Interpretation of Obama: Socialist or Fascist?

  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 19, 2013 3:41 AM GMT
    To begin, I shall concede my previous accusations of Obama being a Socialist have been inaccurate. To what extent I shall lead up to you. Discussions with my father and articles he has pointed out to me have slightly altered by perception of the incumbent American President.

    This article; http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/06/12/socialist_or_fascist/page/full, was quite interesting in how it talked about this.

    Seeing as though Leftists still seem to think that fascism is a right wing thing, they will most likely laugh at this, shrug it off and call me some derogatory name relating to my level of intelligence, my nationality or my age. But give it a read and discuss icon_smile.gif

    Nicely.

    EDIT: Another article, perhaps even better in describing the original point: http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/14271-is-president-obama-more-socialist-or-fascist
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 19, 2013 4:02 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said...as Daniel Moynihan famously said, entitled to your own facts.


    So basically, you're saying that because the articles say something that you don't agree with, that means that they MUST be wrong and I am just a naive, dumb boy?

    The articles have given examples of how Obama is close to one of the two concepts in the title.

    Conservative parties aren't close to Nazism at all, in fact. Few elements like non-support for gay people does not equate to Nazism. Not every Republican says the things Santorum does.

    The fact that you describe an author a "moron", you display contempt for the man not based on the words, but on ad hominem. This gives the impression you will invariably disagree, many times, viciously, regardless on what it actually says.

    The guy who wrote the Pink Swastika is indeed bloody stupid, in my own opinion, due to the fact that he says the Nazis were gay when there was no evidence for it. Especially since Hitler purged the SA and Rohm based on their perceived homosexuality, but no one else outside that organisation. He got rid of them anyway, because they were an unstable element to Hitler's consolidation of complete influence over Germany. If indeed, the Nazis were all gay, then there would have been more purging outside of the SA.

    I qualified my accusation of stupidity to that author. You simply said that Jonah Goldberg was a moron and left it at that, presumably because he is not of the Left.

    I don't see how you can say I am not studied in history. Sure, I am young and haven't had the direct experience, but I can research if I need to. I ain't gonna fall into what David Santayana warned of; "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
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    Oct 19, 2013 4:28 AM GMT
    Whether we have enough government is one thing, but Obama is in the mainstream of American history and obviously the writers are ignorant of that history.

    While the US Constitution does not mention any economic system other than slavery, it makes clear that the Federal government has a powerful role to play. Article 1, Section 8, gives the Federal government broad economic powers, many of which were before either in private hands or in the hands of the states under the Articles of Confederation or which had remained unchanged when the states were colonies and under the Articles were left in private hands.

    The Federal government has always been involved in what has been required of the private sector. One of the first laws passed during the Washington Administration was the the Tariff Act of 1789 which specifically picked which businesses and industries would prosper and which would not and the Lighthouse Act of 1789 which nationalized property.(President Jefferson went to the extreme of deciding which individual ships with what cargo would be allowed to sail and to which foreign port.)

  • musclmed

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    Oct 19, 2013 4:47 AM GMT
    I am not sure if the label fascist or socialist completely fit. What I do know is that he has presided over the least transparent adminstration since Nixon.

    So who knows what he believes, how he governs and how he makes his decisions.


    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/10/10/cpj-report-on-obama-press/2960607/


    But his administration’s actions have too often contradicted Obama’s stated intentions. “Instead,” New York Times public editor Margaret Sullivan wrote earlier this year, “it’s turning out to be the administration of unprecedented secrecy and unprecedented attacks on a free press.”


    http://www.cpj.org/reports/2013/10/obama-and-the-press-us-leaks-surveillance-post-911.php


    And Obama is not afraid to use the hammer of government to harass any critics.
    Tea party groups, Franklin Graham, Christine O'Donnell, a pro-marriage group. And now Dr. Ben Carson.

    The list of conservatives targeted by the Internal Revenue Service for audits, tax-exempt reviews or tax privacy breaches keeps growing, raising fresh questions in Washington about whether a scandal the Obama administration has blamed on bureaucratic incompetence and coincidence may in fact involve something more nefarious.


    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/3/irs-targeted-dr-ben-carson-after-prayer-breakfast-/?page=all
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    Oct 19, 2013 4:58 AM GMT


    "Interpretation of Obama: Socialist or Fascist?"

    No. He's another Tony Abbott. How awful.
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    Oct 19, 2013 5:29 AM GMT
    meninlove said

    "Interpretation of Obama: Socialist or Fascist?"

