Bill Moyers essay: Tea Partiers have sucked the last bit of soul from the GOP.

  • ChicagoSteve

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    Oct 08, 2013 10:54 AM GMT
    Bill Moyers tells it like it is in this essay of what amounts to basically sabotage of the democratic process.

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    Oct 08, 2013 12:20 PM GMT
    he's absolutely wrong, the Dems are voting for their constituents and so are the Reps while they all bury us in debt
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    Oct 08, 2013 12:35 PM GMT
    somersault saidhe's absolutely wrong, the Dems are voting for their constituents and so are the Reps while they all bury us in debt


    He's absolutely right, the Republicans are the ones preventing this shutdown from ending because they still won't give up on something that has become law and was upheld by the Supreme Court.
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    Oct 08, 2013 1:01 PM GMT
    perhaps they know it's a shit law and not even close to being implementable - even the unions and Fed workers wanted out. So Obama, being the toad he is, granted exceptions. Ah but not to the healthy 20-30 years olds they need to milk to fund this crap
  • musclmed

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    Oct 08, 2013 2:19 PM GMT
    Bill Moyers has long been on one side. Just because he associated himself with PBS doesnt lend him credibility.

    If one just looks at the history of shutdowns in the past 40 years you will find shutdowns over abortion, and other issues even when 1 party controlled both houses.

    The ACA was passed/amended in the senate as a spending bill using budget reconciliation. So it is only fitting that it continue to be amended as a spending bill. All spending is up for debate during budget reconciliation.

    The 1986 immigration act was partially defunded during budget proceedings in the late 80's to neuter it and prevent border enforcement.
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    Oct 08, 2013 2:47 PM GMT
    somersault saidperhaps they know it's a shit law and not even close to being implementable - even the unions and Fed workers wanted out. So Obama, being the toad he is, granted exceptions. Ah but not to the healthy 20-30 years olds they need to milk to fund this crap


    And us oldsters are seeing huge premium increases too. Me to almost $800 per month. My younger brother who is self employed to over $1,600 a month for him, wife and one kid.

    Wonder what affect this is going to have on the general economy?
  • rnch

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    Oct 08, 2013 3:46 PM GMT
    ChicagoSteve said
    somersault saidhe's absolutely wrong, the Dems are voting for their constituents and so are the Reps while they all bury us in debt


    He's absolutely right, the Republicans are the ones preventing this shutdown from ending because they still won't give up on something that has become law and was upheld by the Supreme Court.



    How can everyone not see the truth, logic and absolute correctness in ChicagoSteve's reply?
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    Oct 08, 2013 3:48 PM GMT
    Is the ACA bad law? Perhaps. Does it need improvement? Of course. But there is a way to do this that has worked for over 200 years. It is called elections and the courts. The GOP has failed to put up an alternative that the American people support and they lost in the Supreme Court. They have failed to make suggestions to improve the ACA.

    At this time, it appears that a majority in the House (Dems and a few members of the GOP) support ending the shutdown, but the speaker won't bring it to the floor. Thomas Brackett Reed must be turning over in his grave to see what has happened to his party.
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    Oct 08, 2013 5:58 PM GMT
    ^^

    yeah and Thomas Jefferson and James Madison would vomit to see what Obama has done to the Dems

    thanks for the $8 trillion in debt Obama
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    Oct 09, 2013 12:12 AM GMT
    When Clinton left office, we were in the process of paying down the debt. Bush let the genie out of the bottle with the first war in American History not paid for by a special war tax. That coupled with a general tax cut and we were on our way to a mess. From the War of 1812 forward, each war was paid for by a tax. That alone added almost $1,000,000,000,000, that is trillion to the debt. Couple that with spending by both parties and you have the mess we have now. But it is disingenuous to put the blame on just one party.
  • ChicagoSteve

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    Oct 09, 2013 12:19 AM GMT
    somersault saidperhaps they know it's a shit law and not even close to being implementable - even the unions and Fed workers wanted out. So Obama, being the toad he is, granted exceptions. Ah but not to the healthy 20-30 years olds they need to milk to fund this crap


    But does it make any sense to you for a group of politicians to basically lie down on the floor in a kicking and screaming temper tantrum because they lost and at the same time risk bringing the the entire f++++++g country down in flames? What kind of sense is that? The Republicans lost on Obama care, they need to accept it and move on!
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    Oct 09, 2013 12:48 AM GMT
    neuergriff1 saidWhen Clinton left office, we were in the process of paying down the debt. Bush let the genie out of the bottle with the first war in American History not paid for by a special war tax. That coupled with a general tax cut and we were on our way to a mess. From the War of 1812 forward, each war was paid for by a tax. That alone added almost $1,000,000,000,000, that is trillion to the debt. Couple that with spending by both parties and you have the mess we have now. But it is disingenuous to put the blame on just one party.


