Muscle Milk

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    Nov 27, 2008 1:44 AM GMT
    k my waist is 30" and I weigh 155 lbs at 6'0 icon_neutral.gif

    is this product appropriate if my long term goal is to keep a lean waist line and build muscle mass. My ideal weight would be around 170. But I just had liposuction, as vain as it sounds, I did it because I quit drinking ands its been a BITCH to get rid of my love handles. I lost 20 lbs on my own. In the past I've fluctuated but I've lost some muslce weight as well. Should I stick to muscle tech Nitro, or can I take Muscle Milk. I dont want to add fat, but my eating patterns are sometimes inconsistent. Its hard to cook and eat 6 times a day.
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    Nov 27, 2008 3:10 AM GMT
    http://www.enutrition.com/cytmusmil248.html

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/whey.html

    A simple comparison

    2 scoops of muscle milk, only 32g protein, yet 320 cals, and DAMN 18g of fat. no wonder its so tastey

    1 scoop of ON Whey, 24g protein, 120cals, and only 1g of fat


    Yeah muscle milk doesnt sound like its what you want.

    Try lookin through here... guide to all sorts of shakes

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/goalprotein.htm



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    Nov 27, 2008 3:43 AM GMT
    Good question, I'm always wondering the same thing. I drink the Premier Protein shake after lifting and someone told me it was just wasted calories but I just checked and it's only 160 calories with only 3 g of fat. Also has 30 g protein. I try to drink it only when I lift as opposed to the days I just do cardio and crunches.

    Trying to lose those love handles too...it's really tough!
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    Nov 27, 2008 3:46 AM GMT
    they make muscle milk light - and you can't tell it's "light" - that's what i use. it's great
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    Nov 27, 2008 5:31 AM GMT
    thanks for the advice, but then who is exactly is Muscle Milk made for?

    I think im underweight, but then again my genetics are different and I gain easily.
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    Nov 27, 2008 8:24 AM GMT
    I love Muscle Milk, the best protien shake I've ever had. A couple years ago I lost a lot of weight while drinking it everyday so you should be fine.
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  • TexanMan82

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    Dec 02, 2008 11:59 PM GMT
    Muscle Milk is not optimum for building muscle. The fat slows down digestion way too much. You need something that will quickly digest.

    I use Optimum Nutrition's Whey
  • jhelling

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    Dec 03, 2008 12:07 AM GMT
    I think Muscle Milk is absolutely disgusting... It's too sweet. I use ON and/or MRI PRO-NOS
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    Dec 03, 2008 12:55 AM GMT

    MuscleMilk left me needing something else one gets at Walgreens.

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    Dec 03, 2008 1:13 AM GMT
    I used Muscle for about 2 months.....I got too lean using it!! Had to stop using it and use ON 100% Whey Protein now. Muscle Milk is prolly great if you wanna lose weight, but I'm tryin to gain 5# (again ha). It's really sweet too.
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    Dec 03, 2008 6:05 PM GMT
    TJ85016 saidI used Muscle for about 2 months.....I got too lean using it!! Had to stop using it and use ON 100% Whey Protein now. Muscle Milk is prolly great if you wanna lose weight, but I'm tryin to gain 5# (again ha). It's really sweet too.


    WOW I would kill to look like you! How about the new product from Muscle Milk called "Lean body" ?
    I think many of us would like to gain lean real muscle withOUT the bulky fat gain,
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    Dec 04, 2008 9:06 AM GMT
    thanks U guys. that really helps. well i guess i wasted 40$, but i still have my old protein powder.

    the stuff tastes like nestle quick chocolate milk with a hint of vanilla extract.

    guess i could cut the dose and drink it after a hard days worth of cardio every now and then.
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    Dec 04, 2008 9:56 AM GMT
    I love the different flavors, I usually mix a banana, flaxseed, skim milk and 2 scoops, sometimes whole milk, though i would have to say it seems to work well as far as meal replacement is concerned.....bad aspects are Loads of fat, and calories....I would suggest increasing your cardio, and I would definatley say that I have seen muscle gains while using it...good luckicon_exclaim.gificon_smile.gif
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    Dec 04, 2008 10:11 AM GMT
    I can't hold off any longer...

