Legal joy for homosexual couples.

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    Nov 25, 2008 9:28 PM GMT
    The Dudd Government (Australia) has marked it's anniversary by honouring an election pledge to remove discrimination against same-sex couples in a wide range of federal laws.

    Federal Parliament has approved changes to superannuation laws that allow same-sex couples to leave entitlements to their partner or children upon death. The senate also agreed to a Bill to extend the meaning of de facto to include same-sex relationships.

    The legislation brings equality to same-sex couples in areas including tax, social Security, health, and employment.

    The Bills Deliver on a very important election commitment on an important day for us. (but not for me) Climate change Minister Penny Wong, who is a lesbian, said yesterday.

    But Green Leader Bob Brown, who is gay, said discrimination against same-sex couples would end only when they where legally able to wed.
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    Nov 25, 2008 9:39 PM GMT
    Great But..........as a White indigenous Aussie. A true Blue one at that; the real thing. Homosexuals, and lesbians still get more rights than I do, an White Indigenous Aussie. new comers to this land of Oz, get more rights than I do, I true Blue Aussie; the real thing.

    Homosexuals only one or two or even "ONLY" generations born here, and they are not Aussies. get more rights than I do, again, and still!

    As A pure homosexual. A White indigenous Aussie. Who is blessed to be loved by two great men, and not " ONLY" one. Two men I love dearly also. These Laws have done do nothing but to discriminate against be even more., as I am loved by two, and I love two. I have not made one steep forward, but homosexuals not even born here, or "ONLY" a few generations born here, if that. get rights I don't, and they want to tell me they are the same as I; just because they live here.

    Well the gap has now become even wider, and they now have more rights than I, a person six generations born to Oz, and my family come as pioneers, when there was no infrastructure.

    makes me the modern day black fella of Oz, as newcomers get rights I don't!

    Time I write to our PM, and gay lobby groups.
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    Nov 25, 2008 9:52 PM GMT
    I think you are going to have to explain to us all why they get more rights than you. Why don't they apply to you?
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    Nov 25, 2008 10:08 PM GMT
    UKgunz saidI think you are going to have to explain to us all why they get more rights than you. Why don't they apply to you?


    Because they have the right to commit to their one, and now get de facto recognition, tax breaks and so on. Where I don't have the right too commit to my two men who love me and I them. One has been in my life for almost 20 years, and the other 10 years. Not just a few months, or only a year or two.

    I have not moved forward one steep, where the gay and lesbian communities, have just done a big kangaroo jump for ward with more rights.

    I am a true Blues Aussie, and not just an Australian, a new comer.
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    Nov 25, 2008 10:12 PM GMT
    So they have the same rights in that respect as hetero couples. What you are referring to is polygamy isn't it? Not sure that there are any, western at least, legal systems that give those breaks. You have the same rights as them. What you want are further rights for your particular situation?

    In an equality sense how long you have been in the country or can trace back your roots there is surely irrelevant.
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    Nov 25, 2008 10:15 PM GMT
    No Mr brown you are wrong. The discrimination will not only end when homosexuals have the right to wed. It will only end when I a True Blue Aussie; the real thing, a White indignouse Aussie at that, get the right to wed my two men. At this stage. I only have the right to commit to one of my men, and not both of em. Sorry mate, just not good enough.

    How I can now hear people who have campaigned for equality for minorities. Would say: but Pattison, the majority of the homosexual community in Oz now has more rights, you are only a minority. Bhar Humbug.

    I am being discriminated because I am loved by more than one, and love more than one.
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    Nov 25, 2008 10:55 PM GMT
    Uhm, if I am reading correctly you're comparing two different things and using the "true blue indigenous australian" as if you are being left out and the rest of the australian people are not..well, australians.

    Straight couples have this right as well as gay couples, right? I think that also includes "true blue indigenous australians"..I don't think that what you're saying has anything to do with being an australian or not or even discrimination, it has to do with you wanting polygamy to be legal. Be glad that at least gays are given rights in your country! Geesh.

    The logic that you are using is too fuzzy and does not make sense. Sorry.

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    Nov 26, 2008 12:27 AM GMT
    Hetero couples in OZ only have the right to marry one partner, correct?

    So how is it discriminating if they're holding you to the same standards everyone else is held to?

    Oh, and again... brush up on your English skills there. I had to read what you wrote a good three times before it finally unscrambled itself enough for me to make any sense of it. If you'd like, I can post a few links to some online resources.
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    Nov 26, 2008 4:21 AM GMT
    Wait. Stop. The Aussie government isn't discriminating against you because you are gay (anymore, with the exception of equal marriage). They are discriminating against you because you need group marriage to bring you relationship(s?) to be within the legal framework of Australia.

    Is this right? Sorry, I'm having trouble understanding you.
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    Nov 27, 2008 12:49 PM GMT
    Pattison saidNo Mr brown you are wrong. The discrimination will not only end when homosexuals have the right to wed. It will only end when I a True Blue Aussie; the real thing, a White indignouse Aussie at that, get the right to wed my two men. At this stage. I only have the right to commit to one of my men, and not both of em. Sorry mate, just not good enough.

    How I can now hear people who have campaigned for equality for minorities. Would say: but Pattison, the majority of the homosexual community in Oz now has more rights, you are only a minority. Bhar Humbug.

    I am being discriminated because I am loved by more than one, and love more than one.


    You can hardly call a relationship with someone in Russia who you never see, or don't even phone on a regular basis a 'real' relationship. icon_rolleyes.gif No govenerment would let them emigrate if they were straight on that basis, so you're not being discriminated against in the slightest. Australia has had really generous rules for interdependent relationship for both hetrosexuals and gays for years. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 27, 2008 3:11 PM GMT

    A question: Even if you were allowed to marry both your husbands, how would you do that? You've already said your Russian was gone for good, and that all you can do is wait for a card or letter. He only ever phoned you once, and you won't phone back due to issues of his family, and concern that the cards may stop.

    Remember there were no laws saying gay marriage was a criminal offense, but there are for bigamy (married to more than one person concurrently). Creating a law is different from de-criminalization.
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    Nov 28, 2008 4:40 AM GMT
    ChrisInLDN saidYou can hardly call a relationship with someone in Russia who you never see, or don't even phone on a regular basis a 'real' relationship. icon_rolleyes.gif No govenerment would let them emigrate if they were straight on that basis, so you're not being discriminated against in the slightest. Australia has had really generous rules for interdependent relationship for both hetrosexuals and gays for years. icon_rolleyes.gif


    pattison is a strange duckling, but I wouldn't say his relationships aren't real. Sure, they look shady as hell for anyone working for immigration and probably don't feel like anything most people would call a relationship. But if his heart is all atwitter for his pen-pals then I wont call that not real.

    That said, the argument that full marriage rights for gay couples gives them more rights is silly, silly, silly.