OK, Conservative types, what's this?

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 09, 2013 4:47 AM GMT
    Michele Bachmann, "This happened and as of today the United States is willingly, knowingly, intentionally sending arms to terrorists," she said. "Now what this says to me, I’m a believer in Jesus Christ, as I look at the End Times scripture, this says to me that the leaf is on the fig tree and we are to understand the signs of the times, which is your ministry, we are to understand where we are in God’s End Times history.”
    "Rather than seeing this as a negative, we need to rejoice, Maranatha Come Lord Jesus, His day is at hand," Bachmann added. “When we see up is down and right is called wrong, when this is happening, we were told this; these days would be as the days of Noah.”

    This is a member of Congress?

  • PolitiMAC

    Posts: 728

    Oct 09, 2013 4:54 AM GMT
    meninlove said Michele Bachmann, "This happened and as of today the United States is willingly, knowingly, intentionally sending arms to terrorists," she said. "Now what this says to me, I’m a believer in Jesus Christ, as I look at the End Times scripture, this says to me that the leaf is on the fig tree and we are to understand the signs of the times, which is your ministry, we are to understand where we are in God’s End Times history.”
    "Rather than seeing this as a negative, we need to rejoice, Maranatha Come Lord Jesus, His day is at hand," Bachmann added. “When we see up is down and right is called wrong, when this is happening, we were told this; these days would be as the days of Noah.”

    This is a member of Congress?



    You seem to be confusing a religious crazy person with conservatism. There is a clear and defined difference.

    If your intention was to somehow lump EVERY conservative in line with the crazy stupidity of Bachmann, then you are quite immature. I could dig up all the dumb Socialists that got millions of people killed and try to lump you with them, couldn't I? I could look up all the stupid things that even Democrats have done...like the government shutdown! icon_biggrin.gif Sorry, that was a bit gratuitous ;)

    But I won't lump you with Stalin, Mao and Hitler, because I'm not a juvenile, and I pay attention to what is actually important.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 09, 2013 5:14 AM GMT
    Well, no, you're not, Politinerd.

    But what you are is exceedingly defensive.

    I'm asking about this member in particular and what the conservatives here think of this (her). You should consider that we know a large number of Conservatives in real life and share some common perspectives. This question is for the ones on RJ.
  • PolitiMAC

    Posts: 728

    Oct 09, 2013 6:05 AM GMT
    Aristoshark saidActually, a solid majority of the conservatives in this country are in fact every bit as religious and deluded as Michele Bachmann. We call them the Tea Party.

    And the fact that you think the shutdown was caused by Democrats is proof enough that you truly have no idea what you're talking about. But bless your heart, that never stops conservatives from yapping. In fact it's almost a prerequisite.


    I love you, too icon_smile.gif

    EDIT: Also, conservatives in America may be high in number like Bachmann (I hardly believe over half though), but what about conservatives int he rest of the world? I can certainly say that there are none of any consequence in Australia and I have never seen one in England.

    So perhaps, you should say conservatives IN AMERICA, rather than try and tar all of us with the same brush inaccurately.
  • PolitiMAC

    Posts: 728

    Oct 09, 2013 6:17 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    PolitiNerd saidSo perhaps, you should say conservatives IN AMERICA, rather than try and tar all of us with the same brush inaccurately.

    Quite right. I admit I know very little about what constitute conservatism in the rest of the world, though my European friends tell me that their "rightist" parties are actually to the left of our Democrats. So I should have said American conservatives. I concede the point.


    Thankyou, AS. I will agree that from what I have seen in Europe, the so called rightist parties are usually quite leftist. At least in England. Germany's Merkel is supposed to be conservative, but I don't know to what extent.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 09, 2013 8:43 AM GMT
    that statement is in reference to biblical prophecy of the end times, Armageddon. Understand that what I'm about to say is only a translation of many things that i've read and researched. I will encourage others to do their own research as well. From what I've found, there is plenty of evidence and events that support biblical prophecies that are indicative of the end times are in motion. In fact, the destruction of Syria is one of them. If it is going to align with prophecy, it has to happen pretty soon.

    According to what I have read, the United States is the Babylon. The statement she is making is most likely reference to a biblical quote from the end times that translates that statement as reference to what is currently happening politically. I will say that that statement is correct. I know exactly where she is coming from.

