The Fruits of Socialism

  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 13, 2013 1:34 AM GMT
    Hello everyone.

    I was on my usual blog of Andrew Bolt just today, and he and I share many thoughts. That's why I read and watch him often.

    Here is a post that should be able to give an extreme example of some of the attitudes expressed by many on this site, who condemn those of a conservative or non-Left mindset:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_left_is_the_home_of_the_modern_totalitarian/

    This is definitely not a label across all Leftists, of course, but this is an extreme example of the kind of animosity and supreme arrogance that Leftists sometimes have that they can violently, verbally or physically, impose their own set of beliefs on others.

    Just an example of perspective of what people of conservative thinking see in many people who do not share that view.
  • TroyAthlete

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    Oct 13, 2013 1:57 AM GMT
    Another day, another whiny "I'm such a victim" post from a thin-skinned conservative who cannot deal with criticism. *yawn*

    It takes a high level of cognitive dissonance for a conservative to constantly troll a gay website and then complain about 1) being "condemned" (melodramatic much?) and 2) having beliefs imposed on others.

    Listen, "leftists" don't troll the KKK website posting pro-Obama articles. If we did, we would expect criticism, and not whine about it.

    Conservatives are daily trying to impose their rejected set of beliefs on others. Which is fine, but please stop crying and wetting your pants about getting pushback that anybody with half a brain could see coming from miles away.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 13, 2013 2:34 AM GMT
    TroyAthlete saidAnother day, another whiny "I'm such a victim" post from a thin-skinned conservative who cannot deal with criticism. *yawn*

    It takes a high level of cognitive dissonance for a conservative to constantly troll a gay website and then complain about 1) being "condemned" (melodramatic much?) and 2) having beliefs imposed on others.

    Listen, "leftists" don't troll the KKK website posting pro-Obama articles. If we did, we would expect criticism, and not whine about it.

    Conservatives are daily trying to impose their rejected set of beliefs on others. Which is fine, but please stop crying and wetting your pants about getting pushback that anybody with half a brain could see coming from miles away.



    Interesting but Obama organizing for America Protestors seem to want to show up to conservative events.



    Cognitive dissonance is confusing Beneficence with the progressive political movement. The mantra is win at all costs, and history has shown these actions to be bombings, terrorism , name calling and of course LYING.

    Cognitive dissonance is when Obama lectures us about "tone" and progressives denounce Palin for a crosshair's symbol but can continually accuse legitimately elected representatives of being terrorist's , extortionist and "bomb strapped to their chests"


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    Oct 13, 2013 2:42 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidthis is an extreme example of the kind of animosity and supreme arrogance that Leftists sometimes have that they can violently, verbally or physically, impose their own set of beliefs on others.

    Just an example of perspective of what people of conservative thinking see in many people who do not share that view.


    True.

    And the hysteria is evident in this one:

    TroyAthlete saidAnother day, another whiny "I'm such a victim" post from a thin-skinned conservative who cannot deal with criticism. *yawn*

    It takes a high level of cognitive dissonance for a conservative to constantly troll a gay website and then complain about 1) being "condemned" (melodramatic much?) and 2) having beliefs imposed on others.

    Listen, "leftists" don't troll the KKK website posting pro-Obama articles. If we did, we would expect criticism, and not whine about it.

    Conservatives are daily trying to impose their rejected set of beliefs on others. Which is fine, but please stop crying and wetting your pants about getting pushback that anybody with half a brain could see coming from miles away.



    Trolling! Whining! Shrieks the leftist! icon_lol.gif
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 13, 2013 2:52 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    musclmed saidThanks for the segway.

    The "segway", you illiterate moron?
    The word is "segue". Hint: its origin isn't English.

    As to the OP: It is tiresome hearing you whine about how put-upon conservatives are. Here's something you clearly don't know: socialism, by definition, requires the workers' ownership of the means of production. That's not a side issue, it IS the issue. It is the definition of socialism.

    Now where do we see that in the USA or Australia?
    Right.
    Nowhere.
    So really, shut up.


    I have never said how us 'poor, poor' conservatives are just so 'hard done by'. So get that out of your head. I am not debating the definition of socialism, I am asserting that Leftists, in this case, Socialists, refuse to allow other opinion without attacking those who have another, just like you are having a mini crisis about someone misspelling "segue-way", and of course, our favourite friend, TroyAthlete, who insists on maintaining that all conservative/Republican/Coalition people do is 'whine' when I have done no such thing.

