California’s fair-elections commission is investigating a complaint against the Mormon Church’s role in campaigning for Proposition 8

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    Nov 29, 2008 4:21 PM GMT
    "Fred Karger, the founder of a group called Californians Against Hate, who filed the complaint, contends that the Mormon Church provided significant contributions to the pro-Proposition 8 campaign that it did not report, as state law requires. The Fair Political Practices Commission of California is investigating, among other things, commercials, out-of-state phone banks and a Web site sponsored by the church.

    If the commission finds that the church violated state reporting laws, it could impose penalties of up to $5,000 per violation, and sue for additional amounts."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/opinion/29sat2.html?th&emc=th
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    Nov 29, 2008 4:47 PM GMT
    It would be even more damaging if the LDS lost their tax-exempt status for direct contributions and participation in a political campaign. But that'll never happen, they're too big and have too many friends, despite their obvious violations of the law.

    Just like the Catholic Church could have been prosecuted under RICO for covering-up and permitting child sexual abuse for decades, but no one would dare to try. Two standards of justice is an American tradition.
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    Nov 29, 2008 4:52 PM GMT
    I am not one bit surprised at this latest allegation about the Mormon Church and given that church's corrupt background I will not be surprised if this is proven true. Hopefully there is enough legal ammunition to publicly expose the Mormon Church and severely damage its credibility among the voters. Hopefully this could lead to a re-vote on this horrendous proposition 8 with a desired defeat of this proposition 8 that is if the gay community does its legal homework and successfully fights off the phony allegations about influencing children. I would also like to see the Roman Catholic Church also be subject to intense questioning as well since they also played a major role in this unfortunate referendum victory.
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    Nov 29, 2008 4:58 PM GMT
    State and local entities cannot touch the LDS, and the Federal government wouldn't dare. There is enough money, and enough politicians & judges in their corner, that they are immune.

    I certainly applaud attempts to expose the LDS for what it is, but these will come to nothing legally. Likewise the Catholic Church won't be penalized for its political activities, either. No politician or judge would dare enrage a large segment of the population on a matter of religion.
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    Nov 29, 2008 7:23 PM GMT
    It was plain as day ...
    The LDS Church poured money into this proposition
    and its time we wake up in this country and get ourselves out from under the hideousness of these organized religions

    Take a snapshot of what religion is doing to us the world over
    not to mention for the eons that man has existed
    it's killed more people in the name of some supposed big man in the sky than anything plague or any illness
    It's time to call a spade a spade
    and religion ... whatever kind it is has absolutely no intrinsic value
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    Nov 29, 2008 7:40 PM GMT
    All you say is true. But none of those arguments will fly in US courts, nor will US legislators dare oppose a major church group. We can wake up all you like, but nothing can be done. These major religious groups are effectively immune from oversight and control by the civil government in the US.

    They also are glad to blur the line between church & state when the born-again Bush offers them millions in Faith Based Initiatives taxpayer money, or when they engage in political activities, but will claim Constitutional protections against any kind of government review. They are becoming as arrogantly independent as the medieval Church of a thousand years ago, and seek governmental influence as great as they had then.
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    Nov 29, 2008 10:38 PM GMT
    If attention is called to it everytimne its done eventually things will change
    I think people were very surprised how involved the Mormons were in all of this and most people didn't like it

    That's why the Mormons are being VERY quiet now
    Haven't you noticed?
    They know they had their hands in the cookie jar so to speak
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    Nov 29, 2008 10:55 PM GMT
    GQjock saidIf attention is called to it everytimne its done eventually things will change
    I think people were very surprised how involved the Mormons were in all of this and most people didn't like it

    That's why the Mormons are being VERY quiet now
    Haven't you noticed?
    They know they had their hands in the cookie jar so to speak


    I'm not so sure. "Most people" who were there in California as voters went along with them, and by election day the Mormon involvement was well known, a big story in itself. If the Mormons are quiet now it's to make this issue go away quickly, so they can do this again somewhere else when they want. I think they've tasted blood -- our blood.
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    Nov 30, 2008 1:24 AM GMT
    I think this was the last sucker punch from a church. The days of gay discrimination are numbered. This is the last gasp and it wont stand in the courts. They wasted their $20 million.
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    Nov 30, 2008 1:28 AM GMT
    GQjock saidIt was plain as day ...
    The LDS Church poured money into this proposition
    and its time we wake up in this country and get ourselves out from under the hideousness of these organized religions

    Take a snapshot of what religion is doing to us the world over
    not to mention for the eons that man has existed
    it's killed more people in the name of some supposed big man in the sky than anything plague or any illness
    It's time to call a spade a spade
    and religion ... whatever kind it is has absolutely no intrinsic value
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I could not agree more !!!! the damage done on this earth in the name of religion is astounding, when all sources of trouble/wars are closely considered, you can put religion in the middle of about 90 percent of all conflicts. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Red- Vespa makes a good point that it will be hard to get to the mormons as with the catholics, but you have to admit that 30 years ago, exposing their abuse of children at the hands of priests would have been unheard of. Times they are a changing, look at the slap in the face we progressive voters gave the fundamentalist christion efforts to get mcpalin in office to forward their religious dogma on our nation. Time will gradually turn some of this around, lets hope it keeps going in that direction anyways.
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    Nov 30, 2008 7:37 AM GMT
    If the Mormons are quiet now it's to make this issue go away quickly, so they can do this again somewhere else when they want. I think they've tasted blood -- our blood.

    Yes... you're right there Red
    They are quiet now so that the issue hopefully to them will go away
    but not because they tasted our blood ... they've had that so many times before it's gotta be ho-hum by now
    They were shocked by the backlash and they are afraid of what the court's going to do
    you're gonna hear an awful lot about activist judges in the next few years