Washington Post's Klein: Obamacare a Failure

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    Oct 14, 2013 3:29 PM GMT
    The Washington Post’s Ezra Klein, an Obamacare supporter, slammed the launch of the program’s online exchanges the the wake of widespread reports of stalled and dysfunctional websites. Klein warned that, given the websites’ ongoing problems, there may be “deeper, more systemic problems.”

    “We’re a couple of weeks in and people can’t sign up, people have tried 20, 30, 40 times,” Klein said on Morning Joe on Monday. “It’s one thing for that to be true the first three or four days, it’s another thing for it to be true two or three weeks in.”

    “One of the Obama administration’s jobs, separate from all of the political stuff we talk about here, is to simply run things like this well, to run their signature legislative initiative well,” he continued. “On that, so far, this has been a big failure.


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    Oct 14, 2013 4:00 PM GMT

    musclmed supplied this in his topic:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/us/politics/from-the-start-signs-of-trouble-at-health-portal.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&

    ....and what's this?

    "Politics made things worse. To avoid giving ammunition to Republicans opposed to the project, the administration put off issuing several major rules until after last November’s elections. The Republican-controlled House blocked funds. More than 30 states refused to set up their own exchanges, requiring the federal government to vastly expand its project in unexpected ways."



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    Oct 14, 2013 4:33 PM GMT
    Funny, of all people it would be ME who actually gets in, but after seeing the $8,609 per year and then get to the part where they want SS number and banking information, I'm long gone.
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    Oct 14, 2013 4:53 PM GMT
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    musclmed supplied this in his topic:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/13/us/politics/from-the-start-signs-of-trouble-at-health-portal.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&

    ....and what's this?

    "Politics made things worse. To avoid giving ammunition to Republicans opposed to the project, the administration put off issuing several major rules until after last November’s elections. The Republican-controlled House blocked funds. More than 30 states refused to set up their own exchanges, requiring the federal government to vastly expand its project in unexpected ways."





    If the proponents of Obamacare thought they could "go it alone" and just try to pass the law on a slim margin with a budgetary trick , then expect the republicans to vote to fund it is absurd.

    Its about the only government creation of its size that doesn't have bipartisan support. Programs will always need support down the line with amendments and fixes.

    Since Obama brought it up in one of his lectures to the republican caucus elections have consequences.

    Distilling it down the laws proponents blame its failures on republicans not supporting it like the democrats.

    My plan would have worked if everyone voted for it- nice bumper sticker.

    One wonders how Presidents functioned with both houses in congress of the other party. I mean you just have to suspend reality and history to blame a failed roll out on people who were against it.

    President Bush pushed through medicare part D with use of considerable political capital, and had bipartisan support. Its relatively successful.


    Ezra ( drinks the koolaide) he gets access first amongst reporters. Its sort of shocking, but I wonder what the plan is, who will they blame it on?
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    Oct 14, 2013 6:36 PM GMT
    Now Robert Gibbs

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361168/gibbs-obamacare-rollout-excruciatingly-embarrassing-andrew-johnson

    "Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs on Monday described the rollout of Obamacare as “excruciatingly embarrassing” for the Obama administration. “This was bungled badly​,” he said.

    “I hope they’re working day and night to get this done and when they get it fixed, I hope they fire some people who were in charge of making sure this thing was supposed to work,” Gibbs told MSNBC. “This is excruciatingly embarrassing for the White House​ and the Department of Health and Human Services.”

    Gibbs dismissed the administration’s claim that the an influx of traffic has caused the websites’ glitches, and called on the president to fire those responsible for sites’ design.​ “This is not a server problem, like too many people came to the website — this is a website architecture problem,” he said."
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    freedomisntfree saidNow Robert Gibbs

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361168/gibbs-obamacare-rollout-excruciatingly-embarrassing-andrew-johnson

    "Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs on Monday described the rollout of Obamacare as “excruciatingly embarrassing” for the Obama administration. “This was bungled badly​,” he said.

