Republican Disaster: Americans speak out on GOP's humiliating failure

  • KissTheSky

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    Oct 17, 2013 1:19 AM GMT
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    The GOP's shutdown of the government and threats to blow up the U.S. economy appear to have been thwarted for now -- the Republicans have lost, big time.
    And justifiably, the reputation of the GOP is crashing and burning.

    John Boehner and his House Republicans woke to a round of epically horrible press about their role in the ongoing shutdown and debt ceiling crisis.

    Boehner's failure to corral his members reached a peak on Tuesday when he could not persuade them to go along with a plan to end the shutdown and avert default. The resulting reaction from the media would be enough to make any Republican weep, let alone the already tear-prone speaker.

    Politico called Boehner's efforts a "disaster."

    The Washington Post described it as a "humiliating failure," and said Boehner and his leadership colleagues had " lost all control of their majority."

    An editorial from the arch-conservative Wall Street Journal board fumed about the GOP strategy, saying that the House caucus "might as well hand the Speaker's gavel to Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid" and urging Republicans to give up their fight.

    Things were not much better on the morning shows.

    "After a shutdown that lasted 16 days, a shutdown led by House Republicans...by the end of today, those Republicans may leave with little to nothing to show for it," NBC's Peter Alexander said.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/16/john-boehner-media-disaster_n_4107106.html
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    Oct 17, 2013 1:26 AM GMT
    They have only themselves to blame. The GOP learned nothing from the last two Presidential elections. Today's GOP is not that of Teddy Roosevelt, since the tea party would likely consider him a socialist. Create national Parks?? Urge Congress to investigate the meatpacking industry?? How dare you! Even Nixon was a moderate by what passes for conservative today. Create the EPA?? The horrors!!

    The demographics of the country are not on their side. Unless they clean house (religious right, neocons, and the tea party in particular) they're going to be legislatively irrelevant in the space of two, perhaps three, election cycles.
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    Oct 17, 2013 1:46 AM GMT
    BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    I have no pity for any of them! Let the Elephant be roasted whole, carved up, and served to the dogs!

    I await the delicious ravages of the Press in the coming year leading up to the 2014 Midterms!
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    Oct 17, 2013 1:46 AM GMT
    And, as usual, Nancy looks FABULOUS!
  • MusclFurPeX

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    Oct 17, 2013 1:59 AM GMT

    The 18 REPUBLICAN Senators that voted to CRASH our ECONOMY tonight

    NAYs —-18
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Cruz (R-TX)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Heller (R-NV)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Scott (R-SC)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Toomey (R-PA)
    Vitter (R-LA)
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    Oct 17, 2013 2:03 AM GMT
    Will Republican Senator Terd Cruz demand the repeal of Medicare Part D?
  • KissTheSky

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    Oct 17, 2013 2:41 AM GMT
    MusclFurPeX said
    The 18 REPUBLICAN Senators that voted to CRASH our ECONOMY tonight

    NAYs —-18
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Cruz (R-TX)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Heller (R-NV)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Scott (R-SC)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Toomey (R-PA)
    Vitter (R-LA)


    The next Presidential campaign will be even more fun, watching Rubio and Rand try to explain why they voted to plunge the US into a second depression which would have cost millions of jobs.
    No telling how much damage they could as President... what attractive candidates they will make! icon_rolleyes.gif
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 17, 2013 3:12 AM GMT
    Yeah, wanting to stop your debt from going up endlessly is really trying to "blow up the economy" isn't it?

    You know what's weird; the maniacal high Leftists experience when they think they've won.

    Oh, you HAVE won? Well, if you think getting more debt is winning, then I suppose you are correct. You'll feel it eventually.