    Which created the largest tax revenure increase in the nation's history

    http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/113012-635352-bush-tax-cuts-did-not-cause-deficits.htm?p=full

    "After President Bush in late May 2003 signed the largest tax cut since President Reagan — including dropping the top marginal rate to 35% from 39.6% — government receipts from individual income taxes rose from $793.7 billion to a peak of $1.16 trillion in 2007, when the mortgage crisis began, a 47% jump.

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    Oct 09, 2013 1:22 AM GMT
    ChicagoSteve said
    somersault saidperhaps they know it's a shit law and not even close to being implementable - even the unions and Fed workers wanted out. So Obama, being the toad he is, granted exceptions. Ah but not to the healthy 20-30 years olds they need to milk to fund this crap


    But does it make any sense to you for a group of politicians to basically lie down on the floor in a kicking and screaming temper tantrum because they lost and at the same time risk bringing the the entire f++++++g country down in flames? What kind of sense is that? The Republicans lost on Obama care, they need to accept it and move on!


    makes perfectly good sense to me. and what has changed since the shut down?, not much
  • ChicagoSteve

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    Oct 09, 2013 1:52 AM GMT
    somersault said
    ChicagoSteve said
    somersault saidperhaps they know it's a shit law and not even close to being implementable - even the unions and Fed workers wanted out. So Obama, being the toad he is, granted exceptions. Ah but not to the healthy 20-30 years olds they need to milk to fund this crap


    But does it make any sense to you for a group of politicians to basically lie down on the floor in a kicking and screaming temper tantrum because they lost and at the same time risk bringing the the entire f++++++g country down in flames? What kind of sense is that? The Republicans lost on Obama care, they need to accept it and move on!


    makes perfectly good sense to me. and what has changed since the shut down?, not much

    Wait until October 17th when the U.S. defaults on its debt and it will literally have a ripple effect globally and possibly push us back into a recession.
  • rnch

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    Oct 09, 2013 2:04 AM GMT
    Somersault has all the intellectual depth of cow piss on a flat rock.
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    Oct 09, 2013 2:56 AM GMT

    swallow your soul

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    Oct 09, 2013 3:17 AM GMT
    ChicagoSteve said
    somersault saidperhaps they know it's a shit law and not even close to being implementable - even the unions and Fed workers wanted out. So Obama, being the toad he is, granted exceptions. Ah but not to the healthy 20-30 years olds they need to milk to fund this crap


    But does it make any sense to you for a group of politicians to basically lie down on the floor in a kicking and screaming temper tantrum because they lost and at the same time risk bringing the the entire f++++++g country down in flames? What kind of sense is that? The Republicans lost on Obama care, they need to accept it and move on!


    lets not forget, these sociopaths also lost, that has them fumming:

    1) don't ask don't tell
    2) Prop8
    3) DOMA
    4) ENDA (pending)
    5) gun control (pending)
    6) Syria (for the republican war profiteers)
    7) Obamacare (already a law)
    icon_cool.gif Immigration reform (after this mess is concluded)
    9) Tax reform (after this mess is concluded)
    10) wicked evil Pope stepped down in favor of moderate
    11) ended Iraq war and Afghanistan next year
    12) killed Bin Laden in a raid


    It seems to me that the current mess, republicans and the right wing tea party are grabbing at straws to try to stop anything else that Obama has successfully done already, that they of course hate with their very evil souls, I personally think Obama is doing a pretty good job considering the evil he is up against, I mean, even the Vatican gave up the stupid shit, If all goes well, our country will NEVER have another republican president again. if so, what will the focus be for them? change back everything Obama implemented and fought for? We don't want to return to the stone age again, do we? progress is progress and "conservatism" doesn't fit

    "this is the dawning of the age of aquarius"
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    Oct 09, 2013 3:28 AM GMT
    rnch saidSomersault has all the intellectual depth of cow piss on a flat rock.


    +1

    BIG TIME!
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    Oct 09, 2013 3:43 AM GMT
    turtleneckjock said
    rnch saidSomersault has all the intellectual depth of cow piss on a flat rock.


