Urban sprawl is the worst American idea, ever.

  • pandx970

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    Oct 16, 2013 11:19 PM GMT


    Thoughts?
  • Papadopoulos

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    Oct 16, 2013 11:22 PM GMT
    Urban Sprawl is awful for the environment and ugly.
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    Oct 17, 2013 2:49 AM GMT
    I like it. Have you ever taken a flight in Los Angeles at night with all those lights spreading out as far as the eye can see? It's awesome.
  • pandx970

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    Oct 17, 2013 5:17 PM GMT
    MisterOrally saidI like it. Have you ever taken a flight in Los Angeles at night with all those lights spreading out as far as the eye can see? It's awesome.


    Yes.

    EDIT: YES!!!!!!!!! Until you realize that that's 12 million people where other cities would have around 2x as many people in that space. And then it makes you wonder.
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    Oct 17, 2013 5:19 PM GMT
    Japan, China, India and most of Europe seem to like it
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    Oct 17, 2013 6:05 PM GMT
    fuck that. I dont wanna bike or walk anywhere. I want my shit handed to me through a fucking drive-thru window and I wanna play my music loud as I sit in traffic, AC on full blast, windows down, smoking ciggs and just enjoying my auto.

    I dont wanna live like a rat or a cockroach like a lot of ppl in NYC do.
    I like my space. I like a healthy disconnect from my neighbors, etc. I like my personal space. I like the superior schools, less crime. That's the real world. Not this video of some hippy who "studied the arts" (who cares?) spouting off shit to benefit himself because he plays Sim City.



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    Oct 17, 2013 6:11 PM GMT
    MisterOrally saidI like it. Have you ever taken a flight in Los Angeles at night with all those lights spreading out as far as the eye can see? It's awesome.

    Yeah it's fun to fly over, but when you land, you have to drive 200 miles to go buy a cheeseburger.
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    Oct 17, 2013 6:31 PM GMT
    Import saidfuck that. I dont wanna bike or walk anywhere. I want my shit handed to me through a fucking drive-thru window and I wanna play my music loud as I sit in traffic, AC on full blast, windows down, smoking ciggs and just enjoying my auto.

    I dont wanna live like a rat or a cockroach like a lot of ppl in NYC do.
    I like my space. I like a healthy disconnect from my neighbors, etc. I like my personal space. I like the superior schools, less crime. That's the real world. Not this video of some hippy who "studied the arts" (who cares?) spouting off shit to benefit himself because he plays Sim City.





    QFT!

    Besides, I don't think it was anyone's 'idea' per se.
    It just happened, mostly.
  • pandx970

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    Oct 17, 2013 6:53 PM GMT
    I'm going to say the reason why the Dutch are so much taller and thinner than us (on average). Are because as a society they decided to design their cities to work for bicycling and walking > using the car.
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    Oct 17, 2013 7:03 PM GMT
    smartmoney said
    MisterOrally saidI like it. Have you ever taken a flight in Los Angeles at night with all those lights spreading out as far as the eye can see? It's awesome.

    Yeah it's fun to fly over, but when you land, you have to drive 200 miles to go buy a cheeseburger.



    Nah. The In-N-Out is right there at the airport.
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    Oct 17, 2013 7:14 PM GMT
    Ted discovers urban sprawl? I believe we've been discussing this since the 70s.

    My last home was on a downtown city lot, with a http://www.walkscore.com/ of 88, very walkable "most errands can be accomplished on foot"

    My current home is rated somewhat walkable but just a block away (big blocks here, love'm) it would again be very walkable, so essentially, still very walkable even though I'm no longer downtown. Where I picked this time is just a short drive to a major downtown--not in my face, but very accessible when I want that fun--and a short bike ride to a minor downtown, on the outskirts of a metro area, so right near a huge wilderness which I enjoy but also right near one of the largest universities in the country, so I've all those services that they require. Less suburbia, more urban in the country.

    Should my area ever get light rail (and it's actively targeted because of the university), I'd be just minutes to a terminal, hooking me up with downtown, the airport further suburban areas and possibly even the beaches.

    When I relocated here, they were planning light rail and also high speed which the governor then killed. So it might be delayed by a few years but I'm pretty certain we'll eventually get it.

    Besides that not everyone fits in a city, some of suburbia naturally morphs into super urban areas, referred to as a megalopolis. Here in Florida we saw this happen along I-95 from the Palm Beaches south through Lauderdale to Miami and now it is occurring along the I-4 corridor from Tampa to Orlando and that will likely connect with Daytona/Jax. South Florida has Tri-rail. Central/north will eventually connect with it's own light rail, and then those areas can connect with high speed, eventually.

    We couldn't even build as tall as NYC for their density even if we wanted to here because of foundation issues and weather. Building up tall is practical if you can scrape top soil and hit bedrock, not so good when building on muck, on an aquifer, in a hurricane zone.

    Even in NY, it's not as if you've necessarily a supermarket within walking distance. Whereas within sprawl, you can have very walkable areas.

    And even when an area is walkable, doesn't mean people walk. I'm one of the only people I ever see riding my bike to the university. These kids live two blocks away yet they take their cars. I see cars going from apartment parking lots across the street to the university. So a lot of this is not infrastructure but mindset.
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    Oct 17, 2013 9:47 PM GMT
    I just wish I didn't have to drive 10-30 mins to get anywhere. But at least there's always enough parking!
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    Oct 18, 2013 11:38 PM GMT
    Sunset tonight on my little piece of urban sprawl where I can walk or bike to supermarket, restaurants, entertainment, museums, coffee shops, employment centers like university & hospitals or bike ride to 35-miles of maintained off-road trails through a wilderness with gators, wild turkey and wild boar. Supposed to be coyotes too but haven't seen one yet.

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    Try finding that in the city.

    Here's my little urban sprawl butterflies settling in for the evening on a cypress tree I planted.

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    Just took that pic this evening. They've been coming by for about a month or two months now, every evening. There's about six or 10 of'm. Very fun to walk through them as they are finding a comfy branch.

    Here's some of the other urban sprawl critters in my garden this year that I've posted elsewhere...

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    Worst American idea ever? Give us time. We're just working the kinks out.