    I posted to highlight how people on the Left attack those who do not agree, and I qualified this by saying that the video I posted was an extreme example, but representative of people such as yourself and your attitude towards people like me.

    I made no such claim that Socialism was an entrenched thing in any country, but, contrary to what you might think, the Labor Party, the Greens Party in Australia, and many others across the world, are very much Socialist. Just not officially.

    The fact that you told me to shut up represents my point; you disparage my viewpoint and position, and completely unwilling to see my point, and in fact, do the very same thing you and TroyAthlete say I am just "whining" about.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 13, 2013 2:57 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    musclmed saidThanks for the segway.

    The "segway", you illiterate moron?
    The word is "segue". Hint: its origin isn't English.

    As to the OP: It is tiresome hearing you whine about how put-upon conservatives are. Here's something you clearly don't know: socialism, by definition, requires the workers' ownership of the means of production. That's not a side issue, it IS the issue. It is the definition of socialism.

    Now where do we see that in the USA or Australia?
    Right.
    Nowhere.
    So really, shut up.


    Wow i cant even finish a post before you jump up with a red pen.

    Although it may provide temporary gratification to assail you and bring up your many thousands of drunken posts - filled with spelling errors and rants endless "im leaving RJ" and coming back 2 hours later. I wont go there.

    One wonders since you seem to be an expert in everything why it hasn't worked out for you so far?


    Simmer in that sauce shark.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 13, 2013 3:08 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    musclmed said
    One wonders since you seem to be an expert in everything why it hasn't worked out for you so far?

    Simmer in that sauce shark.

    What exactly "hasn't worked out" for me? I've accomplished more in my lifetime than you'll ever dream of. And I don't have to pretend to be a doctor to try to get people to respect me.

    Simmer in that sauce, illiterate fake.



    See there it is, you have accomplished more.... And you know this how?

    You know this from your careful anonymous perch in some worthless condo, working(?) for some hypothetical online school.

    Your infamous. And you know it all.

    I am sorry you are having so much trouble in life, but i don't think a job or money or a decent car to drive would help your problem. Its your own self inflicted prison.

    What is sad is you actually think people cannot see through it all.

    I am not pretending about anything. See I haven't mentioned "doctor " in this thread at all. But you keep mentioning it OVER AND OVER.

    If I thought there was some money to be earned off of a bet from you I would do it. I would reveal all my credentials. But of course it would not be worth it because you don't have anything to bet.

  • musclmed

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    Oct 13, 2013 3:15 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    musclmed said
    See there it is, you have accomplished more.... And you know this how?

    You know this from your careful anonymous perch in some worthless condo, working for some hypothetical online school.

    Your infamous. And you know it all.

    I am sorry you are having so much trouble in life, but i don't think a job or money or a decent car to drive would help your problem. Its your own self inflicted prison.

    What is sad is you actually think people cannot see through it all.

    Jesus, you're an idiot. I don't work for any online schools. I have money snd a quite a decent car. Who the fuck are you confusing me with? I'm not in any prison, thanks.

    Meantime, you type this from your momma's basement while wearing your faded Dr. Kildare Hallowe'en costume and getting your jollies out of people thinking you're real.


    Jeff unfortunately for you I am not the only person to experience your ill tempered nature. You are not "famous" but surely infamous.

    So how much are you looking to put up as a bet?

    I want the other unfortunate Rj'ers who are reading this to know, I do not look down on anyone who lives humbly FYI, for the most part I had a modest upbringing and worked from the age of 14 through today at age 40.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 13, 2013 3:23 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    musclmed saidJeff unfortunately for you I am not the only person to experience your ill tempered nature. You are not "famous" but surely infamous.
    So how much are you looking to put up as a bet?

    Bet what?
    Tell you what I'll do instead of your childish bets.
    I'll block you. I'm sick of your stupidity anyway.


    But do let me know when your interested in proving me a fraud.

    Of course any winnings from this bet would appropriately be donated to the "I Choose" campaign against bullying.

    I have everything I need at the ready to show to anyone who would credential me.

    There are several Rj'ers , and even Troyathlete that live very close by to me. They could stop by my office(s) anytime.
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    Oct 13, 2013 3:25 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    musclmed saidJeff unfortunately for you I am not the only person to experience your ill tempered nature. You are not "famous" but surely infamous.
    So how much are you looking to put up as a bet?

