Huffington Post - Thousands Of Americans See Their Health Plans Canceled

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    Oct 22, 2013 5:10 PM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/health-care-cancelled-obamacare_n_4138129.html
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    Oct 22, 2013 5:27 PM GMT


    Good article. Balanced. I like that.

    "By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify. The law requires policies sold in the individual market to cover 10 “essential” benefits, such as prescription drugs, mental health treatment and maternity care. In addition, insurers cannot reject people with medical problems or charge them higher prices. The policies must also cap consumers’ annual expenses at levels lower than many plans sold before the new rules."
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    Oct 22, 2013 5:38 PM GMT
    More lies from Obama:



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    Oct 22, 2013 5:53 PM GMT
    topathlete saidInteresting starting to be reported even by left-leaning or left-friendly web sites. The broken promise together with the high cost premiums that young healthy folks will see (who don't qualify for subsidies) may be a perfect storm against the Democrats in 2014 and maybe even 2016.

    Although the Republicans have been totally inept and without an intelligent strategy in addition to keeping the House (predicted) they might even take the Senate.

    Keep the popcorn handy. This will be something to watch.



    I think delaying the individual mandate for a year and making signing up voluntary is a good idea until they can get some of the issues worked out.
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    Oct 22, 2013 6:25 PM GMT
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    freedomisntfree said
    topathlete saidInteresting starting to be reported even by left-leaning or left-friendly web sites. The broken promise together with the high cost premiums that young healthy folks will see (who don't qualify for subsidies) may be a perfect storm against the Democrats in 2014 and maybe even 2016.

    Although the Republicans have been totally inept and without an intelligent strategy in addition to keeping the House (predicted) they might even take the Senate.

    Keep the popcorn handy. This will be something to watch.


    I think delaying the individual mandate for a year and making signing up voluntary is a good idea until they can get some of the issues worked out.

    That would actually work to Obama's benefit taking the heat off and preventing people from actually seeing the costs for a while but Obama is so stubborn that it would be seen as giving in to Republican demands. I think his ego will win out here unless the technical issues become untenable.


    Petulant is more the term I would use.

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    Oct 22, 2013 6:47 PM GMT
    Aristoshark saidThe only thing that could make the costs go up is if the right-wing is successful in persuading young people not to sign up. I don't believe they will be, but that's the point of the sabotage.

    Be careful what you wish for. If the campaign against Obamacare succeeds, we're going to wind up with something you'll like even less---Medicare for all. People are going to be furious if they get healthcare and then have it yanked away. It will make 2010 look like a garden party.


    It's the law of the land. We lost. Now we have to make it work. They need to delay the individual mandate (like they did the business mandate) for some period of time and make it voluntary so they get some real world experience to get the kinks worked out.
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    Oct 22, 2013 7:17 PM GMT
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    Aristoshark saidThe only thing that could make the costs go up is if the right-wing is successful in persuading young people not to sign up. I don't believe they will be, but that's the point of the sabotage.

    Be careful what you wish for. If the campaign against Obamacare succeeds, we're going to wind up with something you'll like even less---Medicare for all. People are going to be furious if they get healthcare and then have it yanked away. It will make 2010 look like a garden party.


    It's the law of the land. We lost. Now we have to make it work. They need to delay the individual mandate (like they did the business mandate) for some period of time and make it voluntary so they get some real world experience to get the kinks worked out.


    Yes, those against ACA lost when the supreme court ruled and it became law. I'm thinking right now of how it would have been if the GOP had accepted that and instead of obstructing more, had plunged in up to the elbows to help make it work. It would have been great, and put the Republicans in the spot light of being the good guys. You know, making it work rather than leaving it up to the bungling of one Party. Anyone can tell you that teamwork is better. icon_wink.gif
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    Oct 22, 2013 8:48 PM GMT
    topathlete said
    freedomisntfree said
    topathlete saidInteresting starting to be reported even by left-leaning or left-friendly web sites. The broken promise together with the high cost premiums that young healthy folks will see (who don't qualify for subsidies) may be a perfect storm against the Democrats in 2014 and maybe even 2016.

    Although the Republicans have been totally inept and without an intelligent strategy in addition to keeping the House (predicted) they might even take the Senate.

    Keep the popcorn handy. This will be something to watch.


    I think delaying the individual mandate for a year and making signing up voluntary is a good idea until they can get some of the issues worked out.

    That would actually work to Obama's benefit taking the heat off and preventing people from actually seeing the costs for a while but Obama is so stubborn that it would be seen as giving in to Republican demands. I think his ego will win out here unless the technical issues become untenable.