    No. He's another Tony Abbott. How awful.


    Infact Tony Abbott got rid of our socialist leader kevin and Julia, and our communist party the Greens.

    How fabulous; but now it's time to get the bills paid off again from our socialist party Labor putting us back into debut, after John Howard paid off all their last bills.

    But Obama, the problem with being a socialist, is that you will run out of other peoples money. Oh my that may bring about a Government shutdown.icon_redface.gif

    Has America thanks to Obama just become another failed republic?

    Long live the Queenicon_razz.gif
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    Oct 19, 2013 6:57 AM GMT
    meh just another smug, secretive elitist sucking Wall Street and Hollywood cock
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 19, 2013 8:07 AM GMT
    It's really rich, Aristoshark to be saying that I use childish insults. Sure, I shall concede that I made a snarky comment about reading comprehension skills. But next to your repeat offending of childish bullshit, I think it's pretty rich for you to say I do it. Projection is great when the other doesn't know what they're doing. I did not equate totalitarianism with left or right. That can happen either way.
  • PIccadilly

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    Oct 19, 2013 1:12 PM GMT
    Every time an American calls Obama a socialist, the rest of the world is pissing itself laughing. And now he's supposed to be a fascist?? Wow!!
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    Oct 19, 2013 1:15 PM GMT
    Socialist or Fascist? What about "illegal alien from Kenya"?

    Have you exhausted that line of attack yet?
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    Oct 19, 2013 3:34 PM GMT
    Piccadilly saidEvery time an American calls Obama a socialist, the rest of the world is pissing itself laughing. And now he's supposed to be a fascist?? Wow!!


    Yet for some interesting reason the people calling Obama a socialist or fascist can't hear the world laughing at them. Does anyone know why?

    As for Tony Abbott and Obama; they are the same. icon_lol.gif They're both Right but not as Right as the tea party and Republican Party.
  • PIccadilly

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    Oct 19, 2013 5:57 PM GMT
    meninlove said Yet for some interesting reason the people calling Obama a socialist or fascist can't hear the world laughing at them. Does anyone know why?


    The media.
  • Lincsbear

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    Oct 19, 2013 10:05 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    Piccadilly saidEvery time an American calls Obama a socialist, the rest of the world is pissing itself laughing. And now he's supposed to be a fascist?? Wow!!


    Yet for some interesting reason the people calling Obama a socialist or fascist can't hear the world laughing at them. Does anyone know why?

    As for Tony Abbott and Obama; they are the same. icon_lol.gif They're both Right but not as Right as the tea party and Republican Party.


    Agreed.

    I`d call Obama middle of the road, Liberal-Conservative, where most votes are in the US.
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    Oct 20, 2013 3:21 AM GMT
    How could someone be "liberal/conservative"?
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 20, 2013 4:11 AM GMT
    Blakes7 saidHow could someone be "liberal/conservative"?


    That's the stupidity of it. You can't. It's an oxymoron. But only in the American sense. Liberalism is different elsewhere icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 20, 2013 4:49 AM GMT
    PolitiNerd said
    Blakes7 saidHow could someone be "liberal/conservative"?


    That's the stupidity of it. You can't. It's an oxymoron. But only in the American sense. Liberalism is different elsewhere icon_razz.gif


    Oh yes you can; the world is greater than you know.
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    Oct 20, 2013 6:35 AM GMT
    I'm a liberal conservative. Social liberal and fiscal moderate/conservative.
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 20, 2013 7:46 AM GMT
    somersault saidI'm a liberal conservative. Social liberal and fiscal moderate/conservative.


    Seeing it said like that, I see how it is plausible. But said as a blanket statement, it is unworkable. I would say that you are a Libertarian. To say one is a liberal conservative is borderline oxymoronic.
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    Oct 20, 2013 10:12 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    Blakes7 saidHow could someone be "liberal/conservative"?

    Quiet, the adults are talking now.


    You're not a shark, you're a horse's ass.
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    Oct 21, 2013 1:10 AM GMT
    Actually I was getting ready for work. Utilities don't shut down on weekends and nights. Or holidays.
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    Oct 21, 2013 10:23 AM GMT
    Aristoshark said
    Blakes7 saidActually I was getting ready for work. Utilities don't shut down on weekends and nights. Or holidays.

    Like anyone cares what you or don't do. Possibly including your mother.


    Then why ask?