    “I hope they’re working day and night to get this done and when they get it fixed, I hope they fire some people who were in charge of making sure this thing was supposed to work,” Gibbs told MSNBC. “This is excruciatingly embarrassing for the White House​ and the Department of Health and Human Services.”

    Gibbs dismissed the administration’s claim that the an influx of traffic has caused the websites’ glitches, and called on the president to fire those responsible for sites’ design.​ “This is not a server problem, like too many people came to the website — this is a website architecture problem,” he said."



    People should be fired for this mess, that's for sure.
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    Oct 14, 2013 9:35 PM GMT


    Too bad the Republicans kept blocking funding, eh? Too bad the venom spewed encouraged all those States to NOT set up exchanges, eh? icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 14, 2013 9:37 PM GMT
    musclmed, change the cd already!

    Please stop your whining, whimpering and bitching.

    It's the law of the land, Congress and the Supreme Court say so.

    Give it up, you no picture biotche.

    Talk about "sour grapes"!



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    Oct 14, 2013 9:50 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree saidNow Robert Gibbs

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361168/gibbs-obamacare-rollout-excruciatingly-embarrassing-andrew-johnson

    "Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs on Monday described the rollout of Obamacare as “excruciatingly embarrassing” for the Obama administration. “This was bungled badly​,” he said.

    “I hope they’re working day and night to get this done and when they get it fixed, I hope they fire some people who were in charge of making sure this thing was supposed to work,” Gibbs told MSNBC. “This is excruciatingly embarrassing for the White House​ and the Department of Health and Human Services.”

    Gibbs dismissed the administration’s claim that the an influx of traffic has caused the websites’ glitches, and called on the president to fire those responsible for sites’ design.​ “This is not a server problem, like too many people came to the website — this is a website architecture problem,” he said."



    People should be fired for this mess, that's for sure.



    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/361183/obamacare-site-source-code-includes-no-reasonable-expectation-privacy-warning-andrew

    "The Obamacare online exchanges have been met with several concerns since they launched at the beginning of the month, but a recent discovery may raise further fears about privacy under the health-care law.

    The Weekly Standard’s Jeryl Bier reports that during the process of creating an account, the website asks users if they accept the “Terms & Conditions,” which prohibit unauthorized attempts to upload information or change the site. But the website’s source code, which is not visible to users on the standard “Terms & Conditions” page, includes a warning that users should have “no reasonable expectation of privacy”:

    You have no reasonable expectation of privacy regarding any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system. At any time, and for any lawful Government purpose, the government may monitor, intercept, and search and seize any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system. Any communication or data transiting or stored on this information system may be disclosed or used for any lawful Government purpose

    Bier notes that one explanation for why the warning is not visible to users would be that the source code was copied and pasted from another government website; the warning is a standard one used by several government sites. Bier also points out that the warning is coded with tags that make the text invisible to the viewer, but it would become visible if the tags were removed."
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    Oct 14, 2013 10:13 PM GMT
    rnch saidmusclmed, change the cd already!

    Please stop your whining, whimpering and bitching.

    It's the law of the land, Congress and the Supreme Court say so.

    Give it up, you no picture biotche.

    Talk about "sour grapes"!



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    So the law of the land obligates republicans to appropriate it against their better judgement?

    If they didn't they would be blamed equally by cosigning it.

    You obviously have no idea how laws are enacted , amended or implemented. The ACA was passed by a slim margin then amended by budget reconciliation. No one now is disputing it was not passed this way. It therefore can be continually amended by budget reconciliation which occurs during budget talks.

    The "law of the land" talking point is meant for a naive and uninformed portion of the populus who believe that laws are not ALWAYS constantly being amended and defunded.

    Case in point is the reason we have a huge immigration problem in 2013, the democrats systematically defunded the 1986 immigration act and did not appropriate funds for border patrol. The amnesty portion of course was untouched.

    Some would dream we live in a constitutional monarchy but we do not.
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    Oct 14, 2013 10:16 PM GMT
    The bitch Sebelius didn't help any with her clusterfuck of an interview on Jon Stewart-Lipschutz's clusterfuck of a show the other nite.
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    Oct 14, 2013 10:31 PM GMT
    WJohnP saidThe bitch Sebelius didn't help any with her clusterfuck of an interview on Jon Stewart-Lipschutz's clusterfuck of a show the other nite.