    +1

    BIG TIME!


    he is just young and misguided, influenced by fear
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 09, 2013 3:46 AM GMT
    rnch said
    ChicagoSteve said
    somersault saidhe's absolutely wrong, the Dems are voting for their constituents and so are the Reps while they all bury us in debt


    He's absolutely right, the Republicans are the ones preventing this shutdown from ending because they still won't give up on something that has become law and was upheld by the Supreme Court.



    How can everyone not see the truth, logic and absolute correctness in ChicagoSteve's reply?


    Um... because it's not true, illogical and completely incorrect?

    Oh, and I'm verified now, so perhaps I am actually real and not some idiot? But of course, the Left think that anyone who is not Leftist is wrong, no matter what it is, right?
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 09, 2013 3:47 AM GMT
    ChicagoSteve said
    somersault said
    ChicagoSteve said
    somersault saidperhaps they know it's a shit law and not even close to being implementable - even the unions and Fed workers wanted out. So Obama, being the toad he is, granted exceptions. Ah but not to the healthy 20-30 years olds they need to milk to fund this crap


    But does it make any sense to you for a group of politicians to basically lie down on the floor in a kicking and screaming temper tantrum because they lost and at the same time risk bringing the the entire f++++++g country down in flames? What kind of sense is that? The Republicans lost on Obama care, they need to accept it and move on!


    makes perfectly good sense to me. and what has changed since the shut down?, not much

    Wait until October 17th when the U.S. defaults on its debt and it will literally have a ripple effect globally and possibly push us back into a recession.


    Honey, even I know that there is no defaulting. They will just stop spending.

    Do you deliberately lie? Or are you just that uninformed and dogmatic?
  • musclmed

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    Oct 09, 2013 3:50 AM GMT
    neuergriff1 saidIs the ACA bad law? Perhaps. Does it need improvement? Of course. But there is a way to do this that has worked for over 200 years. It is called elections and the courts. The GOP has failed to put up an alternative that the American people support and they lost in the Supreme Court. They have failed to make suggestions to improve the ACA.

    At this time, it appears that a majority in the House (Dems and a few members of the GOP) support ending the shutdown, but the speaker won't bring it to the floor. Thomas Brackett Reed must be turning over in his grave to see what has happened to his party.


    But it was a budget bill that passed with 51 votes in the Senate. Not like "any old law"

    It can be amended by the budget process, and BTW thats how the bill was amended the first time.

    do some research.
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    Oct 09, 2013 5:26 AM GMT
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    PolitiNerd saidHoney, even I know that there is no defaulting. They will just stop spending.

    Do you deliberately lie? Or are you just that uninformed and dogmatic?

    Well, what you think you know is wrong. The debt ceiling doesn't relate to future debt, it relates to monies already spent. So your answer of "stopping spending" is simply stupid. Go back to ranting about how much you hate Kevin Rudd and leave the adults to talk.


    Would it not be better to encourage a precocious, smart young man such as this one to get involved and stay involved in civics/currents events/politics/government?

    After all, most schools systems require a high school senior to take and successfully pass a government or problems of democracy or civics course. Shouldn't we be collectively thrilled that he's using it versus so many young folks wrapped up in Facebook, video games or smoking pot.

    Jeff, you taught school for a number of years, correct?

    Although some may not agree with him, shouldn't he be commended for having any reasoned opinion at all?
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    Oct 09, 2013 8:24 AM GMT
    ChicagoSteve said
    somersault said
    ChicagoSteve said
    somersault saidperhaps they know it's a shit law and not even close to being implementable - even the unions and Fed workers wanted out. So Obama, being the toad he is, granted exceptions. Ah but not to the healthy 20-30 years olds they need to milk to fund this crap


    But does it make any sense to you for a group of politicians to basically lie down on the floor in a kicking and screaming temper tantrum because they lost and at the same time risk bringing the the entire f++++++g country down in flames? What kind of sense is that? The Republicans lost on Obama care, they need to accept it and move on!


    makes perfectly good sense to me. and what has changed since the shut down?, not much

    Wait until October 17th when the U.S. defaults on its debt and it will literally have a ripple effect globally and possibly push us back into a recession.



    actually "defaulting on the debt" just means not paying interest and principal on the outstanding Treasury Bonds, Notes and Bills. And why, exactly, do we need $17 TRILLION in debt?
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    Oct 09, 2013 1:48 PM GMT
    freedomisntfree said

    "After President Bush in late May 2003 signed the largest tax cut since President Reagan — including dropping the top marginal rate to 35% from 39.6% — government receipts from individual income taxes rose from $793.7 billion to a peak of $1.16 trillion in 2007, when the mortgage crisis began, a 47% jump.


    Didn't stop them borrowing more though, did it?

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