    Bet what?
    Tell you what I'll do instead of your childish bets.
    I'll block you. I'm sick of your stupidity anyway.



    This clown blocks anyone who tries to bring him back to sanity, he must be on drugs! Either that, or a true Sissy-Mary!! icon_razz.gif
  • musclmed

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    Oct 13, 2013 3:29 AM GMT
    Blakes7 said
    Aristoshark said
    musclmed saidJeff unfortunately for you I am not the only person to experience your ill tempered nature. You are not "famous" but surely infamous.
    So how much are you looking to put up as a bet?

    Bet what?
    Tell you what I'll do instead of your childish bets.
    I'll block you. I'm sick of your stupidity anyway.



    This clown blocks anyone who tries to bring him back to sanity, he must be on drugs! Either that, or a true Sissy-Mary!! icon_razz.gif


    I would have preferred not to steer the thread in this direction. Indirectly though it maybe therapeutic.
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    Oct 13, 2013 5:38 AM GMT
    well, conservatives are assholes (whatever the hell conservative means now) and liberals (whatever the hell that means now) tend to be apologists for a lot of nonsense. the social liberal and fiscal conservative/moderate mix is the only thing that makes sense
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    Oct 13, 2013 9:53 AM GMT
    topathlete said
    somersault saidwell, conservatives are assholes (whatever the hell conservative means now) and liberals (whatever the hell that means now) tend to be apologists for a lot of nonsense. the social liberal and fiscal conservative/moderate mix is the only thing that makes sense

    I think most of those labeled conservative on RJ are called that because we/they are fiscal conservative. I would consider myself as socially moderate if I needed a label. (Not to confuse things but imo the real true conservatives are all about government not involved in personal lives or in bedrooms or taking a stand on marriage.)

    Most of the arguments here are about fiscal issues. The left wants more govt spending, higher taxes (that is OTHERS paying higher taxes), more entitlements etc. The right wants fiscal discipline, limited government etc.


    In reality Leftists are a dependent crowd; opposing fiscal conservatism is at their core. One cannot be a "dependent" individual and a fiscal conservative.

    It is interesting, at least in America, what they have wrought in the last five years. In their perfect world they truly have no idea of the consequences of their actions.
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    Oct 13, 2013 10:37 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd said

    I posted to highlight how people on the Left attack those who do not agree


    That tends to work both ways, but why on earth would a conservative, posting on a gay website, expect anything other than a rough ride?

    Why do gay conservatives think it is acceptable to rub the faces of other gay people in a political outlook that is inextricably linked with hostility toward and intolerance of gay people in general? When the Right stops trying to block gay equal rights legislation and stops banging on about 'family values' and Christian mores, I'll be happy to give their other views some consideration.
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    Ex_Mil8 said
    PolitiNerd said
    I posted to highlight how people on the Left attack those who do not agree

    That tends to work both ways, but why on earth would a conservative, posting on a gay website, expect anything other than a rough ride?

    Why do gay conservatives think it is acceptable to rub the faces of other gay people in a political outlook that is inextricably linked with hostility toward and intolerance of gay people in general? When the Right stops trying to block gay equal rights legislation and stops banging on about 'family values' and Christian mores, I'll be happy to give their other views some consideration.

    +1

    Perfectly expressed.

    The Fruits of Socialism My Own Ignorance, Inexperience & Immaturity, by PolitiNerd
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    Aristoshark said
    musclmed saidThanks for the segway.

    The "segway", you illiterate moron?
    The word is "segue". Hint: its origin isn't English.

    As to the OP: It is tiresome hearing you whine about how put-upon conservatives are. Here's something you clearly don't know: socialism, by definition, requires the workers' ownership of the means of production. That's not a side issue, it IS the issue. It is the definition of socialism.

    Now where do we see that in the USA or Australia?
    Right.
    Nowhere.
    So really, shut up.


    I have never said how us 'poor, poor' conservatives are just so 'hard done by'. So get that out of your head. I am not debating the definition of socialism, I am asserting that Leftists, in this case, Socialists, refuse to allow other opinion without attacking those who have another, just like you are having a mini crisis about someone misspelling "segue-way", and of course, our favourite friend, TroyAthlete, who insists on maintaining that all conservative/Republican/Coalition people do is 'whine' when I have done no such thing.

