The Halo Effect.....

  • TannerMasseur

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    Oct 11, 2013 5:17 AM GMT
    Heard of it? Multiple studies & research have been done on it. Based on how attractive u are, ur treated better, thought of as a good person, make friends easier, get a job easier & get paid more. Have u guys heard of the term? Google it to learn more about it. How do u feel about it? Do u think "The Halo Effect" is a big factor in how certain people are treated better than others? Do u find urself doing just that when u meet someone attractive? Do u notice how more inclined u are to show interest? All goes back to natural selection. It's built into our psyche.....
  • TannerMasseur

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    Oct 11, 2013 1:59 PM GMT
    And the studies show the oppositive cognitive biases & reactions occur for those less attractive: ur not treated better, ur thought of as a bad person, ur not as popular, it's harder to get a job & ur paid less.....
  • Laves

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:06 PM GMT
    I've discussed this a lot in my classes, since I'm a psychology major. I think we all do this to some degree...we equate things we like/find attractive to other good things. But this can also be bad for the "attractive" person we are targeting with the Halo effect. If they don't live up to our expectations of them, we may judge them even harsher than normally for "failing" us.

    Going along with this, people think that to make themselves look more attractive, they need to be around less attractive people. When in reality, the more attractive the people are around you, the more attractive you yourself are perceived to be.
  • TannerMasseur

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:17 PM GMT
    Laves saidI've discussed this a lot in my classes, since I'm a psychology major. I think we all do this to some degree...we equate things we like/find attractive to other good things. But this can also be bad for the "attractive" person we are targeting with the Halo effect. If they don't live up to our expectations of them, we may judge them even harsher than normally for "failing" us.

    Going along with this, people think that to make themselves look more attractive, they need to be around less attractive people. When in reality, the more attractive the people are around you, the more attractive you yourself are perceived to be.


    True icon_smile.gif Study also shows that an attractive person can con others more easily because they are attractive. That's why attractive people make good salesman/ saleswoman.....So basically, the more attractive u are, the more positively people will react to u. It's a given.....
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    Oct 11, 2013 2:19 PM GMT
    Yes, I know about this, and have felt it used against me. Since I'm not attractive, and short in stature for a man. Tallness also tends to give men a halo effect.

    So to compensate I smile and try to be polite & gracious in most situations, and considerate & empathetic with the other person I'm dealing with. You can get even more of the halo effect with a smile that's especially warm & engaging.

    Plus, in some situations where I feel I need to establish some of my own authority & importance, I'll use my "command voice". Still with a friendly tone and normal volume, but also a sound that says I'm a person accustomed to being in charge. Because lacking a natural halo effect, I have to manufacture my own.
  • Laves

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:21 PM GMT
    spgem said
    Laves saidI've discussed this a lot in my classes, since I'm a psychology major. I think we all do this to some degree...we equate things we like/find attractive to other good things. But this can also be bad for the "attractive" person we are targeting with the Halo effect. If they don't live up to our expectations of them, we may judge them even harsher than normally for "failing" us.

    Going along with this, people think that to make themselves look more attractive, they need to be around less attractive people. When in reality, the more attractive the people are around you, the more attractive you yourself are perceived to be.


    True icon_smile.gif Study also shows that an attractive person can con others more easily because they are attractive. That's why attractive people make good salesman/ saleswoman.....


    Oh no doubt! And the thing is, is that all of this more or less happens at a subconscious level. You don't necessarily know you're attributing an attractive person with a better personality or as more morally sound...it just happens. Which makes it hard to fight! I'm sure they are much better at customer service as well... it's harder to be rude and mean to someone who you think is a great person.
  • TannerMasseur

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:24 PM GMT
    Laves said
    spgem said
    Laves saidI've discussed this a lot in my classes, since I'm a psychology major. I think we all do this to some degree...we equate things we like/find attractive to other good things. But this can also be bad for the "attractive" person we are targeting with the Halo effect. If they don't live up to our expectations of them, we may judge them even harsher than normally for "failing" us.

    Going along with this, people think that to make themselves look more attractive, they need to be around less attractive people. When in reality, the more attractive the people are around you, the more attractive you yourself are perceived to be.


    True icon_smile.gif Study also shows that an attractive person can con others more easily because they are attractive. That's why attractive people make good salesman/ saleswoman.....So basically, the more attractive u are, the more positively people will react to u. It's a given.....


    Oh no doubt! And the thing is, is that all of this more or less happens at a subconscious level. You don't necessarily know you're attributing an attractive person with a better personality or as more morally sound...it just happens. Which makes it hard to fight! I'm sure they are much better at customer service as well... it's harder to be rude and mean to someone who you think is a great person.