    But of course, it's all the evil Republicans' fault, isn't it? ;)
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    Oct 17, 2013 3:25 AM GMT
    KissTheSky said
    MusclFurPeX said
    The 18 REPUBLICAN Senators that voted to CRASH our ECONOMY tonight

    NAYs —-18
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    Cruz (R-TX)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Heller (R-NV)
    Johnson (R-WI)
    Lee (R-UT)
    Paul (R-KY)
    Risch (R-ID)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rubio (R-FL)
    Scott (R-SC)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Toomey (R-PA)
    Vitter (R-LA)


    The next Presidential campaign will be even more fun, watching Rubio and Rand try to explain why they voted to plunge the US into a second depression which would have cost millions of jobs.
    No telling how much damage they could as President... what attractive candidates they will make! icon_rolleyes.gif


    Tony Perkins - American Family anti gay meets anti government
    Koch Brothers- Heritage Foundation bankrolled the whole thing
  • KissTheSky

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    Oct 17, 2013 3:36 AM GMT
    Republican Senator John McCain on his own party's government shutdown and debt-ceiling extortion:
    "SHAMEFUL."

    I couldn't agree more.
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    Oct 17, 2013 4:12 AM GMT
    In any event, the long term damage to the dollar is done. No longer is the USD seen as totally safe. Two default scares in two years with another battle brewing. It is not just China, Russia, the BRIC nations calling for a review of the USD as the world's primary reserve currency, but today, the British Chancellor of the Exchequer made changes elevating the status and use of the Chinese Yuan - which affects the use of the dollar. This follows actions by the Swiss and the Germans earlier this year. Loosing the special status of the USD will have long term repercussions.

    (I believe the picture is from 2011 when Boehner became Speaker and started to cry.)
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    Oct 17, 2013 4:33 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidYeah, wanting to stop your debt from going up endlessly is really trying to "blow up the economy" isn't it?

    You know what's weird; the maniacal high Leftists experience when they think they've won.

    Oh, you HAVE won? Well, if you think getting more debt is winning, then I suppose you are correct. You'll feel it eventually.

    But of course, it's all the evil Republicans' fault, isn't it? ;)


    Please send a copy of this to your new Conservative government, who is raising your debt ceiling.

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    Oct 17, 2013 4:46 AM GMT
    meninlove said
    PolitiNerd saidYeah, wanting to stop your debt from going up endlessly is really trying to "blow up the economy" isn't it?

    You know what's weird; the maniacal high Leftists experience when they think they've won.

    Oh, you HAVE won? Well, if you think getting more debt is winning, then I suppose you are correct. You'll feel it eventually.

    But of course, it's all the evil Republicans' fault, isn't it? ;)


    Please send a copy of this to your new Conservative government, who is raising your debt ceiling.



    Yeah, and our two situations are just identical, aren't they? I have already explained that it is not the raising of the debt ceiling in itself that is the heinous crime, it is the fact that the problem will not be fixed if it is risen in America, because all that the Democrats know is to use Keynesian forms of spending money which simply amount to more debt. The Coalition is raising it to accommodate the outstanding and necessary costs in the short term. It is the WAY you spend the money that is the problem here. Democrats and Labor just spend, spend, spend on anything but useful things it would seem, as there is nothing coming of the spending thus far.

    Anyway, Australia doesn't have trillions in debt. We have a few billion, racked up by people who are almost the same minds as the Democrats: Dumb socialists who believe they are superior in every way and all they do is waste money.

    Your consistent attempts to liken the Coalition's spending habits to the Democrats is not working, honey. The Coalition actually has a set amount of things they need to do and are actually cutting spending in many places. The Democrats are just spending more. There is a big difference there.
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    PolitiNerd saidYeah, wanting to stop your debt from going up endlessly is really trying to "blow up the economy" isn't it?

    You know what's weird; the maniacal high Leftists experience when they think they've won.

    Oh, you HAVE won? Well, if you think getting more debt is winning, then I suppose you are correct. You'll feel it eventually.

    But of course, it's all the evil Republicans' fault, isn't it? ;)


    The GOP is as much for debt as the democrats. Take a look beyond the old regurgitated lines that the GOP is for smaller government, since it is not; look at what they do not what they say. Take Cantor for example. Even though all the branches of the US military testified to the House in April they have 25% more infrastructure than they need, the GOP opposes closing any bases - Virginia would be hard hit by base closings. (Do we really still need a naval base in the middle of Indiana? Or 50 military installations in Germany? Or enough naval dock space for over 300 cruisers when we don't have 300 ships in total in the USN.) Cantor in public says high speed rail is a waste of money, yet he is a proponent of it for Virginia. Cantor, Boehner, Issa, Ron Paul, Bachman, they all have solicited federal funds and handouts. While the GOP cries for small government, the GOP senators from South Carolina and Georgia sure want 8.3 billion in Federal loan guarentees for the Vogtle nuclear power plants, and the brewing scandal is going to make Solyndra look like chump change. Or closer to home in Colorado, GOP congressmen opposed the Sandy relief bill, but now that those areas of Co. have experienced flooding, they sure want some of that Sandy relief money. I guess what Emerson said is true "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."

