Florida Ban on Gay Adoption Ruled Unconstitutional

  • steven_patter...

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    Nov 26, 2008 12:02 AM GMT
    http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/11/25/judge-in-miami-rules-florida-ban-on-gay-adoption-unconstitutional.html

    It's beginning to look like losing the battle in California (and Florida and Arizona and Arkansas) may wind up winning us the war.
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    Nov 26, 2008 12:09 AM GMT
    We've been through this in Florida before. The State will appeal and win, as they have before. It's a nice symbolic gesture, but I'm listening to local TV coverage right now, that also predicts it'll be overturned in the State Supreme Court. The state has already announced it's intention to appeal.

    And the US Supreme Court has refused to hear cases from Florida in the past, upholding a state's sovereign right to determine who can and cannot adopt. This is not the case that will reverse anything.
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    Nov 26, 2008 3:29 AM GMT
    But maybe by the time this makes it through the federal courts, there will be a very different looking supreme court under Obama and maybe just maybe we can begin to correct 200 plus years of wrongs and start to pull this country out of the dark ages. We can only hope that a stop is put to the modern day witch hunt.
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    Nov 26, 2008 3:30 AM GMT
    steven_patterson saidhttp://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/11/25/judge-in-miami-rules-florida-ban-on-gay-adoption-unconstitutional.html

    It's beginning to look like losing the battle in California (and Florida and Arizona and Arkansas) may wind up winning us the war.
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    Nov 26, 2008 3:32 AM GMT
    Obama cannot change the US Supreme Court during his first term. Only liberal justices are likely to be replaced, so he'll be replacing liberal with liberal, which means no change in the court's makeup. Change is likely only in a problematical second Obama Presidency, when some Conservatives may leave the Court.
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    Nov 26, 2008 3:34 AM GMT
    It's great news. But what's to stop the state from doing an Amendment like Arkansas just did to make it permanent? Sorry if that's pessimistic, but my faith in voters is low when it comes to these issues.
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    Nov 26, 2008 7:10 AM GMT
    Definitely shows that steps are being taken in the right direction at the least. Seems like you can't turn on the TV or read the newspaper without hearing SOMETHING about gay rights, which is definitely a good thing. It's only going to get better (well maybe worse at first, but eventually).
  • GQjock

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    Nov 26, 2008 11:54 AM GMT
    Change in Civil Rights comes from the courts ....

    That's why the Judicial review of Calif's Prop 8 is so important
    it will pave the way for Courts across the country to weigh in on these
    ballot initiatives
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    Nov 28, 2008 1:18 PM GMT
    GQjock saidChange in Civil Rights comes from the courts ....

    That's why the Judicial review of Calif's Prop 8 is so important
    it will pave the way for Courts across the country to weigh in on these
    ballot initiatives


    Including Roe v. Wade?

    The country was arguably not ready to legalize abortion. How do i know that? Well the Moral Majority, Christian Coilation, and Jerry Falwell got active in politics much more after that ruling. An the Religious Right has gotten more powerful over time.

    The Cali SC said gay marriage should be legalized--look what happened. Yes on 8 used those "activist judges" as a campaign mechanism to rally the center for tradional marriage.

    Are the courts the right way to go? Or will it rally our opponents even more? What about the legislative route? much slower... but more "democratic."

    I totally agree with what you are saying. But unfortunately ouropponents have a history of getting motivated/powerful when the courst step in.
  • GQjock

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    Nov 28, 2008 2:10 PM GMT
    Whose to say the "It's the Right way to go"?

    That's what the judicial branch was laid to to do
    It reviews the work of the legislature and of the executive to see if they are following the letter of the law and it's constitutionality

    as far as things like abortion go and civil rights you cannot let things like simple majority rule
    or else why have a Judiciary or a constitution at all?
    Just have a simple vote on everything
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    May 10, 2010 2:43 AM GMT
    A new, interesting twist on Gay Adoption, George "Rentboy" Rekers, and Florida AG (and gubernatorial candidate) Bill "Impeach!" McCollum from http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/columnists/os-loc-mike-t-column-0509,0,3112654.story in regards to McCollum's attempt to uphold the 1977 Anita Bryant era law that banned gay adoption against the opposition of the Secretary of the Department of Children and Families...

    "In December 2004, a state welfare worker brought a baby and his 4-year-old brother to Gill in hopes he could provide them a decent Christmas. The older boy was dressed in filthy clothes, infected with ringworm and all but comatose. Gill took them in.

    Almost six years later, they are a happy family.

    We have a state agency that supposedly supports happy families and an attorney general who is OK with his gay consultant adopting children, trying to break them up because of a law that nobody in either agency admits supporting.

    And eager to help them was a psychologist whose luggage handler advertises with rentboy.com.?"
  • metta

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    Mar 15, 2015 1:28 AM GMT
    Gay adoption ban overturned in Florida


    Outdated language banning same-sex parents from adopting in Florida is set to be removed from law


    - See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/gay-adoption-ban-overturned-florida130315
  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 17, 2015 2:05 AM GMT
    steven_patterson saidhttp://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/11/25/judge-in-miami-rules-florida-ban-on-gay-adoption-unconstitutional.html

    It's beginning to look like losing the battle in California (and Florida and Arizona and Arkansas) may wind up winning us the war.
    Just because we were victorious in California does not guarantee additional victories for gays in other states especially more conservative states like Florida, Arkansas, Arizona, and Texas. Especially Texas since it is among the most stubbornly religious conservative state in the US.