UPDATE on what is going on with the PROTESTS!!!

  • daveza

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    Nov 28, 2008 10:21 PM GMT
    Does it seem like the energy around the protests of Prop 8 has died down?? Well is hasn't!! Right now there are a lot of people PLANNING the upcoming actions. There is a lot of exciting stuff in store and I'm looking forward to updating about it. I'll keep more news posted as it comes..

    Here is a really great article that tells you what is REALLY going on here in LA behind the scenes.

    LA WEEKLY: YOUNG GAYS TAKE REINS FROM ELDERS ON PROP 8

    Also... just to remind you what is really goin on... here's one of my favourite videos from the protests that took place right after Prop 8 got passed.



    What type of actions do YOU think should take place to keep the energy up??
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    Nov 28, 2008 11:29 PM GMT
    I think public demonstrations should be reserved for certain periods. Until the case is looked at, we need to start talking to people in our communities. Any marches, demonstrations, etc...will seem bothersome if not around significant dates. We need to stop rallying our forces and we need to start getting MORE forces.
  • daveza

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    Nov 29, 2008 3:54 AM GMT
    looknrnd saidI think public demonstrations should be reserved for certain periods. Until the case is looked at, we need to start talking to people in our communities. Any marches, demonstrations, etc...will seem bothersome if not around significant dates. We need to stop rallying our forces and we need to start getting MORE forces.


    I agree that this is the time to start building stronger coalitions with leaders in other communities, and I think that is what is taking place at the moment. It is especially true from what I have seen up in LA-- eg at UCLA, LGBT groups reaching out to young leaders in communities of color to plan joint events for everyone to stand up against Prop 8.

    I think, however, we should continue with public demonstrations right now-- but along the lines of what you said, make sure our allies are there with us! What do you all think of demonstrations in the style of ACT UP NOW?? Any guys out there who remember this stuff and can speak about it?? Were you apart of it? If not, what did you think about it? It's way before my time, but I think their style was totally on-point. Right now I think it's important to plan stuff like that for right now.icon_exclaim.gif
  • GQjock

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    Nov 29, 2008 7:27 PM GMT
    I agree ...

    Let the State Supreme Court now come back with their verdict
    We have proven that the people who voted for this measure are nothing but sniveling little bigots and let them now come out to defend their vote
    .... they won't... because they know how wrong it was

  • daveza

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    Dec 10, 2008 10:10 AM GMT
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    New update.. check this out!!

    New York Times Article out this morning:
    Gay Marriage Ban Inspires New Wave of Activists

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/10/us/10marriage.html
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    Dec 10, 2008 10:12 AM GMT
    daveZA saidDoes it seem like the energy around the protests of Prop 8 has died down?? Well is hasn't!! Right now there are a lot of people PLANNING the upcoming actions. There is a lot of exciting stuff in store and I'm looking forward to updating about it. I'll keep more news posted as it comes..

    Here is a really great article that tells you what is REALLY going on here in LA behind the scenes.

    LA WEEKLY: YOUNG GAYS TAKE REINS FROM ELDERS ON PROP 8

    Also... just to remind you what is really goin on... here's one of my favourite videos from the protests that took place right after Prop 8 got passed.



    What type of actions do YOU think should take place to keep the energy up??


    More protests, more protesters!!!!!
  • daveza

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    Dec 10, 2008 10:14 AM GMT
    Oh baby youre gonna love January. Good stuff in store icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif

    Not just protests... but new actions... that like the protests will start in socal and spread like wildfire (if things work out as planned...) and become a national event!! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 10, 2008 10:19 AM GMT
    daveZA saidOh baby youre gonna love January. Good stuff in store icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gif

    Not just protests... but new actions... that like the protests will start in socal and spread like wildfire (if things work out as planned...) and become a national event!! icon_biggrin.gif


    January 10th right? I'm looking forward to it. I hope we can make a decent showing in Omaha and elsewhere on the Plains.
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    Dec 13, 2008 11:55 PM GMT
    Excellent post with valuable information. Something to chew on. Rather than crying, whning and calling names, let's do what the opposition did:

    work the phones
    build alliances
    talk, explain to others

    but best of all......put a human face on the issue.

    I tend to say hold off on the protests until we have more solid support.

