinda like you just did.

    And it's odd how you seem to think I am a 'sock account' (whatever the fuck that is), simply because I agree with conservatism and Libertarianism? I suppose pretending to think that people like me don't exist is easier than actually facing reality. Ignorance is bliss, right?
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    Oct 06, 2013 8:40 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidIf it happens, oh well. Of course, we'll be of the mind that those who DID vote are idiotic and don't know what Socialism means, but what can you do?

    Ex_Mil8 saidIf they do lose the House, the conservative rump here on RJ will go completely off the hysteria scale.


    Hysteria, honey? The conservatives here and pretty much everywhere else don't attack other people like children. Kinda like you just did.


    Another reason voters are turning on Republicans: their negativity and hypocrisy. Rather than look inward, reflect, and reach out to voters with sensible policies, Republicans attack anyone who doesn't fall in line with the extreme right as "idiots." Because that's really going to make voters who are turned off by you want to vote for you haha.


    And then they turn right around and say things like "conservatives don't attack people like children"...because alienating voters by calling them idiots is so smart and mature.

    Keep digging, Republicans, haha.
  • PIccadilly

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    Oct 06, 2013 8:52 PM GMT
    I don't mean to play devil's advocate but a year in politics is like a dog year. A million things can happen until then.
  • rnch

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    Oct 06, 2013 9:10 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]PolitiNerd said[/cite]...And it's odd how you seem to think I am a 'sock account'....quote]

    Become "verified" here and any suspicions of you being a "sock account" of the several-times-banned Southbitch will end.



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    Oct 06, 2013 9:15 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd said
    And it's odd how you seem to think I am a 'sock account' (whatever the fuck that is)


    I believe I said I wasn't convinced you weren't another 'sock job' (not 'sock account'), so, in spite of your feigned naivety, you are obviously familiar with the term. I wonder what else you are feigning.
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    Oct 06, 2013 9:27 PM GMT
    In the US, being a so called conservative and being a libertarian are in many respects, inconsistent. The conservative faction of the GOP supports big government - subsidies to businesses, wasteful spending, tax breaks and loop-holes rather than letting the market decide. It supports the government being involved in matters of individual conscious, from smoking pot, to the right to choose, to gay sex. So while the libertarian party's presidential candidate in 2012, Gary Johnson, supported gay marriage and legal pot, it was no surprise that conservatives did not agree. After all, when he was a republican, they rejected his call for a 40% cut in federal spending and a simplified tax code. Conservatives love giving tax breaks to everything from the NFL to all types of political and religious groups. The problem for both is that going back to the Tariff Act of 1789 and the (first) Bank of the United States (1797), the US government has always been involved in business and the economy.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 06, 2013 10:25 PM GMT
    neuergriff1 saidIn the US, being a so called conservative and being a libertarian are in many respects, inconsistent. The conservative faction of the GOP supports big government - subsidies to businesses, wasteful spending, tax breaks and loop-holes rather than letting the market decide. It supports the government being involved in matters of individual conscious, from smoking pot, to the right to choose, to gay sex. So while the libertarian party's presidential candidate in 2012, Gary Johnson, supported gay marriage and legal pot, it was no surprise that conservatives did not agree. After all, when he was a republican, they rejected his call for a 40% cut in federal spending and a simplified tax code. Conservatives love giving tax breaks to everything from the NFL to all types of political and religious groups. The problem for both is that going back to the Tariff Act of 1789 and the (first) Bank of the United States (1797), the US government has always been involved in business and the economy.


    I agree for the most part. But there are things about libertarian values that would prevent it from having a power hold for very long. So you have to pick the lesser of two evils.

    As for the Democrats taking over the they house would need to pick up 17 seats which historically never happens in the last Congress of a sitting President. Especially when Obama tracks consistently below 50 percent approval with over %50 disapproval.

    In addition the Dem national committee is in debt , mostly because Organizing for America has siphoned off its donor pool.

    The Senate can easily change hands. Maybe something for another thread.

    And yes PPP is consistently pro democratic. In fact Nate Silver even blasted them for suppressing polling that didnt support its agenda. It would take generations and name change for that polling house to be considered neutral.