    Yes, it!s very subliminal. The studies are very interesting.....Guys should google it & read up on it icon_smile.gif .....
  • Laves

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:29 PM GMT
    If you want to look into the darker side of the human conscious, you should look up the Milgram experiment. It's unnerving to know most people would more than likely kill someone just because they knew they wouldn't be responsible for it. It also explains why so many Nazis did what they did.

    Not to hijack this thread or anything...haha
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    Oct 11, 2013 2:32 PM GMT
    Laves saidIf you want to look into the darker side of the human conscious, you should look up the Milgram experiment. It's unnerving to know most people would more than likely kill someone just because they knew they wouldn't be responsible for it. It also explains why so many Nazis did what they did.

    Not to hijack this thread or anything...haha


    No problem icon_smile.gif Maybe u should start The Milgram Experiment as a thread to coincide with this one icon_smile.gif .....
  • TannerMasseur

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:33 PM GMT
    itsmesnitches saidhonestly, i think it's bullshit. to confirm such a principle would kill off the idea that attractiveness is subjective. there's NO such thing as someone being factually attractive.


    Google it & read up on it, it's pretty interesting.....
  • Laves

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:38 PM GMT
    itsmesnitches saidhonestly, i think it's bullshit. to confirm such a principle would kill off the idea that attractiveness is subjective. there's NO such thing as someone being factually attractive.


    No, it doesn't. If you find someone attractive, you are more likely to apply the Halo Effect to them. If person A finds someone attractive and person B doesn't, person A will think they have all these positive attributes, but person B wouldn't.

    having said that, I don't think attractiveness is completely subjective. If that was true, there wouldn't be consensus among people that some people seem to be "hotter" than others. How symmetric a person's face is has been shown to have an influence on how attractive people think they are.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:40 PM GMT
    I've been accused of having it. Kind of unfair I think.
  • TannerMasseur

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:43 PM GMT
    Laves said
    itsmesnitches saidhonestly, i think it's bullshit. to confirm such a principle would kill off the idea that attractiveness is subjective. there's NO such thing as someone being factually attractive.


    No, it doesn't. If you find someone attractive, you are more likely to apply the Halo Effect to them. If person A finds someone attractive and person B doesn't, person A will think they have all these positive attributes, but person B wouldn't.

    having said that, I don't think attractiveness is completely subjective. If that was true, there wouldn't be consensus among people that some people seem to be "hotter" than others. How symmetric a person's face is has been shown to have an influence on how attractive people think they are.


    U've only to look at major men's & women's fashion magazines to get an idea of what models should look like. Look at the leading men & women in movies, most are very attractive.....
  • TannerMasseur

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:45 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidI've been accused of having it. Kind of unfair I think.


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    Oct 11, 2013 2:52 PM GMT
    I am Immune to the Halo effect!
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    Oct 11, 2013 2:56 PM GMT
    itsmesnitches said
    Laves said
    itsmesnitches saidhonestly, i think it's bullshit. to confirm such a principle would kill off the idea that attractiveness is subjective. there's NO such thing as someone being factually attractive.


    No, it doesn't. If you find someone attractive, you are more likely to apply the Halo Effect to them. If person A finds someone attractive and person B doesn't, person A will think they have all these positive attributes, but person B wouldn't.

    having said that, I don't think attractiveness is completely subjective. If that was true, there wouldn't be consensus among people that some people seem to be "hotter" than others. How symmetric a person's face is has been shown to have an influence on how attractive people think they are.


    it is. you have a lot of brainwashing going around where they're trying to force people to accept things as beautiful and ugly. they try to make people feel bad for not following the so called "norms" that society has built up from a whole lot of ignorance over time. it's gotten to the point where scientific racism is being used with something like the golden ratio. case in point, eurocentrism and how american culture views beauty. blonde hair, blue eyes, small lips, white skin and eurocentric features=attractive. anything else that doesn't match that=unattractive. one reason why you majority of the time, you see nothing but white people modeling most of the time. you might have a token black guy or asian guy but they'll have a eurocentric feature or two. you have people completely all brainwashed to believe in that shit then you have some white people with a sense of entitlement thinking that they're hot and you have some nonwhites hating themselves, getting surgery trying to fit the culture. then to top it off, we have these companies trying to brainwash people into accepting how the so called "ideal" body is supposed to look such as women having to be skinny, having their hips into a certain shape and having big titties. now they're doing the same thing to the men and as you can see with proof with this site, they have these guys trying to look like thor, big chest, six pack abs,
    and etc with 6% body fat thinking that that's the way the male physique is supposed to be. with that said,

    you'll have folks brainwashed, believing that shit, and then we have a society where people are basically suffering from low self esteem, hateful towards their appearance, thinking that they should be entitled to something such as a boyfriend or girlfriend because they look a certain way, and a
    whole lot of fuckery. i've seen it and i refuse to conform to this sick mentality.