    About me, I didn't vote last year. The democrats and republicans are the same. I have been enlightened to what has been transpiring over the past few months. I've spent 6-8 hours a day researching since 6/28.

    What I will say is that after I concluded my journey, I was enlightened and loved!!

    However, my skepticism comes from know that there is a multinational movement for a global one world dominance. The prophecies that have come to fruition are mostly man-made? Yet, those can be supported by random events that have an unusual timing, symbolism, or numerical equivalent that supports them.

    Keep this in mind......this is not theory, this is not conspiracy, this is/could be prophecy! There will be a point where things will start to play out as the bible says.....very literally!!

    Best wishes!!
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 09, 2013 9:59 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidI will agree that from what I have seen in Europe, the so called rightist parties are usually quite leftist. At least in England. Germany's Merkel is supposed to be conservative, but I don't know to what extent.


    Merkel is in no way a conservative, in the (current) US sense of the word. She often adopts the policies of her leftist SPD opposition. This includes her decision to end military conscription, which went into effect in 2011, and her support for calls to institute a mandatory minimum wage – both trademark issues of the left. Her clearest switch came on nuclear power. Her centre-right government had extended the life span of the country's reactors. But when the nuclear meltdown happened at the Fukushima plant in Japan, she called an abrupt end to all nuclear energy by 2022.

    I suppose she is comparable to the British Conservative Party, as it currently stands, especially since that party's more extreme tendencies have been kept in check by its Liberal coalition government partners.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 09, 2013 11:44 AM GMT
    Somersault....I will encourage you and anyone to not joke about this. I know that it's our nature and we have been conditioned to literally disregard about everything to the point of denial of truth and not pursuing justice.

    I wouldn't have even posted anything had my research not involved research that spanned many different schools of thought, religions, astronomy, mathematics, philosophy, numerology, mythology, science and my own personal life experiences.

    The aspects related to man are what appears to be prevalent at the time. However, the magnitude 8+ earthquakes in the 188 cycle that started in Concepcion, CHile then Christ CHurch, New Zealand, the Port-o-Prince, Haiti, fukishima, the Indian one last week that created a 100ft tall island in the ocean. Hardly publicized, Comet ISON is heading toward the sun and has an interesting core that remains unclear as to what it is...and will sling shot after passing the sun and have a tail 10x brighter than the full moon and visible in daylight with head straight towards Earth. We will actually orbit 3 times through it's tail of Debris it has accumulated. THese are REAL!! The North pole has moved 168 miles closer to Siberia, when it hits 40 degrees, all simulated scientific models have the earth flipping poles and us rotating in retrograde. Many other planets rotate in retrograde at times.

    So, whatever all this means...you will have to determine. You can ignore it and risk not having your spiritual house in order.....not my problem!!

    To get an idea of what could be happening and appears to be happening here in America, you would have to do some research of your own.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 09, 2013 12:17 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd said
    You seem to be confusing a religious crazy person with conservatism. There is a clear and defined difference.

    If your intention was to somehow lump EVERY conservative in line with the crazy stupidity of Bachmann, then you are quite immature.

    If maturity is associated with having developed critical reading skills then I think the shoe's on the other foot.

    At no point did meninlove state the political philosophy of Bachmann. Go back and read again. They asked for "Conservative types" to comment on her. And then they asked a rhetorical question: "This is a member of Congress?"

    Now if you knew the political history of the US, and the history of RealJock, you would know that Bachmann has run for the Presidency. And that Conservative-identifying members of this site have praised her here.

    meninlove's question isn't about Bachmann's Conservatism, but rather why do a number of RJ Conservative types support her, and other politicians like her.

    To which I also see an implied connection with the current dysfunctional Congress, with its continuous deadlocks. "Members like Bachmann" is a good place to look, regardless of her political label. And some RJers have been defenders of her political positions, and similar ones by other members of Congress, so let's start by asking them.

    While you are quick to blame the budget impasse on Democrats, whom you identify with Socialists without any solid citations to prove that claim, here we have an actual example of how a Congressional Republican thinks. And there are so many others, like the ones who think women can biologically "shut down" pregnancy following rape, or that global warming doesn't exist, and if it did, accept it anyway as God's plan.