    Thanks for the pep talk.
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    Dec 16, 2008 8:49 AM GMT
    Don't let this die. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 16, 2008 3:33 PM GMT
    Here's how i feel. the gay marriage debate is not a civil rights issue. whether you look in the bible, or a dictionary, it clearly states that it's between one man and one woman. also, you can't compare this with how it was illegal for interacial couples to wed. a black man and a white woman still meets the criteria of what marriage is. if gay activists would spend less time screaming discrimination over a word, and more time improving the state a civil unions, a lot more progress would be done.
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    Dec 16, 2008 3:49 PM GMT
    "it clearly states that it's between one man and one woman"

    What does?
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    Dec 16, 2008 3:50 PM GMT
    If it isn't a civil rights issues how come we are denied over 1,200 civil rights?

    But anyway, thanks for the post Daveza. Keep us updated so we can keep active.
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    Dec 16, 2008 3:52 PM GMT
    daveZA! nice pic! i know Mike, Chris and MGL! all amazing people. I personally fall short of the passion they have for this cause.
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    Dec 16, 2008 4:01 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidIf it isn't a civil rights issues how come we are denied over 1,200 civil rights?

    But anyway, thanks for the post Daveza. Keep us updated so we can keep active.


    gay marriage isn't a civil rights issue. marriage is what it is. civil unions, how ever is a civil rights issue. spend less time screaming discrimination over a word, and more time improving civil unions. BTW, I'm new here, so I'm just wondering why the heck are there so many dog gone gay marriage threads? maybe it's just me, but i don't see the point in having dozens of threads that have to do with the same issue.
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    Dec 16, 2008 4:10 PM GMT
    It's partly because some guys make assertions and when asked to back them up, go silent.
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    Dec 16, 2008 4:31 PM GMT
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    MunchingZombie saidIf it isn't a civil rights issues how come we are denied over 1,200 civil rights?

    But anyway, thanks for the post Daveza. Keep us updated so we can keep active.


    gay marriage isn't a civil rights issue. marriage is what it is. civil unions, how ever is a civil rights issue. spend less time screaming discrimination over a word, and more time improving civil unions. BTW, I'm new here, so I'm just wondering why the heck are there so many dog gone gay marriage threads? maybe it's just me, but i don't see the point in having dozens of threads that have to do with the same issue.


    It's a matter of equality, honey. It's been shown time and time again that separate is NOT equal. Saying that one group of people can have a thing called 'marriage' and another group can only have a thing call 'civil unions' doesn't work.

    You are aware that meanings of words are changed all the time, right? Just look at the word 'gay'.

    And there are dozens of threads about pretty much every topic on these boards. Just look up all the "I want to gain muscle but lose fat!" threads.
  • Rookz

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    Dec 16, 2008 5:37 PM GMT
    I understand we don't wish to be silent. But at the same time we need to be proactive in other venues besides protesting.

    Talking: If you can approach friends and families who are uneducated on the view of gay marriage, please enlighten them.Do the best you can to your knowledge to reach them with reason and compassion, and hope that they can understand even a tid bit what our struggle is (although I really would like to tie up people and lock them in the basement until gay marriage is approved).

    Arm yourself: With knowledge. Educate yourself so you can confront the extremist-religious-freaks, conservatives, mean-spirited-never-do-wells, etc. with insight that they did not see. Thanks to my uber religious friend, she questioned her fellow church goers what's wrong with gay marriage and love and there's nothing in the bible (up to date) that condones it.

    We can reach people one at a time, a more personal touch in the meantime from our protest.

    And as for protest, which direction should we go? Violent? Peaceful? How can we make the protest show our view but open for people to be approachable?
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    Dec 17, 2008 11:36 PM GMT
    jffrsnndisc0rlnss saidHere's how i feel. the gay marriage debate is not a civil rights issue. whether you look in the bible, or a dictionary, it clearly states that it's between one man and one woman. also, you can't compare this with how it was illegal for interacial couples to wed. a black man and a white woman still meets the criteria of what marriage is. if gay activists would spend less time screaming discrimination over a word, and more time improving the state a civil unions, a lot more progress would be done.


    How is it not a civil rights issue? The gov't has to issue a marriage license, and once the gov't gets involved theirs no reason to use one religious definition when they are churches, religions, and other marrying entities out there that will marry us. There is no reason to use one religious definition, when the separation of church and state is supposed to keep the gov't from adopting one religious belief.