    I posted to highlight how people on the Left attack those who do not agree, and I qualified this by saying that the video I posted was an extreme example, but representative of people such as yourself and your attitude towards people like me.

    I made no such claim that Socialism was an entrenched thing in any country, but, contrary to what you might think, the Labor Party, the Greens Party in Australia, and many others across the world, are very much Socialist. Just not officially.

    The fact that you told me to shut up represents my point; you disparage my viewpoint and position, and completely unwilling to see my point, and in fact, do the very same thing you and TroyAthlete say I am just "whining" about.


    Emphasis added above to illustrate the excellent point you made.
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    The Fruits of Socialism My Own Ignorance, Inexperience & Immaturity, by PolitiNerd


    Why do you name call and disparage? That adds nothing to the discussion of the actual topic and instead turns this into another juvenile topic of the leftists here trying to name call those who aren't leftists into silence.
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    You know Politinerd, once you're here long enough you'll find out that this, "some of the attitudes expressed by many on this site, who condemn those of a conservative or non-Left mindset:"

    ....is really this: some of the attitudes expressed by many on this site, who condemn those of a myopic conservative or paranoid non-Left mindset:

    We know Conservatives, both US and Canadian, that are nothing like the ones here that post prolifically.

    Here's a real Conservative and Republican. Guess what? No 'lefty' complained when I posted this, even though McCain took fleshy strips off Obama's government with intelligent scathing observations. He also took fleshy strips off his own Party for their behaviour as well.


    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-to-fox-news-no-the-shutdown-is-the-gop-s-fault-video
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    Oct 13, 2013 5:06 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    You know Politinerd, once you're here long enough you'll find out that this, "some of the attitudes expressed by many on this site, who condemn those of a conservative or non-Left mindset:"

    ....is really this: some of the attitudes expressed by many on this site, who condemn those of a myopic conservative or paranoid non-Left mindset:

    We know Conservatives, both US and Canadian, that are nothing like the ones here that post prolifically.

    Here's a real Conservative and Republican. Guess what? No 'lefty' complained when I posted this, even though McCain took fleshy strips off Obama's government with intelligent scathing observations. He also took fleshy strips off his own Party for their behaviour as well.


    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-to-fox-news-no-the-shutdown-is-the-gop-s-fault-video


    If you look at the "shutups" "idiots" "self loathing" and all of the tangential ad hominem comments/attacks . The larger portion come from the so called left to the right.

    I also know "lefties" here in the US, both in NYC and in West Hollywood. Gay capital of the world. I have no problems integrating and socializing with them. In fact just like myself they have different ranges of political philosophies. I have never heard the accusation of being "self loathing" uttered to my face.

    In the situation with Aristoshark, he is one extreme example of someone who incapable of having a conversation with someone he disagrees with without it getting personal.

    I could publicly humiliate and reveal how wrong he is about me, but that beneath the level of conversation that I want to have
    I would encourage everyone to refrain from personal references and stick to the topic .
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    Oct 13, 2013 5:09 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    meninlove said

    You know Politinerd, once you're here long enough you'll find out that this, "some of the attitudes expressed by many on this site, who condemn those of a conservative or non-Left mindset:"

    ....is really this: some of the attitudes expressed by many on this site, who condemn those of a myopic conservative or paranoid non-Left mindset:

    We know Conservatives, both US and Canadian, that are nothing like the ones here that post prolifically.

    Here's a real Conservative and Republican. Guess what? No 'lefty' complained when I posted this, even though McCain took fleshy strips off Obama's government with intelligent scathing observations. He also took fleshy strips off his own Party for their behaviour as well.


    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-to-fox-news-no-the-shutdown-is-the-gop-s-fault-video


    If you look at the "shutups" "idiots" "self loathing" and all of the tangential ad hominem comments/attacks . The larger portion come from the so called left to the right.

    In the situation with Aristoshark, he is one extreme example of someone who incapable of having a conversation with someone he disagrees with without it getting personal.

    I could publicly humiliate and reveal how wrong he is about me, but that beneath the level of conversation that I want to have
    I would encourage everyone to refrain from personal references and stick to the topic .


    Of course, inflammatory topics and posts from the right would never normally generate such responses from the left, right musclmed? o.O

    OR...say let's go post on a predominantly liberal website and get'em all riled up. Then we'll act all hurt when they retaliate. D'oh.
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    musclmed said
    If you look at the "shutups" "idiots" "self loathing" and all of the tangential ad hominem comments/attacks . The larger portion come from the so called left to the right.