    I hope they DON'T delay the individual mandate. The Republicans were begging for that to be done as a condition to end the government "not-really-shutdown" and Obama and Reid said "No! No! No!"

    So now, let's just all respect that decision and let the Democrats fix it in time for the 30 million+ who don't have health insurance to sign up before the deadline kicks in.
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    Oct 22, 2013 9:52 PM GMT
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    topathlete said
    freedomisntfree said
    topathlete saidInteresting starting to be reported even by left-leaning or left-friendly web sites. The broken promise together with the high cost premiums that young healthy folks will see (who don't qualify for subsidies) may be a perfect storm against the Democrats in 2014 and maybe even 2016.

    Although the Republicans have been totally inept and without an intelligent strategy in addition to keeping the House (predicted) they might even take the Senate.

    Keep the popcorn handy. This will be something to watch.


    I think delaying the individual mandate for a year and making signing up voluntary is a good idea until they can get some of the issues worked out.

    That would actually work to Obama's benefit taking the heat off and preventing people from actually seeing the costs for a while but Obama is so stubborn that it would be seen as giving in to Republican demands. I think his ego will win out here unless the technical issues become untenable.


    I hope they DON'T delay the individual mandate. The Republicans were begging for that to be done as a condition to end the government "not-really-shutdown" and Obama and Reid said "No! No! No!"

    So now, let's just all respect that decision and let the Democrats fix it in time for the 30 million+ who don't have health insurance to sign up before the deadline kicks in.


    Whatever, but I'm not about to give them my SS number and banking info when the site is this screwed up. I'll pay the fine.
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    Oct 22, 2013 11:01 PM GMT
    topathlete said[...]the high cost premiums that young healthy folks will see (who don't qualify for subsidies) [...]


    Umm...I'm not sure about that assertion!

    http://younginvincibles.org/2013/02/is-obamacare-bad-for-young-people-lets-ask-them/
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    topathlete said[...]the high cost premiums that young healthy folks will see (who don't qualify for subsidies) [...]


    Umm...I'm not sure about that assertion!

    http://younginvincibles.org/2013/02/is-obamacare-bad-for-young-people-lets-ask-them/


    And what happens once they turn 27? (That's a "magic number" for Obamacare.)

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    Oct 23, 2013 2:32 AM GMT
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    topathlete said[...]the high cost premiums that young healthy folks will see (who don't qualify for subsidies) [...]


    Umm...I'm not sure about that assertion!

    http://younginvincibles.org/2013/02/is-obamacare-bad-for-young-people-lets-ask-them/


    And what happens once they turn 27? (That's a "magic number" for Obamacare.)



    That's if you make more than 300% of federal poverty level. For the majority of us "Millenials" that's not anything close to reality.
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    Oct 23, 2013 2:56 AM GMT
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    topathlete said[...]the high cost premiums that young healthy folks will see (who don't qualify for subsidies) [...]


    Umm...I'm not sure about that assertion!

    http://younginvincibles.org/2013/02/is-obamacare-bad-for-young-people-lets-ask-them/


    And what happens once they turn 27? (That's a "magic number" for Obamacare.)



    That's if you make more than 300% of federal poverty level. For the majority of us "Millenials" that's not anything close to reality.



    Huh?

    Q: And what happens once they turn 27?

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    Oct 23, 2013 3:27 AM GMT
    3148columbus said
    meninlove said

    Good article. Balanced. I like that.

    "By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify. The law requires policies sold in the individual market to cover 10 “essential” benefits, such as prescription drugs, mental health treatment and maternity care. In addition, insurers cannot reject people with medical problems or charge them higher prices. The policies must also cap consumers’ annual expenses at levels lower than many plans sold before the new rules."


    So please tell us meninlove-- What plan have you chosen? Did you have any trouble choosing one? I'd like some tips from your personal experience with this mess.

    I finally received my open enrollment pamphlet today and it is so fucking complicated and I've got two weeks to figure it out. I've now got a number of plans to choose from, each with different costs and networks. Now I have to figure out which plan will benefit me the best and which doctors I'll be able to keep. And I still don't know what portion my employer will pay.



    MenInlove I think is from Canada. But he may want to ask the Canadian company that made the website. icon_wink.gif

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/16/meet-cgi-federal-the-company-behind-the-botched-launch-of-healthcare-gov/
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    meninlove said

    Good article. Balanced. I like that.