    Jay Rockefeller, Mark Begich and Mark Pryor are in trouble. And the vacancy left by Baucus will likely go Republican.
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    Oct 06, 2013 10:46 PM GMT
    Piccadilly saidI don't mean to play devil's advocate but a year in politics is like a dog year. A million things can happen until then.


    Very true. Rupaul's point is to discourage people from voting, right out of the liberal handbook. It's a tactic older than she is. One never knows what will happen, so let's just wait and see.

    Shall I predict Rupaul's angry reply? "You mothafuckin conservapussies hurtin?!? You know you be beaten, so just STFU and go away shitmothafucka"!!!!
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    PolitiNerd saidIf it happens, oh well. Of course, we'll be of the mind that those who DID vote are idiotic and don't know what Socialism means, but what can you do?

    Ex_Mil8 saidIf they do lose the House, the conservative rump here on RJ will go completely off the hysteria scale.


    Hysteria, honey? The conservatives here and pretty much everywhere else don't attack other people like children. Kinda like you just did.

    And it's odd how you seem to think I am a 'sock account' (whatever the fuck that is), simply because I agree with conservatism and Libertarianism? I suppose pretending to think that people like me don't exist is easier than actually facing reality. Ignorance is bliss, right?


    Don't worry about it. Similar happens to everyone new who dares to voice opposition to the 99% leftist line around here. Anyone with a room temperature IQ or above can tell that you're not the famous, southbeach. IMO, you're doing great so carry on.
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 07, 2013 5:05 AM GMT
    freedomisntfree said
    PolitiNerd saidIf it happens, oh well. Of course, we'll be of the mind that those who DID vote are idiotic and don't know what Socialism means, but what can you do?

    Ex_Mil8 saidIf they do lose the House, the conservative rump here on RJ will go completely off the hysteria scale.


    Hysteria, honey? The conservatives here and pretty much everywhere else don't attack other people like children. Kinda like you just did.

    And it's odd how you seem to think I am a 'sock account' (whatever the fuck that is), simply because I agree with conservatism and Libertarianism? I suppose pretending to think that people like me don't exist is easier than actually facing reality. Ignorance is bliss, right?


    Don't worry about it. Similar happens to everyone new who dares to voice opposition to the 99% leftist line around here. Anyone with a room temperature IQ or above can tell that you're not the famous, southbeach. IMO, you're doing great so carry on.


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    Oct 07, 2013 5:20 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd said
    freedomisntfree said
    PolitiNerd saidIf it happens, oh well. Of course, we'll be of the mind that those who DID vote are idiotic and don't know what Socialism means, but what can you do?

    Ex_Mil8 saidIf they do lose the House, the conservative rump here on RJ will go completely off the hysteria scale.


    Hysteria, honey? The conservatives here and pretty much everywhere else don't attack other people like children. Kinda like you just did.

    And it's odd how you seem to think I am a 'sock account' (whatever the fuck that is), simply because I agree with conservatism and Libertarianism? I suppose pretending to think that people like me don't exist is easier than actually facing reality. Ignorance is bliss, right?


    Don't worry about it. Similar happens to everyone new who dares to voice opposition to the 99% leftist line around here. Anyone with a room temperature IQ or above can tell that you're not the famous, southbeach. IMO, you're doing great so carry on.


    I do thankyou for your compliment, Mr. Stranger Person icon_smile.gif


    You're once again correct. It takes considerable effort to be stranger than me.
  • Apparition

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    Oct 07, 2013 6:02 AM GMT
    now would be a perfect time for a "Sensible" party to break out. A wealthy individual should bribe a few star candidates to join the 3rd party, and just non-stop advertise why everyone else should be fired. It could put a huge dent in the standings, and steal from both sides. They could have a whole platform based on really simple and superficial stuff.


    Run promising to pass zero legislation on gays, guns, god, and abortion.

    Run promising to make taxes 25% on everything over $20k, and no other complications. No forms to fill out, just, net income, subtract $20k, and send us a quarter of the rest.

    Pick a few other pet projects to support or not talk about at all (whatever the committee comes up with)

    For amusement...promise that all fillibuster attempts, must be performed NAKED so as to make them rare, and only for things that matter.

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    It would be amusing to see the results.