    Here on RJ? Probably, but then conservatives posting on a gay website are pretty much volunteering for punchbag duty. If you wanna be loved, go and post in the NRA forums or something.

    And you are certainly not above making ad hominem attacks yourself, mm, so you're hardly in a position to criticize others on that score.
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    Oct 13, 2013 5:36 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    musclmed said
    meninlove said
    .


    Of course, inflammatory topics and posts from the right would never normally generate such responses from the left, right musclmed? o.O

    OR...say let's go post on a predominantly liberal website and get'em all riled up. Then we'll act all hurt when they retaliate. D'oh.


    Is there a founding disclaimer from "real jock" that says this is a Liberal website?

    I think that's where you begin to lose the argument in the belief gays or anyone falls in lockstep with any political party. Average gays have a wide range of political views based on the topic and how it effects them.

    Systematically I have witnessed an effort to individually pick off people who espouse anything but a liberal stance.

    If you are so bothered by people posting "rabid non liberal ideals" maybe petition the website owner to make you guys moderate?

    See i was involved with a similar themed website years ago called straightacting.com and it was doing well until the site owner caved to pressure and added moderators.

    The moderators of course had a left wing view and couldn't stand anything else because they perceived it to be anti gay. They deleted , altered and banned anyone who posted anything that was outside the liberal orthodoxy. What happened? the website failed.... So much so it gets 1 post every few months for people just to stay in contact. The reason why is the self crowned "moderators" were wrong. They thought most gays were like them, you know volunteering for "Move on.org" on the weekends and crank calling republican national committe with fake donations..

    This site is on track for that with its banning in kind. Until the recent government shutdown all you can see was the reposting by Metta8 of the democratic underground and huffington post feed. Which I would point out is no different and arguably worse than anything soutbeach has /had done. At least he responds to threads and is interactive.





    Last , Aristoshark if all it took for you to stop calling me out as a fake was blocking me , then thank you.

    And I renew again. If you want to put up money and this money would go to a good cause I am willing to submit myself to credentialing.

    Of course i would match this dollar amount if I am wrong, and well I do have the upper hand. I am not.

    If I wanted to sink to your level I would match your false assertions of me( which is that I am not a physician), with true assertions about you.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 13, 2013 5:48 PM GMT
    topathlete said
    Ex_Mil8 said
    musclmed said
    If you look at the "shutups" "idiots" "self loathing" and all of the tangential ad hominem comments/attacks . The larger portion come from the so called left to the right.


    Here on RJ? Probably, but then conservatives posting on a gay website are pretty much volunteering for punchbag duty. If you wanna be loved, go and post in the NRA forums or something.

    And you are certainly not above making ad hominem attacks yourself, mm, so you're hardly in a position to criticize others on that score.

    You keep up that theme continuously despite many comments that those labeled conservative are fiscal conservatives and have different views on social issues including gay rights. It is intellectually dishonest to assume fiscal conservatives are anti-gay rights and should expect a reaction assuming that were the case. So wise up.


    site 1 time I did, Exmil8, i will unblock you to see it.
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    Oct 13, 2013 5:52 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidThe problem with the attempt to have serious discussion with the rightists on here---and in general---is that they insist on framing the discussion. Any talk of "socialism" is so demonstrably silly and false that to debate it is to concede that there's validity in the debate, and there isn't. This is why I make such an issue out of the definition. Anyone who has studied logic knows that if the premises are false the conclusion has to be garbage as well.

    And as to the (recently blocked) "doctor", he has no means to humiliate me, dearly as he apparently wishes to do so. Because I would have to care what he or any of the other right-wing crazies think, and I don't. One thing I've learned in a lifetime of political work is that there's no arguing with cultists, and Conservatism has long since ceased being a political philosophy (if it ever was) and has morphed into a cuit whose adherents unthinkingly parrot the party line and will change their views on a dime when the "movement" does. (See "Obamacare", the healthcare plan they proposed and backed until the cult turned on it because the black man in the White House adopted it.)

    So for those complaining of a lack of debate, really, do shut up. Unless you're willing to have an actual debate and not to try to rig the game with your false definitions and spin.


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    Oct 13, 2013 6:00 PM GMT
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    musclmed said
    Thanks for the segway.

    The "segway", you illiterate moron?
    The word is "segue". Hint: its origin isn't English.

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