    "By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify. The law requires policies sold in the individual market to cover 10 “essential” benefits, such as prescription drugs, mental health treatment and maternity care. In addition, insurers cannot reject people with medical problems or charge them higher prices. The policies must also cap consumers’ annual expenses at levels lower than many plans sold before the new rules."


    So please tell us meninlove-- What plan have you chosen? Did you have any trouble choosing one? I'd like some tips from your personal experience with this mess.

    I finally received my open enrollment pamphlet today and it is so fucking complicated and I've got two weeks to figure it out. I've now got a number of plans to choose from, each with different costs and networks. Now I have to figure out which plan will benefit me the best and which doctors I'll be able to keep. And I still don't know what portion my employer will pay.


    Excellent question. What plan did "meninlove" choose? Obviously "meninlove" is an expert on the situation confronting hundreds of millions of Americans, so I too am curious as to what plan they chose. Or maybe, as the President repeated over and over and over and over again, they liked their plan and they kept it!




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    Oct 23, 2013 7:48 AM GMT
    America. Not only do I think it sad that you can not sack this man. I feel it wrong too. The role of president of the US of A at the moment seems more like a dictatorship.

    Maybe you could bring in the Swiss to manage things.
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    Oct 23, 2013 7:50 AM GMT
    Mr Obama, you have failed America.............
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    Oct 23, 2013 2:22 PM GMT
    Add me to the list. I got the letter yesterday from my insurance company that they have been forced to discontinue my plan because of the new regulations.

    The closest plan in terms of benefits is $250 more per month and the deductible went from $2500 to $6000. I can't afford this.
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    Oct 23, 2013 7:26 PM GMT
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    meninlove said

    Good article. Balanced. I like that.

    "By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify. The law requires policies sold in the individual market to cover 10 “essential” benefits, such as prescription drugs, mental health treatment and maternity care. In addition, insurers cannot reject people with medical problems or charge them higher prices. The policies must also cap consumers’ annual expenses at levels lower than many plans sold before the new rules."


    So please tell us meninlove-- What plan have you chosen? Did you have any trouble choosing one? I'd like some tips from your personal experience with this mess.



    This was too funny to not reply to. I quoted a passage from the article, which is a good one that I thank FIF for. I also said it was balanced, unlike your post, columbus. We're in Canada - single payer universal system. We have LOTS of friends and relatives in the US. Did you think our only connection with the US was through RJ? O.o
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    Oct 23, 2013 7:30 PM GMT
    HairyPits saidAdd me to the list. I got the letter yesterday from my insurance company that they have been forced to discontinue my plan because of the new regulations.

    The closest plan in terms of benefits is $250 more per month and the deductible went from $2500 to $6000. I can't afford this.



    *observes 56 year old man (per profile) with pic of 20 something as his pic, sleeping, which he says he does at work*

    Perhaps try a different insurance company, as your post sounds like the insurance co you are using currently is offering you a more expensive plan as their old one had holes in terms of types of things needing to be covered.
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    Best regards to you to penn. btw our profile about us and where we live is always available to look at. icon_wink.gif

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    Oct 24, 2013 4:18 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    Good article. Balanced. I like that.

    "By all accounts, the new policies will offer consumers better coverage, in some cases, for comparable cost -- especially after the inclusion of federal subsidies for those who qualify. The law requires policies sold in the individual market to cover 10 “essential” benefits, such as prescription drugs, mental health treatment and maternity care. In addition, insurers cannot reject people with medical problems or charge them higher prices. The policies must also cap consumers’ annual expenses at levels lower than many plans sold before the new rules."


    You've defined the article as being "good" and "balanced". Let's look at the referenced facts:

    "By all accounts" - is this a new method of statistical interpretation?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57608843/healthcare.gov-pricing-feature-can-be-off-the-mark/

    While I suppose you could make the claim it tries to be balanced, the reality appears to be more than it's avoiding the fact that the cost of coverage is actually increasing for most people but in a few markets it's decreasing.

    But that's only for now given that we don't know where the insurance markets will fall out. This is the stance also being taken by many large insurers who have opted out of most of these markets. An estimated 6 million young people will need to join the markets and pay for coverage in order for even these expectations to be met. How many have signed up so far? How many do you suppose will sign up by January?
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    Sorry Riddie, that was a reply to freedomisntfree. Your opinions are about as valuable to me as that slug on my from sidewalk. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Sorry Riddie, that was a reply to freedomisntfree. Your opinions are about as valuable to me as that slug on my from sidewalk. icon_biggrin.gif


    Sorry for once again showing how stupid you often come across. Given your inability to express your views and the quality of them when you do, I'm sure more than a few people feel the same of yours icon_wink.gif
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