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    Oct 17, 2013 4:54 AM GMT
    Australia doesn't have billions in debt. There are advantages in not being a superpower. But between 1946 and 2007, the US provided $711,520,424 in aid. It is my understanding that Australia is going to build more subs to defend its sea lanes, but until then, and even after, the US will have to provide for Australia's sea defense and protect its trade. (Turkey is going to build its first -albeit small carrier, Australia will still depend on the US Navy.) We have just entered into a new defense agreement.
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    Oct 17, 2013 5:17 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd said
    meninlove said
    PolitiNerd saidYeah, wanting to stop your debt from going up endlessly is really trying to "blow up the economy" isn't it?

    You know what's weird; the maniacal high Leftists experience when they think they've won.

    Oh, you HAVE won? Well, if you think getting more debt is winning, then I suppose you are correct. You'll feel it eventually.

    But of course, it's all the evil Republicans' fault, isn't it? ;)


    Please send a copy of this to your new Conservative government, who is raising your debt ceiling.



    Yeah, and our two situations are just identical, aren't they? I have already explained that it is not the raising of the debt ceiling in itself that is the heinous crime, it is the fact that the problem will not be fixed if it is risen in America, because all that the Democrats know is to use Keynesian forms of spending money which simply amount to more debt. The Coalition is raising it to accommodate the outstanding and necessary costs in the short term. It is the WAY you spend the money that is the problem here. Democrats and Labor just spend, spend, spend on anything but useful things it would seem, as there is nothing coming of the spending thus far.

    Anyway, Australia doesn't have trillions in debt. We have a few billion, racked up by people who are almost the same minds as the Democrats: Dumb socialists who believe they are superior in every way and all they do is waste money.

    Your consistent attempts to liken the Coalition's spending habits to the Democrats is not working, honey. The Coalition actually has a set amount of things they need to do and are actually cutting spending in many places. The Democrats are just spending more. There is a big difference there.


    *reads wall of text* My my. I- ...no never mind. Consider that your argument is about principle, and in principle raising the debt ceiling is a no go according to you. So..glass houses and all that. icon_wink.gif
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 17, 2013 5:21 AM GMT
    neuergriff1 saidAustralia doesn't have billions in debt.


    Um...yes, we do. A lot of it. Where on Earth are you getting that from? We've gone through this a thousand times here in Australia.

    Aristoshark saidThe Debt Ceiling has nothing to do with taking on new debt.


    Are you deliberately being stupid? Of course it has something to do with the debt level. You raise the debt ceiling so as to allow for MORE borrowing, creating MORE debt. That's what they're designed to do. Actually, they're supposed to stop the debt increase by setting a limit to how much a country can indebt itself to others, however, you and the Democrats seem to think more debt is better. Someone else will pay for it, right?
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    Oct 17, 2013 5:27 AM GMT
    You are right, I stand corrected; the Australian national debt is actually quite high though its relation to GDP seems reasonable. Perhaps you should work on getting your house in order in Canberra before getting on our case.

    What the House GOP won't admit is that they wanted to default on the debt that they voted for. Boehner and Cantor voted for two wars that they refused to pay for when they were at their peak and now want to default on the bond payments for them. Tea Party folks are all for less government as long as you don't touch their Medicare and Social Security.
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    Oct 17, 2013 5:31 AM GMT
    http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/chart-the-house-gops-demand-list


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  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 17, 2013 6:05 AM GMT
    neuergriff1 saidYou are right, I stand corrected; the Australian national debt is actually quite high though its relation to GDP seems reasonable. Perhaps you should work on getting your house in order in Canberra before getting on our case.