    So I second meninlove's question, and would enjoy hearing opinions on Bachmann's comment, and on those of her like-minded colleagues in Congress. Because this is the Party and the people our Right Wing colleagues here urge us to embrace & support, so I do think an explanation is in order.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 09, 2013 12:50 PM GMT
    meninlove said Michele Bachmann, "This happened and as of today the United States is willingly, knowingly, intentionally sending arms to terrorists," she said. "Now what this says to me, I’m a believer in Jesus Christ, as I look at the End Times scripture, this says to me that the leaf is on the fig tree and we are to understand the signs of the times, which is your ministry, we are to understand where we are in God’s End Times history.”
    "Rather than seeing this as a negative, we need to rejoice, Maranatha Come Lord Jesus, His day is at hand," Bachmann added. “When we see up is down and right is called wrong, when this is happening, we were told this; these days would be as the days of Noah.”

    This is a member of Congress?



    This was a religious woman speaking on a religious radio show about what she believes to other people who believe the same way. You don't have to like it, but for now, in this country we still have freedom of speech and don't have to worry about being hauled in front of hate speech tribunals. So she has the right to say whatever she wants and anyone who wants to disagree has the right to disagree with her. Because she's in politics doesn't mean she isn't allowed to have personal beliefs, just as Progressives are.

    Maybe you care to take a crack at "whats this?" :





  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 09, 2013 1:09 PM GMT
    ART_DECO said
    PolitiNerd said
    You seem to be confusing a religious crazy person with conservatism. There is a clear and defined difference.

    If your intention was to somehow lump EVERY conservative in line with the crazy stupidity of Bachmann, then you are quite immature.

    If maturity is associated with having developed critical reading skills then I think the shoe's on the other foot.

    At no point did meninlove state the political philosophy of Bachmann. Go back and read again. They asked for "Conservative types" to comment on her. And then they asked a rhetorical question: "This is a member of Congress?"

    Now if you knew the political history of the US, and the history of RealJock, you would know that Bachmann has run for the Presidency. And that Conservative-identifying members of this site have praised her here.

    meninlove's question isn't about Bachmann's Conservatism, but rather why do a number of RJ Conservative types support her, and other politicians like her.

    To which I also see an implied connection with the current dysfunctional Congress, with its continuous deadlocks. "Members like Bachmann" is a good place to look, regardless of her political label. And some RJers have been defenders of her political positions, and similar ones by other members of Congress, so let's start by asking them.

    While you are quick to blame the budget impasse on Democrats, whom you identify with Socialists without any solid citations to prove that claim, here we have an actual example of how a Congressional Republican thinks. And there are so many others, like the ones who think women can biologically "shut down" pregnancy following rape, or that global warming doesn't exist, and if it did, accept it anyway as God's plan.

    So I second meninlove's question, and would enjoy hearing opinions on Bachmann's comment, and on those of her like-minded colleagues in Congress. Because this is the Party and the people our Right Wing colleagues here urge us to embrace & support, so I do think an explanation is in order.


    "why do a number of RJ Conservative types support her"

    A number of??? Who besides me? I think I'm the only one who has said anything halfway kind about her.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 09, 2013 1:57 PM GMT


    Lol @ the freedom of speech excuse. Quite frankly, it's a good thing she's flapping her gums so everyone can know what she's about. I find it astonishing that a country such as yours would tolerate someone like that at the helm of your country. She's unable to separate her religiosity from her politics, and that's dangerous.

    She was not speaking as little Nell from the countryside, a guest on a show, but as guest Michele Bachmann, member of congress.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 09, 2013 2:24 PM GMT


    Lastly, though she's free to yap all she wants (freedom of speech) many of you aren't. Just look at the hidden pics etc and need for anonymity here.

    Freedom of speech. Right.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 09, 2013 2:51 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    Lastly, though she's free to yap all she wants (freedom of speech) many of you aren't. Just look at the hidden pics etc and need for anonymity here.

    Freedom of speech. Right.


    icon_lol.gif

    I'm in a really bitchy mood today so I find that particularly funny.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 10, 2013 8:21 AM GMT
    meninlove said

    Lastly, though she's free to yap all she wants (freedom of speech) many of you aren't. Just look at the hidden pics etc and need for anonymity here.

    Freedom of speech. Right.