    1) Re fat content. It drives me NUTS when people freak about about the amount of fat or carbs in one serving of one meal. The body needs all three: fats, carbs, and proteins. The key is what proportion over the long term are you taking those in, and when are you taking them in. The content of one particular meal (or shake) is NEVER the issue. It's what you've eaten over a week or two that will start to show up in the mirror. There's also a timing thing -- carbs are most quickly converted to energy (sugars) and should generally be taken before you're going to expend energy (either mentally or physically -- the brain is seriously energy intensive). Fats and proteins are good most any time.

    And you DON'T build body fat by ingesting fats. Body fat is how the body deals with excess calories -- its stores them for future use, so you can outrun that saber toothed tiger. Those excess calories could even come from an all protein diet, with no ingested fats.

    Please GET OVER THE FEAR OF FAT.

    Please GET OVER THE FEAR OF CARBS.


    2) "Fast digesting" vs "Slow digesting". Please tell me why one is better than the other. Please tell me why you might only want one and not the other. I submit that neither is better than the other, but both are appropriate under certain conditions.


    Eat your fats!

    Eat your carbs!

    Eat your protein!

    Eat your fiber!

    Just keep them balanced and watch your CALORIC intake versus your burned calories. An imbalance in calories consumed versus calories burned is what will make you fat. Not ingesting fat!



  • TexanMan82

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    Dec 05, 2008 12:43 AM GMT
    Wow, iguana, chill.

    The only reason I mentioned it slowing digestion is the fact that after a resistance workout, you should not have fats in your post workout shake as it slows the digestion too much.

    I agree about the fear of fats being unfounded, but post workout is definitely a time where fats should not be ingested.
  • DCEric

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    Dec 05, 2008 12:49 AM GMT
    Wait. Why at that time would you want quick digestion? What times would you want slow digestion?
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    Dec 05, 2008 12:53 AM GMT
    TexanMan82 saidWow, iguana, chill.


    Iguana has become Chucky's bitch.
  • TexanMan82

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    Dec 05, 2008 12:53 AM GMT
    You need to quickly thwart the effects of cortisol after a hard workout by spiking your insulin. Fat will slow this process down.

    Pretty much any other time of day, with the exception of breakfast, you want your digestion to be slow.
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    Dec 05, 2008 1:37 AM GMT
    ObsceneWish said
    TexanMan82 saidWow, iguana, chill.


    Iguana has become Chucky's bitch.



    Oh lordy. I really do need to take up my anti-bitch dosage.

    Calmly,

    K
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    Dec 05, 2008 4:32 AM GMT
    iguanaSF saidI can't hold off any longer...

    1) Re fat content. It drives me NUTS when people freak about about the amount of fat or carbs in one serving of one meal. The body needs all three: fats, carbs, and proteins. The key is what proportion over the long term are you taking those in, and when are you taking them in. The content of one particular meal (or shake) is NEVER the issue. It's what you've eaten over a week or two that will start to show up in the mirror. There's also a timing thing -- carbs are most quickly converted to energy (sugars) and should generally be taken before you're going to expend energy (either mentally or physically -- the brain is seriously energy intensive). Fats and proteins are good most any time.

    And you DON'T build body fat by ingesting fats. Body fat is how the body deals with excess calories -- its stores them for future use, so you can outrun that saber toothed tiger. Those excess calories could even come from an all protein diet, with no ingested fats.

    Please GET OVER THE FEAR OF FAT.

    Please GET OVER THE FEAR OF CARBS.


    2) "Fast digesting" vs "Slow digesting". Please tell me why one is better than the other. Please tell me why you might only want one and not the other. I submit that neither is better than the other, but both are appropriate under certain conditions.


    Eat your fats!

    Eat your carbs!

    Eat your protein!

    Eat your fiber!

    Just keep them balanced and watch your CALORIC intake versus your burned calories. An imbalance in calories consumed versus calories burned is what will make you fat. Not ingesting fat!





    Respect the discipline and your input. The saturated fat content in Muscle Milk is slightly higher and I don't see the real benefit. The saturated fat content per serving is roughly 30% of the recommended daily value. I understand that in order to jump start your body to become a fat burning machine as opposed to fat storing eating carbs fats and proteins are essential. but the saturated fat content seems unproptionately higher, and Im curious if this product is junk or appropriate.

