SKINNY & VEGAN and Ripped!

  • Neon_Dreams

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    Oct 08, 2013 1:49 AM GMT
    Hey guys,

    I am beginning to shift back to a Vegan diet after a number of years eating semi-vegetarian (essentially a low-meat diet with lots of diary).

    What is your experience with the Vegan Diet?

    Can you get ripped while maintaining a meat/dairy-free lifestyle?

    What do you say?


    Joe
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    Oct 08, 2013 1:52 AM GMT
    Yes. icon_biggrin.gif
    http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/
  • Neon_Dreams

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    Oct 08, 2013 2:32 AM GMT
    Very cool article on Vegan Bodybuilders! I guess I will just eat more avocados and nuts when I get to hitting the free weights...

    Sounds like an easy diet to me... But, I generally don't crave meat. Cheese, on the other hand, oh boy I love it!


    Joe
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    Oct 08, 2013 3:09 AM GMT
    The 6'1" 200# ripped vegan trainer at my gym says to stay away from soy, except for a little. When he first went vegan he started to get man-tits from the soy and had to have corrective surgery to get rid of them. He is no longer protein obsessed and has found he did not need all the protein he used to eat.
  • Neon_Dreams

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    Oct 08, 2013 4:29 AM GMT
    I don't like soy products at all. Yeah, I heard about the hormone connection but for me it's just that it makes my stomach turn.


  • metta

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    Oct 08, 2013 5:10 AM GMT
    I have been drinking soy and sometimes eating tofu for many years. I have been a vegetarian since 1990. I don't have any breasts. Do more research. It is a myth.
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    Oct 08, 2013 5:11 AM GMT
    woodsmen said^Soy encourages the production of the female hormone.


    This is incorrect. Please get on the internet and do some research (even wikipedia refutes this--wikipedia "phytoestrogens" and notice how many foods that aren't soy have these that you eat every day that you consider "healthy"). Don't propagate unfounded rumors. If anything, soy reduces prostate cancer risk and lacks saturated fat while being a complete protein and having fiber. You can't do much better than that in terms of one food. It is also a sustainable diet whereas meat eating is not because you become the tertiary nitrogen fixer whereas eating soy you are a secondary nitrogen fixer.

    To the OP, you can achieve any physique with any diet. The macronutrient distribution (protein, carbs, fat) still have to closely match your energy expenditure for it to make you "ripped." To someone in the general population who goes vegan, you will likely do it wrong and give yourself a nutritional deficiency and lose muscle gains unless you consult with a qualified nutrition professional, such as a registered dietitian who specializes in vegetarian eating styles (even some RDs don't know how to do it right, but you're better starting here than elsewhere).
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    Oct 08, 2013 6:18 AM GMT
    A more recent New York Times report on soy:

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/27/ask-well-is-it-safe-to-eat-soy/
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    Oct 08, 2013 6:37 AM GMT
    To summarize:
    Soy may or may not be good for you.

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    Oct 08, 2013 7:50 AM GMT
    xrichx saidTo summarize:
    Soy may or may not be good for you.

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    Precisely.
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    Oct 08, 2013 9:09 AM GMT
    woodsmen said^Check out this NYT report on January 4, 2012, titled Vegans Muscle Their Way Into Bodybuilding http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/sports/vegans-muscle-their-way-into-bodybuilding.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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    This guy's tattoo doesnt look appealing at all.

    But it is indeed possible to be toned while being vegan. Lots of hard work though.
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    Oct 08, 2013 10:44 AM GMT
    joecoolnv saidHey guys,

    I am beginning to shift back to a Vegan diet after a number of years eating semi-vegetarian (essentially a low-meat diet with lots of diary).

    What is your experience with the Vegan Diet?

    Can you get ripped while maintaining a meat/dairy-free lifestyle?

    What do you say?


    Joe


    Works for me. But not, I think, if you're aiming for Mardi Gras-float size.

    Check out veganbodybuilding.com.

    And adopt the mantra, "Real men eat plants." icon_smile.gif
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    Oct 08, 2013 11:28 AM GMT
    There are lots of good health reasons to eat vegan of course.... dairy has casein which is a known carcinogenic. Oil is kinda equivalent to 'liquid fat'. If you REALLY want to be ripped, drop oil from your diet too. Most recipes can easily be modified to make this work.

    And, while the list of what you should NOT eat goes on and on, why not try the approach of seeking out the best nutrition and working that into your diet more often? Adding new recipes and giving yourself more quality choices is just a friendlier way to go!

    Lots of good information out there - Campbell, Esselystein, Furhman, Forks Over Knives - video/book, China Study...

    Think about an approach that offers the most nutrition with the fewest calories and you'll be the healthiest ever (a Furhman approach).
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    Oct 08, 2013 3:20 PM GMT
    metta8 saidI have been drinking soy and sometimes eating tofu for many years. I have been a vegetarian since 1990. I don't have any breasts. Do more research. It is a myth.
    The guy at my gym was doing massive quantities of soy products 5-6x/day. He did get man-tits (which appeared as lumps, not breasts) and has showed me the scars on his pecs from the corrective surgery. I doubt that this would happen with moderate or minimal soy intake. They guy I am referring to remains a committed vegan but relies now more on raw food diet than processed food.
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    Oct 08, 2013 5:29 PM GMT
    joecoolnv saidHey guys,

    I am beginning to shift back to a Vegan diet after a number of years eating semi-vegetarian (essentially a low-meat diet with lots of diary).