    Well said icon_smile.gif
  • Laves

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    Oct 11, 2013 3:04 PM GMT
    itsmesnitches said
    Laves said
    itsmesnitches saidhonestly, i think it's bullshit. to confirm such a principle would kill off the idea that attractiveness is subjective. there's NO such thing as someone being factually attractive.


    No, it doesn't. If you find someone attractive, you are more likely to apply the Halo Effect to them. If person A finds someone attractive and person B doesn't, person A will think they have all these positive attributes, but person B wouldn't.

    having said that, I don't think attractiveness is completely subjective. If that was true, there wouldn't be consensus among people that some people seem to be "hotter" than others. How symmetric a person's face is has been shown to have an influence on how attractive people think they are.


    it is. you have a lot of brainwashing going around where they're trying to force people to accept things as beautiful and ugly. they try to make people feel bad for not following the so called "norms" that society has built up from a whole lot of ignorance over time. it's gotten to the point where scientific racism is being used with something like the golden ratio. case in point, eurocentrism and how american culture views beauty. blonde hair, blue eyes, small lips, white skin and eurocentric features=attractive. anything else that doesn't match that=unattractive. one reason why you majority of the time, you see nothing but white people modeling most of the time. you might have a token black guy or asian guy but they'll have a eurocentric feature or two. you have people completely all brainwashed to believe in that shit then you have some white people with a sense of entitlement thinking that they're hot and you have some nonwhites hating themselves, getting surgery trying to fit the culture. then to top it off, we have these companies trying to brainwash people into accepting how the so called "ideal" body is supposed to look such as women having to be skinny, having their hips into a certain shape and having big titties. now they're doing the same thing to the men and as you can see with proof with this site, they have these guys trying to look like thor, big chest, six pack abs, and etc with 6% body fat thinking that that's the way the male physique is supposed to be. with that said,

    you'll have folks brainwashed, believing that shit, and then we have a society where people are basically suffering from low self esteem, hateful towards their appearance, thinking that they should be entitled to something such as a boyfriend or girlfriend because they look a certain way, and a whole lot of fuckery. i've seen it and i refuse to conform to this sick mentality.


    I agree with you that there is brainwashing going on. Westernizing and Whiteness have dictated what is supposed to be seen as beautiful and what is not. But that is part of society, whether justified or not. We are heavily influenced by our surroundings. Social norms and practices shape who we are, be it consciously or subconsciously. Even our "subjective" feelings towards something is influenced by outside forces. Attractiveness is one of those things. Society says what is attractive, and so we base what we think is attractive around that. Is it right? No. Does it happen? Yes. If there wasn't a type of "objective" idea on what was attractive, then none of the problems you mentioned would be problems.
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    Oct 11, 2013 3:28 PM GMT
    spgem saidHeard of it? Multiple studies & research have been done on it. Based on how attractive u are, ur treated better, thought of as a good person, make friends easier, get a job easier & get paid more. Have u guys heard of the term? Google it to learn more about it. How do u feel about it? Do u think "The Halo Effect" is a big factor in how certain people are treated better than others? Do u find urself doing just that when u meet someone attractive? Do u notice how more inclined u are to show interest? All goes back to natural selection. It's built into our psyche.....


    I know of it. Have experienced it myself.
    I try my best to not treat people differently based on superficial qualities.
  • TannerMasseur

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    Oct 11, 2013 3:54 PM GMT
    itsmesnitches said
    Laves said
    itsmesnitches said
    Laves said
    itsmesnitches saidhonestly, i think it's bullshit. to confirm such a principle would kill off the idea that attractiveness is subjective. there's NO such thing as someone being factually attractive.


    No, it doesn't. If you find someone attractive, you are more likely to apply the Halo Effect to them. If person A finds someone attractive and person B doesn't, person A will think they have all these positive attributes, but person B wouldn't.

    having said that, I don't think attractiveness is completely subjective. If that was true, there wouldn't be consensus among people that some people seem to be "hotter" than others. How symmetric a person's face is has been shown to have an influence on how attractive people think they are.


    it is. you have a lot of brainwashing going around where they're trying to force people to accept things as beautiful and ugly. they try to make people feel bad for not following the so called "norms" that society has built up from a whole lot of ignorance over time. it's gotten to the point where scientific racism is being used with something like the golden ratio. case in point, eurocentrism and how american culture views beauty. blonde hair, blue eyes, small lips, white skin and eurocentric features=attractive. anything else that doesn't match that=unattractive. one reason why you majority of the time, you see nothing but white people modeling most of the time. you might have a token black guy or asian guy but they'll have a eurocentric feature or two. you have people completely all brainwashed to believe in that shit then you have some white people with a sense of entitlement thinking that they're hot and you have some nonwhites hating themselves, getting surgery trying to fit the culture. then to top it off, we have these companies trying to brainwash people into accepting how the so called "ideal" body is supposed to look such as women having to be skinny, having their hips into a certain shape and having big titties. now they're doing the same thing to the men and as you can see with proof with this site, they have these guys trying to look like thor, big chest, six pack abs, and etc with 6% body fat thinking that that's the way the male physique is supposed to be. with that said,

    you'll have folks brainwashed, believing that shit, and then we have a society where people are basically suffering from low self esteem, hateful towards their appearance, thinking that they should be entitled to something such as a boyfriend or girlfriend because they look a certain way, and a whole lot of fuckery. i've seen it and i refuse to conform to this sick mentality.