    What the House GOP won't admit is that they wanted to default on the debt that they voted for. Boehner and Cantor voted for two wars that they refused to pay for when they were at their peak and now want to default on the bond payments for them. Tea Party folks are all for less government as long as you don't touch their Medicare and Social Security.


    It's not a very good argument to tell me I shouldn't speak about this because Australia has debt. Give it about 9 years at least and it will all gone. The Coalition did it before with almost the same ministers.

    From what I have investigated and know, the Republicans never wanted to default. That's stupid. They CAN'T it is IMPOSSIBLE. The only way a default could happen is if Obama deliberately made it happen. And if he did. I think he qualifies for assassination ;) (joking) But it would be beyond recognition of stupidity.
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    Oct 17, 2013 6:18 AM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/house-worker-yells-during-vote-escorted-away-030128009--politics.html



    Lawmakers said she was yelling about the House being divided and the devil. Texas Democratic Rep. Joaquin Castro said she had a crazed look on her face.


    a pod person from planet Koresh?


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    Oct 17, 2013 9:13 AM GMT
    "We just didn’t win."
    Probably the most truthful thing Boehner has said in recent memory.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/liveblog/live-updates-the-shutdown-9/?id=5ae25b39-abaa-4eaf-918f-1c9ec19ad7eb
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    Oct 17, 2013 11:00 AM GMT
    topathlete said
    Aristoshark said
    topathlete said
    You're the one Aristoshark totally stupid. The issue has been to address the problems in the future as a condition for paying for problems in the past. Tough concept isn't it?

    As I pointed out in another thread by Silver, the Dems will not get the House and just watch the sticker shock with Obamacare. You're going to get even more unhinged.

    BTW - do you even have a job now? Many good people don't but also the leaches of society don't either.

    Wow, you're a dimwit too.
    You are exactly wrong. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Google something once in a while before you make an ass of yourself. The debt ceiling refers to the borrowing to pay back monies that have already been spent. Whatever discussion there may be about future budgeting is not relevant to the debt ceiling this year, although it could be next year.
    Didn't you have to take a government class in school? Or were too busy getting high and cutting class?

    It's totally relevant total dummy. Here is a simple analogy - probably still above your level of intelligence - A family has spending habits where they are living beyond their means. They have gotten themselves into a situation where they need even more credit for this month's necessities. As a condition for getting the additional credit they are required to create a budget so they can live within their means so the credit does not have to be endlessly increased.


    Oh John, you are socal(culated).
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    topathlete said
    Aristoshark said
    topathlete said
    You're the one Aristoshark totally stupid. The issue has been to address the problems in the future as a condition for paying for problems in the past. Tough concept isn't it?

    As I pointed out in another thread by Silver, the Dems will not get the House and just watch the sticker shock with Obamacare. You're going to get even more unhinged.

    BTW - do you even have a job now? Many good people don't but also the leaches of society don't either.

    Wow, you're a dimwit too.
    You are exactly wrong. This is not an opinion, it is a fact. Google something once in a while before you make an ass of yourself. The debt ceiling refers to the borrowing to pay back monies that have already been spent. Whatever discussion there may be about future budgeting is not relevant to the debt ceiling this year, although it could be next year.
    Didn't you have to take a government class in school? Or were too busy getting high and cutting class?

    It's totally relevant total dummy. Here is a simple analogy - probably still above your level of intelligence - A family has spending habits where they are living beyond their means. They have gotten themselves into a situation where they need even more credit for this month's necessities. As a condition for getting the additional credit they are required to create a budget so they can live within their means so the credit does not have to be endlessly increased.


    Oh John, you are socal(culated).


    Soooo another left wing sock back. Could this be the infamous

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  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Oct 17, 2013 11:56 AM GMT
    Let's be clear here....NOBODY has "WON" here. The American people have lost. This was no solution reached, it was an EPIC FAIL on the part of the entire congress. They've made "Kicking The Can Down The Road" an Olympic Sport. It's embarrassing that the American people do not have better caretakers of our country and our budget. This will all be revisited again come February. Bank on it. Another looming deadline crisis awaits. We've seen this movie before. Sad icon_cry.gif