    What is your experience with the Vegan Diet?

    Can you get ripped while maintaining a meat/dairy-free lifestyle?

    What do you say?


    Joe



    I suffered serious nerve damage from making my body's health a political matter rather than respecting my genetic needs. Basically high inflammatory, low fat, low B vitamin diets will damage the nerve sheaths. Paleo diet is what is working for me but seriously Rules are for Fools. Learn how to read what your body needs rather than making it a political decisionn.
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    Oct 08, 2013 11:54 PM GMT
    QuietontheWesternFront said
    xrichx saidTo summarize:
    Soy may or may not be good for you.

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    Precisely.


    This where I generally end up with the argument. I've heard interesting input on both sides. Whether the studies on either side are biased or not is a very tough question. Soy is a massive cash cow for the food industry, well beyond the boundaries of vegan foods and milk substitutes. Soy is used in almost all processed food as it is extremely cheap to grow. Soy lecithin (sometimes referred to simply as Lecithin) is used to change the texture or thickness of most processed food products.

    I noticed in the past 6 months that almost all bread products in my local supermarkets now contain soy flour. I have the feeling that even if soy was found by researches to cause health issues that the results most likely would never see the light of day, or would be buried by a host of other studies saying the exact opposite.

    Little known fact: "Heroin",the drug, is actually it's brand name. It's a creation of the Bayer company, and was given to soldiers during the first world war. Apparently studies showed that it had absolutely no addictive properties what-so-ever and was therefore a better substitute for morphine.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Romley_Alder_Wright

    I've found that studies are rarely to be trusted entirely as they are so easy to manipulate. A good study on the effects of soy would require decades of study, and a control group that never came in contact with soy, which in today's world would take a small miracle.

    I highly suggest anyone switching to a animal free diet should have their vitamin B12 levels monitored by a doctor. I went Raw Vegan for a while and followed a number of well known vegan mentors online, one of which developed dangerously low B12 levels, which she discovered after her energy levels plummeted. Some people are not able to absorb B12 from vitamin pills, and vegan supplements for B12 (deep sea algaes that are high in B12) can actually contain natural components that block the intake of B12 into the body. Just a heads up those going down this path ;)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC1kIAfccjk
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    Oct 09, 2013 12:27 AM GMT
    Why vegan? Do u wanna be skinny?icon_eek.gificon_eek.gif
  • An0n12

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    Oct 09, 2013 2:42 AM GMT
    Knowing full well that it sounds assholish I'd have to say personally:
    Haha,no.
    Though I do wish you luck in your choice and respect decision to do so.
  • Neon_Dreams

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    Oct 09, 2013 8:33 PM GMT
    Thanks for all the comments guys! Once again, soy is not the issue... I don't like soy nor do I want processed products in my system.

    My diet has been grains, fruits and veggies, nuts, seeds and beans. My belly fat is coming off and I feel more energized too! Drinking mostly water and tea with the occasional coconut or almond milk...

    And, I'm supplementing liquid B-12 which may or may not be necessary for me.

    What do you guys think of my diet???


    Joe
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    Oct 09, 2013 8:45 PM GMT
    Check out my Facebook friend Robert Cheeke. If you're a vegan bodybuilder, he will be very inspirational for you. He now represents Vega protein supplements, but I knew him way before he endorsed anything. Speaking of Vega, I highly recommend this product, even if you're not vegan. It tastes good and you don't get that bloated feeling after drinking it. https://www.facebook.com/robert.cheeke?fref=ts
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    Oct 09, 2013 8:48 PM GMT
    I'm looking to start gaining with a pure organic diet. No protein powders, no pre-workouts. It's awesome to see that it can be done. Definitely inspirational.
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    Oct 09, 2013 8:49 PM GMT
    venue35 saidIt's been two weeks since I stopped eating meat and it's been hard.
    I need to find some good recipes I've been eating as much as I can but I still feel hungry I guess it will take time for me to get used to my new diet


    I kept lots of nuts, nut butters and avocado around the house when I did my transition and it helped a lot. Once you get used to it, you can cut down on them. My big thing is slicing an apple and dipping them in peanut butter. It will kill any craving!
  • Neon_Dreams

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    Oct 09, 2013 9:09 PM GMT
    Venue35,

    try adding your favorite nuts and seeds to fruit/veggie blended drinks.

    I love avocados (600 calories on average) which are loaded with healthy fat. And, hummus is another calorie-dense option.

    Feeling hungry isn't always a bad thing (in my opinion) because it makes you feel alive and lets your body and mind have a better communication. But, I always suggest eating something whenever you are hungry for energy.

    Whenever you reduce toxins like meat from your diet there is a chance of feeling a sort of withdrawal. I get bad headaches for 2-4 days when I am detoxing from meat/dairy.

    Hang in there! Eat better. Eat often. Truly healthy options will not interfere with your goals as long as you exercise enough.

    Just my thoughts,


    Joe
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    Oct 09, 2013 11:05 PM GMT
    vegans have a certain smugness about them that pretty makes them insufferable assholes.
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    Oct 09, 2013 11:08 PM GMT
    Import saidvegans have a certain smugness about them that pretty makes them insufferable assholes.
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    ALL vegans?