Shutdown poll: Republicans blamed and at all-time low as Obamacare gains support

  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 11, 2013 7:42 AM GMT
    The Republican plan to shutdown the government and threaten to blow up the economy all to deny healthcare reform to Americans has backfired brutally according to the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC poll:

    http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/10/10/gop-plummets-obamacare-soars-in-shutdown-standoff/The Republican Party is not just losing the shutdown, it’s losing it in historic fashion.

    The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC survey finds just 24% of Americans hold a positive opinion of Republicans–a record low for the modern party. Meanwhile, Barack Obama’s approval rating has bumped up slightly in the last month to 47%. Even worse for Republicans, Obama’s signature health care law –which triggered the shutdown in the first place–is now liked by a higher percentage of Americans than at any point this year.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/10/the-republicans-worst-poll-yet/The latest NBC/WSJ poll is just a disaster for the GOP. The highlights:

    - By a 22-point margin, the public thinks the Republican Party is more to blame for the shutdown than President Obama. NBC's Mark Murray notes that that's "a wider margin of blame for the GOP than the party received during the poll during the last shutdown in 1995-96."

    - Like Gallup, this poll shows the Republican Party at record levels of unpopularity.

    - - Last month, voters preferred a Democratic Congress to a Republican Congress by three points. This month, it's up to eight points.

    - Obama's approval rating has nudged up by two percent. This is a similar finding to the Washington Post/ABC News poll, which found Obama's numbers slightly improved even as the GOP plummeted.

    - Despite the awful launch, Obamacare is becoming more popular. Last month, 31 percent said it was a good idea and 44 percent said it was a bad idea. This month, 38 percent think it's a good idea and 43 percent think it's a bad idea.


    But I guess if you unskew it, Romney's going to win.
  • mybud

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:15 PM GMT
    brock900 saidI'm so glad I'm not american. I pity them....
    Bro...American democracy has been hijacked by conservative extremists but as always calmer heads will prevail...
  • musclmed

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:36 PM GMT
    It may have been a tactical error to shutdown the government over Obamacare. Because the website and signup is a colossal fail.
    The reason why you are not hearing about signup data is because its horrible. And the pricing only benefits a narrow class. What it will do is cripple access to people who had access before.

    Legally and Constitutionally the House is doing nothing unusual and actually following regular order to try to pass individual appropriations bills. Usually 12 per budget. The rhetoric on the left is just that rhetoric , its devoid of historical fact and lacks credibility.

    What the Obama administration has done with national parks, the military , making the shutdown"painful" will be judged harshly by history. Considering democrats in the past used shutdowns when they had majority power in the past for issues like "Abortion funding" .

    Just as in the sequester, the "doom and gloom" is just that. Thankfully the media as time goes on has less of a strangle over the minds of the American public. Eventually the truth will come out. The metric of a democratic takeover of the house would need a tsunami election that is extremely unlikely unless you hide the President for a year. Its just a pipe dream just like the end of the world from the Sequester and this shutdown.

    What this shutdown has shown, how ultra political and petty this president is.
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    Oct 11, 2013 2:40 PM GMT
    musclmed said

    Legally and Constitutionally the House is doing nothing unusual and actually following regular order to try to pass individual appropriations bills. Usually 12 per budget. The rhetoric on the left is just that rhetoric , its devoid of historical fact and lacks credibility.


    But many in the population (including most here) believe that CRs ARE the way a budget is put together. They have no awareness of the proper way a budget is made because Democrats in the Senate haven't passed a budget in 5+ years.
  • rnch

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:52 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]SeanHamilton said...But many in the population (including most here) believe that CRs ARE the way a budget is put together. They have no awareness of the proper way a budget is made because Democrats in the Senate haven't passed a budget in 5+ years.[/quote]



    Here we have a reply from the latest "sock puppet" account of the multi-times banned RJ ex-member "southbeach".
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    Oct 11, 2013 2:54 PM GMT


    What the hell is this? icon_lol.gif

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-house-gop-s-little-rule-change-that-guaranteed-a-shutdown

  • musclmed

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    Oct 11, 2013 2:55 PM GMT
    SeanHamilton said
    musclmed said

    Legally and Constitutionally the House is doing nothing unusual and actually following regular order to try to pass individual appropriations bills. Usually 12 per budget. The rhetoric on the left is just that rhetoric , its devoid of historical fact and lacks credibility.


    But many in the population (including most here) believe that CRs ARE the way a budget is put together. They have no awareness of the proper way a budget is made because Democrats in the Senate haven't passed a budget in 5+ years.


    There are all types in life. I would hardly call myself typical or average, neither are on the other side.

    Most Americans are clueless about how government works. And some sign "schoolhouse rock" and that's about it.

    That being said the American public time and again is re markedly practical and centrist. When someone says " i wont negotiate" its game over. Over and over again the white house is wrong about its doom and gloom. With its promises and pettiness about the sequester. However its comical how they take credit for deficit reduction from something they said would be horrible.