    I agree with you that there is brainwashing going on. Westernizing and Whiteness have dictated what is supposed to be seen as beautiful and what is not. But that is part of society, whether justified or not. We are heavily influenced by our surroundings. Social norms and practices shape who we are, be it consciously or subconsciously. Even our "subjective" feelings towards something is influenced by outside forces. Attractiveness is one of those things. Society says what is attractive, and so we base what we think is attractive around that. Is it right? No. Does it happen? Yes. If there wasn't a type of "objective" idea on what was attractive, then none of the problems you mentioned would be problems.


    but here's another problem which is messed up and plays a huge role today. they make people feel bad for not following the norms or shame them for simply being themselves, having their own opinions and etc. same thing applies to us as gay men. everybody here, don't care if they claim they never were, was in the closet at some point in their lives or still is in there. you know, as gay men, we're told by society that it's not normal to be gay and that being straight is normal. so we're seen as different from the jump so we're forced to be in that position. they go about making us feel like we're abnormal too. have these scientists looking for the "gay gene" or studying us like guinea pigs as if we're mutants from x men or something. they came up with the term "unconventionally attractive" which another way of basically making someone feel like an outcast or a weirdo for thinking someone who society says is unattractive cute. of course, you're not going to say that you think so and so is hot or whatever if people are going to say "are you crazy? you think that guy who is overweight is hot? you think craig mack is cute?" nobody wants to be an outcast or be left out. even for us gay guys, they're trying to brainwash to BE a certain way too. if you don't like lady gaga or don't act or behave a certain way, you're not "gay enough" or "ashamed of your sexuality".

    it's such as shame that it seems that people are becoming more robotic if anything because they're programming people to be the same and no longer be individuals.

    don't get me wrong. the halo effect could explain certain ways of thinking but to overlook the factors such as why people think so and so is attractive, societal influences, cultural norms, and etc......


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    Oct 11, 2013 3:55 PM GMT
    MadeNUSA said
    spgem saidHeard of it? Multiple studies & research have been done on it. Based on how attractive u are, ur treated better, thought of as a good person, make friends easier, get a job easier & get paid more. Have u guys heard of the term? Google it to learn more about it. How do u feel about it? Do u think "The Halo Effect" is a big factor in how certain people are treated better than others? Do u find urself doing just that when u meet someone attractive? Do u notice how more inclined u are to show interest? All goes back to natural selection. It's built into our psyche.....


    I know of it. Have experienced it myself.
    I try my best to not treat people differently based on superficial qualities.


    We all should try our best not to be superficial.
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    Oct 11, 2013 4:01 PM GMT
    I think its true, but not so sure the opposite is ... unless people find you really repulsive for some reason.
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    Oct 11, 2013 4:04 PM GMT
    I had noticed this IRL, but I didn't knew until now that this subconscious psychological behavior has a name called "Halo Effect"
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    Oct 11, 2013 4:16 PM GMT
    Harry7785 saidI had noticed this IRL, but I didn't knew until now that this subconscious psychological behavior has a name called "Halo Effect"


    It's also known as The Physical Attractiveness Stereotype or "What Is Beautiful Is Good" Principle.
  • conservativej...

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    Oct 11, 2013 5:20 PM GMT
    It is a construct one can use to one's advantage when needed. There are many halo's, in many forms.
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    Oct 11, 2013 7:29 PM GMT
    Halo effect is actually a more general concept i.e. one person's character may be judged on a single aspect that is not restricted to his physical appeal. It could be his wealth, his talent, his knowledge, etc.

    I certainly do believe halo effect to be real, which is why I always try to so hard to nail on the first impression for something like a job interview. If I can get one of my strengths to make impression on the interviewer within first few seconds of the introduction, and verify that I've done so via the change of expression on the interviewer's face, then I can safely assume that my chance of getting the job has gone up a substantial amount.

    You can see the force of halo effect influencing other people's ability to judge on a daily basis too. One thing we do have to be wary of is that halo effect can work the other way as well; instead of being biased about a person via his one outstanding strength, we can also be quick to judge a person via his one outstanding flaw. So it's always interesting to see how you yourself will react when you observe one trait that you particularly admire and one trait that you particularly dislike emerge from the same person.