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    freedomisntfree said
    Don't worry about it. Similar happens to everyone new who dares to voice opposition to the 99% leftist line around here. Anyone with a room temperature IQ or above can tell that you're not the famous, southbeach. IMO, you're doing great so carry on.


    Not true FIF. There is a difference between making a reasoned political argument and stirring the shit (and you know it).

    I respect your political standpoint, but when, for example, you start cheering Rick Santorum (yes, I know you said you'd only vote for him in the primaries) or chick fil a, on a gay website, I think you know you're going to get some shit flung your way.

    As for PolitiNerd, for what it's worth, I don't believe he is SB, nor did I imply he was. But you have to admit, an 18 year old, gay conservative, drag queen, who claims not to know what a sock account is, does seem somewhat implausible. But hey, vive la difference.

    Anyway, in a fraction of the time it takes him to do his make-up, he could get verified and prove I'm just a washed out old cynic.
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    Oct 07, 2013 6:10 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said....As for PolitiNerd, for what it's worth, I don't believe he is SB, nor did I imply he was. But you have to admit, an 18 year old, gay conservative, drag queen, who claims not to know what a sock account is, does seem somewhat implausible. But hey, vive la difference.

    Anyway, in a fraction of the time it takes him to do his make-up, he could get verified and prove I'm just a washed out old cynic.


    Usually if someone won't become verified here; there's a reason why.

    PN could prove me wrong rather quickly.
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    rnch said
    Ex_Mil8 said....As for PolitiNerd, for what it's worth, I don't believe he is SB, nor did I imply he was. But you have to admit, an 18 year old, gay conservative, drag queen, who claims not to know what a sock account is, does seem somewhat implausible. But hey, vive la difference.

    Anyway, in a fraction of the time it takes him to do his make-up, he could get verified and prove I'm just a washed out old cynic.


    Usually if someone won't become verified here; there's a reason why.

    PN could prove me wrong rather quickly.


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  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 07, 2013 10:37 PM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 said
    freedomisntfree said
    Don't worry about it. Similar happens to everyone new who dares to voice opposition to the 99% leftist line around here. Anyone with a room temperature IQ or above can tell that you're not the famous, southbeach. IMO, you're doing great so carry on.


    Not true FIF. There is a difference between making a reasoned political argument and stirring the shit (and you know it).

    I respect your political standpoint, but when, for example, you start cheering Rick Santorum (yes, I know you said you'd only vote for him in the primaries) or chick fil a, on a gay website, I think you know you're going to get some shit flung your way.


    A rational person would know that, but our phony, fake-profiled conservatrolls would rather whine and play the victim -- they are Republicans after all.
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    Oct 07, 2013 10:57 PM GMT
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    But that's the past. Let's get ready for the future

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    Oct 07, 2013 11:00 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree saidphoto chikfila2_zps3c1694c1.jpg

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    But that's the past. Let's get ready for the future

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    franktats said
    freedomisntfree saidphoto chikfila2_zps3c1694c1.jpg

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    But that's the past. Let's get ready for the future

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    You know that's just gonna annoy the OP! icon_razz.gif


    I don't mean to annoy anyone .... really .... really ... I don't.

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    Oct 07, 2013 11:18 PM GMT
    franktats said
    freedomisntfree said

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    You know that's just gonna annoy the OP! icon_razz.gif


    Annoy me?

    This is the best idea I've heard all day. Bush/Cruz 2016! Yes, please!
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    Oct 08, 2013 1:24 AM GMT
    Aristoshark saidOh FIFy, still dreaming of a Jeb presidency.

    You will never see another Bush as president in your lifetime (or mine).


    Yeah, but who said I'll live to 2016?

    Frankly, Rubio or Christie are fine too.
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    Oct 08, 2013 1:31 AM GMT
    Ex_Mil8 saidIf they do lose the House, the conservative rump here on RJ will go completely off the hysteria scale.


    I can hardly wait to watch the hysterical hijinks and highlarity!

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    Oct 08, 2013 1:34 AM GMT
    GAMRican said
    Ex_Mil8 saidIf they do lose the House, the conservative rump here on RJ will go completely off the hysteria scale.


    I can hardly wait to watch the hysterical hijinks and highlarity!

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    How will you see it? I've seen you post that you have all the non-liberals non-Democrats blocked.