    If you look to independents you take the pulse of the country. Hard core Republicans will always support the R. As with Democrats the D. Humans are re markedly tribal. Some follow sports, other follow politics. The independents is who you need to track.


    60 percent disapprove of the way Obama is handling his job, while only 16 percent approve. As he began his second term in January, independents tilted positive, 48 percent approved and 39 percent disapproved.


    Obama will bounce back unless he stumbles or becomes practical like Clinton. But 1 thing is clear. NOTHING will happen for this President.

    Obamacare is the albatross that he owns. There is no one else to blame but the administration for it.

    They would want you to suspend reality and actually blame the Republicans for "not voting as a democrat".
  • musclmed

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    Oct 11, 2013 3:05 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    What the hell is this? icon_lol.gif

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-house-gop-s-little-rule-change-that-guaranteed-a-shutdown




    Over and over again the only mode of response from you is just a ? not a response, just questions.

    It would take a few days to go over rule making in each body. But this rule is NOT unusual.

    When the democrats were in power during the Bush years, almost EVERY BILL came under suspension. Meaning the rule committee of the house which votes mainly in party line fashion makes special rules for each particular bill. Limiting amendments etc.

    The rule Van holland is complaining about it is ultimately irrelevant. House rules already say 2/3 of the house by petition can bring anything to a vote. So if they had the votes they could bring the Senate bill up. They dont have 2/3's.

    Finally, what Van Hollland is complaining about is EXACTLY what Harry Reid is doing by tabling all of the House Bills. He is refusing to allow the bills to come to the Senate floor, avoiding the political pressure on Democrats who would break ranks on individual spending bills.

    Again Democrats complain about the EXACT same tactics they are using.

    NO FAIR, you are playing to win......
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    Oct 11, 2013 3:13 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    meninlove said

    What the hell is this? icon_lol.gif

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-house-gop-s-little-rule-change-that-guaranteed-a-shutdown




    Over and over again the only mode of response from you is just a ? not a response, just questions.

    It would take a few days to go over rule making in each body. But this rule is NOT unusual.

    When the democrats were in power during the Bush years, almost EVERY BILL came under suspension. Meaning the rule committee of the house which votes mainly in party line fashion makes special rules for each particular bill. Limiting amendments etc.

    The rule Van holland is complaining about it is ultimately irrelevant. House rules already say 2/3 of the house by petition can bring anything to a vote. So if they had the votes they could bring the Senate bill up. They dont have 2/3's.

    Finally, what Van Hollland is complaining about is EXACTLY what Harry Reid is doing by tabling all of the House Bills. He is refusing to allow the bills to come to the Senate floor, avoiding the political pressure on Democrats who would break ranks on individual spending bills.

    Again Democrats complain about the EXACT same tactics they are using.

    NO FAIR, you are playing to win......



    *looks pityingly at musclmed* Now now, you can't have it both ways. I get criticized for not knowing and also criticized for asking questions? Tsk tsk. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 11, 2013 3:47 PM GMT


    Here's what John McCain, a REPUBLICAN, has to say:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-to-fox-news-no-the-shutdown-is-the-gop-s-fault-video
  • rnch

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    Oct 11, 2013 4:11 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    musclmed said
    meninlove said

    What the hell is this? icon_lol.gif

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-house-gop-s-little-rule-change-that-guaranteed-a-shutdown




    Over and over again the only mode of response from you is just a ? not a response, just questions.

    It would take a few days to go over rule making in each body. But this rule is NOT unusual.

    When the democrats were in power during the Bush years, almost EVERY BILL came under suspension. Meaning the rule committee of the house which votes mainly in party line fashion makes special rules for each particular bill. Limiting amendments etc.

    The rule Van holland is complaining about it is ultimately irrelevant. House rules already say 2/3 of the house by petition can bring anything to a vote. So if they had the votes they could bring the Senate bill up. They dont have 2/3's.

    Finally, what Van Hollland is complaining about is EXACTLY what Harry Reid is doing by tabling all of the House Bills. He is refusing to allow the bills to come to the Senate floor, avoiding the political pressure on Democrats who would break ranks on individual spending bills.

    Again Democrats complain about the EXACT same tactics they are using.

    NO FAIR, you are playing to win......



    *looks pityingly at musclmed* Now now, you can't have it both ways. I get criticized for not knowing and also criticized for asking questions? Tsk tsk. icon_lol.gif




    MM usually has a well-reasoned and logical (if not "Real World" flawed) response.

    Perhaps close association with southbeach/franktats/sean Hamilton/(insert this week's sock puppet account name here) has corrupted his mind and dulled his logic?
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 11, 2013 5:08 PM GMT
    musclmed saidWhat this shutdown has shown, how ultra political and petty this president is.