    Yeah I saw that.
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    Oct 15, 2013 3:46 AM GMT
    That doesn't change the fact that he is right.
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    Oct 15, 2013 5:05 AM GMT
    Aristoshark saidSouthbeach, you've started SIXTEEN THREADS that are showing on the first page alone of the News forums. I don't want to hear any more about how many threads Metta starts. You're the king of thread-spamming.


    Metta has started 30 on the first page of the Gay News and Events forum. So Mr Hamilton icon_wink.gif wouldn't quite qualify for king .... queen maybe?
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    Oct 15, 2013 10:33 AM GMT
    And what is that exactly? Having an opinion that differs from yours? Questioning the premise of a thought? Not falling in lock-step with the far left? There used to be a time when the left defended someone's right to express an opinion even when he disagreed with it. Somewhere along the way the idea of free speech for select groups was tacitly discarded.
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    Oct 18, 2013 8:06 AM GMT
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    One of the more interesting aspects of this disaster is how it will effect the ultimate cost per enrollee of the insurance carriers behind Obamacare. I am not referring to the lack of enrollees either, but the cost that will now occur in cleaning all of the crap out of the system and validating true correct data of the enrollee. Where a correctly built system would have handled the chore, now a horde of people are going to have to hand validate data.

    Obamacare is the typical liberal cluster-fuck. Lol.
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    One of the more interesting aspects of this disaster is how it will effect the ultimate cost per enrollee of the insurance carriers behind Obamacare. I am not referring to the lack of enrollees either, but the cost that will now occur in cleaning all of the crap out of the system and validating true correct data of the enrollee. Where a correctly built system would have handled the chore, now a horde of people are going to have to hand validate data.

    Obamacare is the typical liberal cluster-fuck. Lol.


    lol, you simply don't know what you're talking about. Here, let me help you, Mr I-Brag-About-Being-In-Switzerland.

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/19/what-makes-u-s-health-insurance-exchanges-so-complicated/?_r=0




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    Oct 18, 2013 4:06 PM GMT
    ...and Mr Switzerland, again in case you missed it earlier in the topic,

    "Politics made things worse. To avoid giving ammunition to Republicans opposed to the project, the administration put off issuing several major rules until after last November’s elections. The Republican-controlled House blocked funds. More than 30 states refused to set up their own exchanges, requiring the federal government to vastly expand its project in unexpected ways."

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    conservativejock saidicon_biggrin.gif

    One of the more interesting aspects of this disaster is how it will effect the ultimate cost per enrollee of the insurance carriers behind Obamacare. I am not referring to the lack of enrollees either, but the cost that will now occur in cleaning all of the crap out of the system and validating true correct data of the enrollee. Where a correctly built system would have handled the chore, now a horde of people are going to have to hand validate data.


    You're right.

    Obamacare woes widen as insurers get wrong data:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/obamacare-woes-widen-as-insurers-get-wrong-data-2013-10-18

    Blue Cross & Blue Shield of Nebraska said it had to hire temporary workers to contact new customers directly to resolve inaccuracies in submissions.
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    Oct 18, 2013 7:55 PM GMT
    LOL .... oh the abject Horrors
    The unspeakable trauma

    Oh .... you were talking about Obamacare?

    I thought you were talking about the republicans results on getting it overturned

    nevermind
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    Oct 18, 2013 8:05 PM GMT
    WJohnP saidThe bitch Sebelius didn't help any with her clusterfuck of an interview on Jon Stewart-Lipschutz's clusterfuck of a show the other nite.



    Sebelius wouldn't know a website from a nail salon
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    Oct 18, 2013 9:35 PM GMT
    NO WORRIES!

    Republicans have agreed to contribute 24 Billion$$$ to fix all remaining glitches in the website.

    Republicans have agreed that the problems are not with the Affordable Care Act but only with the website.

    They realize now that their protest of the website wasn't worth the 24 Billion$ they wasted. Many Apologies!