    I'm assuming you're talking about shybuffguy regarding those hidden pics? You do know that catfish douche posted his face pics on here before, so they really aren't that hard to find if you are REALLY interested in seeing him...
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 10, 2013 2:51 PM GMT
    james565 said
    meninlove said

    Lastly, though she's free to yap all she wants (freedom of speech) many of you aren't. Just look at the hidden pics etc and need for anonymity here.

    Freedom of speech. Right.


    I'm assuming you're talking about shybuffguy regarding those hidden pics? You do know that catfish douche posted his face pics on here before, so they really aren't that hard to find if you are REALLY interested in seeing him...


    lol, no. Only the reference to freedom of speech. icon_wink.gif

  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 10, 2013 3:18 PM GMT
    Michelle Bachman's message is confusing. She's blaming Obama for bringing on the apocalypse and yet she's singing "Rejoice, These are The End Times!"

    Republicans have a similar messaging problem over the shutdown. They've gloated over shutting the government and claimed that the shutdown would even prove beneficial. Then they push the message that their beneficial shutdown is Obama's fault.

    Like Bachmann, they have no idea how crazy they sound.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 14, 2013 11:18 AM GMT
    just playing devils advocate because I believe something completely different which is that we have always had a 3 party system: the republican, democrats, and banks. The banks have operated in a 3d world under the illusion of a public viewing government in a 2d world. The banks infiltrated both parties and now have a majority in each of those parties. Thus, I say they are both the same and which is also why I turned in my Democratic card this past year. I did not vote for OB and can't figure out why anyone would. Here are a couple of quotes that speak to what I'm talking about.

    "I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Thomas Jefferson

    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson

    What I do believe is that their are Libertarian Democrats and Republicans that are trying to restore the Constitution and the country to the people. Yet, we don't seem to want what our forefathers gave to us! I don't get it! OB bailed out the banks, ran up the debt, and now wants to raise the debt ceiling. The Democratic Senate denied an Audit the Fed Bill that was overwhelmingly supported by the House. Jobless rates are increasing, taxes have gone up and more bubbles have been created. The end result of this money printing will be stagflation, inflation, and deflation.

    Why is it now the Congress's fault the government is closed when OB orchestrated the implementation of OB care with the reach of the debt ceiling? In fact, the government isn't closed....they are on PAID vacation. If OB is guaranteeing their pay, why aren't they working? They probably get paid by the month anyway.....so stupid.

    Why do we believe 1 person telling us Congress won't cooperate, instead of the 400 + dems/reps (bankers) and the others that say he won't? Why did he talk with Syria and Russia, backing down from his stance on Syria....yet, won't meet or negotiate with the Congress. I don't get caught up in conspiracy, but has anyone considered that the rumors about him prior to being elected might actually be true. If you look up the things Bradley Manning uncovered......wow. One of which was revealed on tape as a War Crime that killed between 80 and 147 women and children. The result was Arab Spring. Reading Manning's history, it's not hard to see that he was profiled to leak this information so that everyone would focus on his private life, sex change, and name change to Chelsea. He's nothing more than the classic beaten down gay boy, striving to overcome adversity, conditioned to fight for rights, and thus, released information he thought compromised human rights. He was treated cruelly by the military following, what he exposed fell on deaf ears, the media exploited his life wanting to be a transgender, and even the gay community turned its back on him (he was removed from being SF prides grand marshall).

    Let me see.....Clinton signs DOMA which we spend 25 years fighting and DON'T ASK, DON"T TELL which told us to not be who we are, yet we still support that party? OB doesn't speak out against DOMA until a month after the supreme court agreed to hear it.....too little too late!! Then they let that Christian Conversion Center off with just an OOPSY.....and yet we still support this party!! Even if a republican president was in office, the supreme court ruling would have held up regardless. Oh, but then, you realize this entire fight has been to line the pockets of the government while denying spousal benefits, all while watching our suffering, baiting us with broken promises for votes, and knowing all along it was UNCONSTITUTIONAL from the get-go!! How can any self-respecting gay person support this Democratic party?

    Am I saying republicans rock? NO.....don't go all republican crazy on me. I'm just saying I can no longer vote for this party, nor do I understand why anyone would.

    When everyone opens their eyes to the polarization of political parties that the media has encouraged (per bank incentive) to keep the public at odds with one another while they continue their agenda, then the faster we all can come to the understanding that the GOVT has not been playing by the rules!! That is the real problem!!! Wake up people!!
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 14, 2013 8:31 PM GMT
    awhhhh.......your poor ego must need some attention

    Ok, here goes.