    More conservative wishful thinking. The American people obviously disagree -- what the shutdown has shown is how deeply and deservedly unpopular Republicans are, and how they're still suffering from the delusion that the American people are on their side, not the President's.
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    Oct 11, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    The poll was heavily overweighted with government workers and Democrats.

    @texasbryanp In today's NBC/WSJ poll, 1 in 5 respondents work for govt. Only 8% of general pop works for govt. See last page.

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/files/2013/10/govt-workers-poll.jpg

    Then let’s factor in the poll’s partisan sample, which was 43-32 Democrat

    Complete poll info here:

    http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/Oct_poll.pdf

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/10/10/about-that-nbcwsj-poll-that-killed-republicans-on-the-shutdown/



  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 11, 2013 5:13 PM GMT
    musclmed saidIf you look to independents you take the pulse of the country.


    Yet more conservative wishful thinking. Most people who are "independents" are simply party-members who are embarrassed to associate themselves with a party at any given moment.

    It makes sense that the President is relatively unpopular with independents right now because most "independents" right now are simply disgruntled Republicans who don't want to associate with the unpopular Republican brand. And who can blame them, since the conservative movement is in a shambles?

    We were told this last year, when these same "independents" were supposed to carry Romney to victory. But you measure the pulse of a country by its majority. A majority re-elected this President less than a year ago, and an overwhelming supermajority is disgusted by conservatives and their terrorist shutdown tactics.

    It's time for Republicans and "independents" to stop trying to unskew reality.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 11, 2013 5:17 PM GMT
    SeanHamilton saidThe poll was heavily overweighted with government workers and Democrats.


    Proving that Republicans have learned nothing from their exact same complaints of last year about unskewing polls that they claimed were oversampling Democrats. As was explained to them last year, 1) there are more Democrats than Republicans right now and 2) Much of the Republican vote is hidden in the "independent" sample since the Republican brand is in the dumps and fewer voters wish to associate themselves with the GOP at the moment.

    The definition of crazy is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Rather than accept that their policies and behaviors are unacceptable to most Americans, are conservative really going to continue to pretend that the problem is not them but poll sampling? Again?

    A repetition of errors shows a lack of intelligence.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 11, 2013 11:47 PM GMT


    Thank you, Senator. Even Republicans are fed up with right-wing conservatives.
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    Does anyone here think we should compromise with the Taliban?
    Or should we instead negotiate their surrender?

    The same principles apply to dealing with this domestic group of terrorists who hijacked the Republican Party.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 12, 2013 4:26 AM GMT
    NewMtler saidDoes anyone here think we should compromise with the Taliban?
    Or should we instead negotiate their surrender?

    The same principles apply to dealing with this domestic group of terrorists who hijacked the Republican Party.


    Unfortunately, we have to negotiate the terms of their surrender with this American Taliban masquerading as a major political party.

    They might be a-holes, but they're our a-holes.
  • KissTheSky

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    Oct 12, 2013 5:01 AM GMT
    If you go look at the right-wing blogger sites, they actually think they're "winning" this conflict. The polls are all wrong, the media is lying, it's all a conspiracy. Just like how the polls were all wrong showing Obama leading up to the 2012 presidential election. Right, President Romney? icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif

  • musclmed

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    Oct 12, 2013 5:48 AM GMT
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    musclmed saidWhen someone says " i wont negotiate" its game over.

    You don't negotiate with terrorists, "doctor".
    Really, how did you ever get through medical school?
    I doubt you did, but you know that.


    you are just a one line wonder.

    So what are you doing for work these days since you brought it up?
  • musclmed

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    Oct 12, 2013 5:57 AM GMT
    TroyAthlete said
    musclmed saidWhat this shutdown has shown, how ultra political and petty this president is.


    More conservative wishful thinking. The American people obviously disagree -- what the shutdown has shown is how deeply and deservedly unpopular Republicans are, and how they're still suffering from the delusion that the American people are on their side, not the President's.


    Obama is near 37% and the republicans are safe in the metrics that matter in 2014.

    They should end the shutdown soon. But it doesnt change anything for Obama. He will have to amend the ACA in some way. How does he accomplish that now?

    Does he leave a defective bill in place as a permanent reminder of the failed policy?


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    Oct 12, 2013 11:36 AM GMT
    Of course republicans are blamed, they are responsible. How can this even be debated? Only the die hard republicans who are not trying to pretend they did not shoot themselves in the foot are trying to blame others. Fact is, they fell for the teabagger logic and now they realize how unpopular they are. Another week and they will lose the house and will have no chance of the White House in 2016. Great job Ted Cruz.
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    Oct 12, 2013 12:29 PM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    musclmed said
    Aristoshark said
    musclmed saidWhen someone says " i wont negotiate" its game over.

    You don't negotiate with terrorists, "doctor".
    Really, how did you ever get through medical school?
    I doubt you did, but you know that.


    you are just a one line wonder.

    So what are you doing for work these days since you brought it up?

    None of your business, "doctor".


    Being a doctor is none of his business.