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    Dec 05, 2008 11:38 AM GMT
    I'd be leery of paying too much attention to RDA values.

    o They are for the "average" person. No person is average. Average is just a statistical concept.

    o RDA values are brought to you from the same people that brought you the "food pyramid" which for decades taught us overweight Americans to, first and foremost, gorge ourselves on bread and pasta. The rationale for this fiasco had just as much to do with a powerful farm lobby that wanted gold-plated grain price supports than from any nutrition "science."

    Is Muscle Milk junk? Like you should throw it in the trash bin cause it's got 18 grams of evil fat? That's a bit harsh. It's no more junk any any other protein supplement.

    Is it appropriate? It's impossible to say whether MM is appropriate by simply looking at the label. It has be be answered in the context of your diet. Not your diet over a 10 minute window while you're drinking one shake, but your diet over a significant period of time that will start to show in your body -- like weeks. Only you can say because only you know what amount of calories, protein, fat, and carbs you're taking in over a period of a week or two, and what part your Muscle Milk shake (or shakes) plays in that total.

    As an example. MM has 300 calories per serving. Say you are burning 2000 calories per day (just like the FDA's mythical "average American male"). Say you're eating about 2000 calories per day from regular meals. Now your online friends say Muscle Milk will give you 18 inch biceps in one month, by golly, so you decide to try it. You drink 3 a day, but don't change your activity level. Now you're eating 3200 calories/day and burning 2000. In about two weeks, you start noticing new love handles. Was Muscle Milk "appropriate?" No. Was it because Muscle Milk had 18 grams of fat per serving. Absolutely not. It was because MM added 1200 additional calories to your diet that ended up being surplus.

    I could come up with hundreds of other scenarios where it was appropriate and also where it wasn't. Most would have to do with the caloric content. Some the carb content, and probably a few (altho not that many) the fat content.

    So my point is that only you can tell if it's appropriate. But I bet the answer won't have anything much to do with the fat content. It WILL have to do with caloric content.

    As I've ranted before, you don't get fat by eating fat any more than you can grow hair by eating hair. You get fat by having a surplus in the calories ingested versus calories burned ratio.

    It's also ironic to me that a lot of guys who worry about getting chunky on these shakes are not only avoiding calorie counting, but also often ignore the number of simple sugars they are ingesting with these things -- often right before bed. A double whammy. Throw some Double Stuf Oreos in the mix for an even better before-bed snack. Yum! Soooo tasty!

    If anything, the dietary fat content in these shakes is probably one of the more innocuous numbers on the label compared to the sugars and the calories.
  • D972

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    Dec 15, 2008 9:46 PM GMT
    Ummm I don't know,

    I think Muscle Milk might be right for you if you can not cook 6 times a day. Like Iguana mentioned, you shouldn't be afraid of fat in general. Your body needs a balance of everything.

    I use it (muscle milk) and if you are trying to gain muscle, and you seem to be a hard gainer, then this might be fine for you. It contains oils (sunflower, canoila) that they claim aren't going to be converted to fat but burned off naturally. Okay, can't say that is true or not, but don't throw out the muscle milk just because. Just use less of it if you are unsure and adjust.

    I guess it depends how you are going to use muscle milk. I personally use it as a preworkout (1 scoop) and afterworkout drink (1-3 scoops depending on the body part used in workout - 1 if just sholders, 2 for chest, back, 3 for legs). Yeah yeah, everyone says that you need whey (quick absorb), and the fat will stop your body from digesting the protien, but studies show that body builders used to only drink milk in the old days and gain lean muscles. Milk is fatty and only like 10% whey and 60% cassein protien, just like in Muscle milk. Do your own research. Plus muscle milk has glutamine in it (not sure how much) to help you recover.

    http://www.kellyfrankson.com/2008/01/want-to-put-on-lean-muscle-drink-whole-milk/

    http://ezinearticles.com/?Muscle-Milk---Why-Do-Pros-Buy-Muscle-Milk?&id=1486509

    But that (pre and after workout) is all I use it for. I work out 3 times a week. And I don't use it as a meal replacement product. You can find other tips in the forum on how to pre prepare meals to make your goals obtainable. I like tuna and sweet potato as a quick snack...

    Good luck.

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    Dec 19, 2008 9:18 AM GMT
    thanks for the tip! :-)