    Oh my god, you're so right. Thank you so much for pointing that out. Finally I can get the help I need. If I only had someone close to me to tell me this years ago I wouldn't have wasted so much of my life being disturbed.icon_cry.gif From this day forward I plan to work very hard at proving to you that I will overcome this.....I will beat this disturbia!! I promise to make you proud!!! Just don't hold your breath, I don't want you to turn blue!!

    Guess I'll just keep on kicking this can down the street with everyone else that doesn't see things your way!!!icon_wink.gif

    but, have a nice day
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 14, 2013 9:31 PM GMT
    no......what I've talked about is not conspiracy....it's prophecy....there is a difference. I think what I said was that there was enough prophecy in play to suggest becoming a bit more knowledgeable about the chain of events that would need to continue to unfold to fulfill the next PROPHECY. That's BIBLE dude. There is a political element to said prophecy that raises suspicion. Is it real....i don't know, I'm not a prophet!! I'm not an idiot either.

    It's only weird and disjointed because you've been zombified and are just now being slapped around with something new that you are ill equipped to fire back on.

    I don't usually pull this card....but, I will this time. I've been a nurse for 19 years, recovering open heart surgeries the past 9 of those. I've taken care of America with my blood, sweat and tears. Never have I been so disgusted with doing my job until now....and not because of all the challenges at work. I see people, like you, just saying doing and treating people with a total disregard. Guess what buddy, nurses are getting worn down and tired of taking care of America!!! You're coming in now with the same attitude you have here. You need to have some damn respect for your fellow citizen.....if not, don't expect it when you're sick. I'm sending bad nursing Karma to you that will increase 10 fold for every negative comment you have to say from here on out. Knock your "weird" and "disturbed" shit off!!!

    The ability of me to put together a cohesive story that you can understand in your zombified state is not possible!! Do the work yourself.....I can't enlighten you for you!
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 14, 2013 10:01 PM GMT
    kevinap saidI'm sending bad nursing Karma to you that will increase 10 fold for every negative comment you have to say from here on out.


    Seriously, you need to give up nursing. You sound like a nurse who is a danger to his patients. Get some help my friend.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 14, 2013 10:18 PM GMT
    Yes, and so is Elizabeth Warren. Crazy recognizes no political dividing line.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Oct 14, 2013 10:24 PM GMT
    WJohnP saidYes, and so is Elizabeth Warren. Crazy recognizes no political dividing line.


    Big deal. Last time I looked she wasn't an ITU nurse.
  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 27, 2013 1:36 AM GMT
    meninlove: ...I'm asking about this member in particular and what the conservatives here think of this (her). You should consider that we know a large number of Conservatives in real life and share some common perspectives. This question is for the ones on RJ.

    She is "spot on" about a lot of things. She opposed the disaster known as Obamacare from the git-go, and she's "spot on" about Bible prophecy.

    Most Bible prophecy experts believe that we are in the End Times, which began when Israel was miraculously reborn as a nation.

    The End Times are indeed characterized by escalating evil madness, such as anti-Semitism, plots to destroy Israel, pagan-Statism, and other rebellion against God, the Bible, and Judeo-Christian morality.

    How about all the dopey lockstep Democrats who repeated Obama's Big Lie that Americans can keep their doctors and their health insurance?

    Statists, marching in lockstep with their Lyin' King Dear Leader. That probably qualifies as a sign of the End Times.


  • Posted by a hidden member.
    Log in to view his profile

    Nov 27, 2013 2:05 AM GMT
    jockie, are you SURE you're a catholic in a state of grace, or a 7th Day Adventist? Theolossians: It was said he would come like a thief in the night and that we were not to know WHEN.

    Here, I picked a dumbed down version of this scripture, to fit your level of comprehension: "For you know quite well that the day of the Lord's return will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night."

    Apparently, neither you or Michele or the other crackerjack prize 'experts' have looked at the obvious.

    So how delightful, by preaching that it's the end times, according to the bible your claims are proof it isn't. According to that scripture, for as long as it's expected it won't happen as it will come UNEXPECTED.

    You ARE Christian, right? *raises eyebrow in doubt*