Why I Will Never, Ever, Go Back to the United States

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    Oct 16, 2013 4:34 AM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/niels-gerson-lohman/us-border-crossing_b_4098130.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
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    Oct 16, 2013 5:55 AM GMT
    LOL.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 16, 2013 10:18 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/niels-gerson-lohman/us-border-crossing_b_4098130.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009


    I am glad the border patrol did their job. Just like during the 2000 millennium bombing.

    This young man seems well schooled. But he is using the average Huntington posts readers ignorance against him. He says at the end in a very quick way "and avoids eye contact" I guess I am on a list, and I would have to get a "fresh passport and do my thing at the Embassy".

    1) it is not unusual to be questioned about recent travel stamps

    2) He obviously did not have a visa. The destinations he mentioned likely required him "IN ADVANCE" especially China to have a visa. So he traveled to Canada possibly with a visa and just thought he could go across the border just like in the EU as a EU citizen.

    3) the story "coming from a write" sounds very suspicious.
    Did it not occur to him he may have some "trouble" having a recent stamp to YEMEN. Then try to enter the US via train without a visa? I doubt he made such a mistake without some purpose.
    Why I find his story suspicious is that Travel to Yemen is a very dangerous prospect. So dangerous because of the unrest and Al-queda ties that for the last 2-3 years many Western Governments advise against travel to Yemen.

    See if the guy had a legitmate visa ahead of time he could have had his consulate in Montreal help him but he obviously did not.

    The HUFF POST "BLOG" has a bad track record of posting just any old blog without any sort of vetting that a regular story would have.

    Case in point is the woman who clearly made up story of Is the assault of 2-year-old boy wearing a 'pink headband' in Walmart a hoax?

    She retracted her story after several days in a psychiatric hospital.


    If i thought it was worth the conversation I would ask him would you return to Yemen? A country where there is a very good chance of being kidnapped or beheaded as a westerner? His glib statement about "not returning" seems well just raw meet for the Huffpost community.
  • conservativej...

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    Oct 16, 2013 9:00 PM GMT
    That fellow obviously does not know the advantages of passports from several nations. Ahem. ;-(
  • pandx970

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    Oct 17, 2013 8:13 PM GMT
    musclmed said
    Scruffypup saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/niels-gerson-lohman/us-border-crossing_b_4098130.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009


    [...]

    1) it is not unusual to be questioned about recent travel stamps


    No. Not at all.

    [quote]
    2) He obviously did not have a visa. The destinations he mentioned likely required him "IN ADVANCE" especially China to have a visa. So he traveled to Canada possibly with a visa and just thought he could go across the border just like in the EU as a EU citizen.
    [/quote]

    That's not describing what is the fact in the story. This person would have been eligible, at least with the facts presented, to enter the US through the Visa Waiver Program as he is a citizen of the Netherlands. Simply put, he could've expected, even though he's coming through Canada, that he enter the US using the VWP forms.

    [quote]
    3) the story "coming from a write" sounds very suspicious.
    Did it not occur to him he may have some "trouble" having a recent stamp to YEMEN. Then try to enter the US via train without a visa? I doubt he made such a mistake without some purpose.
    [/quote]

    Actually his story said, that there was a German citizen who went through the same process and was allowed to enter. For someone who's so sure of how the story went, you're kinda not reading some of the details.

    [quote]
    Why I find his story suspicious is that Travel to Yemen is a very dangerous prospect. So dangerous because of the unrest and Al-queda ties that for the last 2-3 years many Western Governments advise against travel to Yemen.
    [/quote]

    Not denying the unrest in Yemen, but, at the same time, it's not unusual for tourists to visit places even during times of unrest and to quickly get out when things change.

    [quote]
    See if the guy had a legitmate visa ahead of time he could have had his consulate in Montreal help him but he obviously did not.
    [/quote]

    In sum, it's not unusual to be denied a visa. It happens a few times a day at each border crossing, I'm sure. The US could do better at how it treats the people it will deny entry to and that's the point of this posting.

