Divide And Conquer OR just smart politics?

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    Nov 27, 2008 8:21 AM GMT
    The right watched the minority civil war and learned a thing or two...


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    I won't bother stressing how cataclysmic it'd be for the gay rights movement if heterosexual blacks (especially blacks) and non-white hispanics/latinos start consciously voting in anti-gay representatives in the future. Foreign born blacks and non-white hispanics/latinos are growing at an amazingly rapid rate and will doubtlessly represent the United States post 2040 A.D. Wouldn't it better if we get smart and start the education and reach out early?
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    Nov 27, 2008 8:38 AM GMT
    Indeed, minorities need to stick together. I take as much offense to homophobic insults as I do with racist remarks, even if it's a racist remark not targeted at my own race.
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    Nov 27, 2008 2:06 PM GMT
    I'll go you one better, Eric. I take offense at everything

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    Nov 27, 2008 2:19 PM GMT
    I think it is time to start confronting some of the minority leaders, such as Colin Powell. He is all for Black Equal rights in the military, but when it came time to lift DADT, he objected to it. Sort of hypocritical, they need to be called on it.
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    Nov 27, 2008 5:08 PM GMT
    Oh, great, now they have a Foundation. Who knew it cost so much to live in their bubble. Geesh...I'm saving a BUNDLE by being gay! WooHoo! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 27, 2008 5:16 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI'll go you one better, Eric. I take offense at everything

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    Nov 27, 2008 5:24 PM GMT
    Opposition to homophobia within the African-American and Latino communities needs to come from GLBT members of those communities and their supporters. I am not convinced that white GLBT will have the same impact.

    I have befriended a 22 year old on the internet (I am his only gay friend I think) who was appalled at the hypocrisy of the black community in the passing of Proposition 8. It was not until later in the IM conversation that I learned that he himself is black. One thing that struck me about my friend is how isolated he feels from other African-Americans (he dropped out of his high school calling his classmates "animals"). Maybe he is a microcosm of the challenges that African-American gay men face in dealing with homophobia, IDK.
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    Nov 27, 2008 8:15 PM GMT
    SurrealLife saidOpposition to homophobia within the African-American and Latino communities needs to come from GLBT members of those communities and their supporters. I am not convinced that white GLBT will have the same impact.

    I have befriended a 22 year old on the internet (I am his only gay friend I think) who was appalled at the hypocrisy of the black community in the passing of Proposition 8. It was not until later in the IM conversation that I learned that he himself is black. One thing that struck me about my friend is how isolated he feels from other African-Americans (he dropped out of his high school calling his classmates "animals"). Maybe he is a microcosm of the challenges that African-American gay men face in dealing with homophobia, IDK.


    I believe I raised this point in another thread. The white community's support for the gay rights movement mostly derived from many heterosexual whites who accepted a more secular liberal idealogy, not by the white gay movement alone. Even then, the white religious conservative movement continues to pose the greatest threat to gay rights in the United States.

    After Thanksgiving I'll begin emailing and calling major LGBT organizations and a recommend reaching out to gay minority organizations and leaders. One of the greatest reasons its hard for LGBT people of color to make inroads with their racial community (or sexual community for that matter) is that most of them have little power, socially and financially. There are organizations maintained by gay minorities but they don't have the power white led Lgbt organizations have.

    I believe for the sake of the overall movement, especially in the face of the future, its best if we all start looking at every facet of community and have an intensive evaluation.
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    Nov 27, 2008 8:27 PM GMT
    After Thanksgiving I'll begin emailing and calling major LGBT organizations and a recommend reaching out to gay minority organizations and leaders. One of the greatest reasons its hard for LGBT people of color to make inroads with their racial community (or sexual community for that matter) is that most of them have little power, socially and financially. There are organizations maintained by gay minorities but they don't have the power white led Lgbt organizations have.

    I believe for the sake of the overall movement, especially in the face of the future, its best if we all start looking at every facet of community and have an intensive evaluation.


    I agree that GLBT organizations should reach out to minorities (and not just blacks and Latinos, but asians as well) in the gay community. That should be done regardless of propositions. It makes sense in order to make those groups feel more welcomed in the community.

    However, will straight organizations within the minority communities listen to GLBT organizations, especially those headed by whites? Maybe, but I have my doubts.

    I can't think of many rights being granted to the LGBT community through moral persuasion. Long, expensive court battles have seemed to have the most success, at least in Canada, and in parts of the USA.
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    Nov 28, 2008 2:00 AM GMT
    SurrealLifeOpposition to homophobia within the African-American and Latino communities needs to come from GLBT members of those communities and their supporters.


    For some reason this "conclusion" keeps popping up over and over again. I need to know where everyone's getting their info. This particular study challenges assumption of an underground gay people of color.

    http://www.newamericandimensions.com/LGBTStudy.pdf

    Compared to Caucasian gays and lesbians, Hispanics are more comfortable expressing their gay identity and they are more likely to acknowledge the great impact of gay identity on their lives.

    ┬╗African Americansare also more open about their gay identity than Caucasians, however gender and racial identity carry far more significant meanings to them then sexual orientation.

    Nearly two-thirds of gays and lesbians report experiencing stereotyping anddiscrimination

    ┬╗This feeling is particularly prevalent among the Caucasian segment of the gay and lesbian community, who may be more sensitive to discrimination based on sexual orientation because, compared to African Americans and Hispanics, they are less likely to have been the subject of discrimination due to ethnicity.