    Were you to try to enter a country like Mexico, Brazil, or a frenemy country and got the same treatment, I'm sure you would be as upset as this guy.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 19, 2013 7:14 PM GMT
    pandx970 said
    musclmed said
    Scruffypup saidhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/niels-gerson-lohman/us-border-crossing_b_4098130.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009


    [...]

    1) it is not unusual to be questioned about recent travel stamps


    No. Not at all.

    [quote]
    2) He obviously did not have a visa. The destinations he mentioned likely required him "IN ADVANCE" especially China to have a visa. So he traveled to Canada possibly with a visa and just thought he could go across the border just like in the EU as a EU citizen.


    That's not describing what is the fact in the story. This person would have been eligible, at least with the facts presented, to enter the US through the Visa Waiver Program as he is a citizen of the Netherlands. Simply put, he could've expected, even though he's coming through Canada, that he enter the US using the VWP forms.

    [quote]
    3) the story "coming from a write" sounds very suspicious.
    Did it not occur to him he may have some "trouble" having a recent stamp to YEMEN. Then try to enter the US via train without a visa? I doubt he made such a mistake without some purpose.
    [/quote]

    Actually his story said, that there was a German citizen who went through the same process and was allowed to enter. For someone who's so sure of how the story went, you're kinda not reading some of the details.

    [quote]
    Why I find his story suspicious is that Travel to Yemen is a very dangerous prospect. So dangerous because of the unrest and Al-queda ties that for the last 2-3 years many Western Governments advise against travel to Yemen.
    [/quote]

    Not denying the unrest in Yemen, but, at the same time, it's not unusual for tourists to visit places even during times of unrest and to quickly get out when things change.

    [quote]
    See if the guy had a legitmate visa ahead of time he could have had his consulate in Montreal help him but he obviously did not.
    [/quote]

    In sum, it's not unusual to be denied a visa. It happens a few times a day at each border crossing, I'm sure. The US could do better at how it treats the people it will deny entry to and that's the point of this posting.

    Were you to try to enter a country like Mexico, Brazil, or a frenemy country and got the same treatment, I'm sure you would be as upset as this guy.[/quote]

    You ignore the clear fact that he visited a country that harbors terrorism and several other Islamic nations.

    I doubt if he "flew" in directly to the US and did not enter by train this would have happened to him.

    Patterns of travel are used in profiling individuals and I am glad they are doing this.
    Sharjah, Dubai and Abu Dhabi , Sri Lanka all are unusual for a person of his demographic.

    He seems to be an intelligent author but if he did not have any idea that he would have some "trouble" getting in through train from Canada to the US well lets say thats a bit disingenuous .

    Its a nice piece of creative writing, but without the context.

    How many people like Niels are there?

    Travel to the USA from Canada is up. Travel to the USA from Europe is up.The USA receives over 62 million foreign visits every year and all international travel to the USA is up.

    If even 1% of those 62 million people had the experience of he had dont you think it would hurt that travel.

    I am almost certain if he applied for a visa to Israel he would be denied. Why because of the pattern of his travel. He has some sort of odd bad luck to want to travel to countries with known islamic terrorist cells.

    Then try to enter the US through a perceived backdoor.

    Last HuffPost blog highlight has a knack for reposting blogs with a negative US slant. These bloggs are usually rants about how "bad" the United Stats is , its people are and its attitudes.

    One recent HOAX from the HUffpost blog is the mom who claimed that her son was "assaulted" in Walmart for wearing pink.

    Katie Vyktoria retracted the blogpost after a week long rant.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Oct 19, 2013 9:12 PM GMT
    Fine, don't come back. Stay in your own country.
  • Timbales

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    Oct 19, 2013 10:33 PM GMT
    first world problems

    That said, crossing by land is a pain in the ass on both sides. Last time I drove to Toronto, I was grilled for about 5 minutes by the Canadian customs officer.