Dr. Arjun Srinivasan: We’ve Reached “The End of Antibiotics, Period”

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    Oct 23, 2013 7:29 PM GMT
    Yikes.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/health-science-technology/hunting-the-nightmare-bacteria/dr-arjun-srinivasan-weve-reached-the-end-of-antibiotics-period/
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    Oct 23, 2013 11:05 PM GMT
    They usually say to make sure the Anti-Biotic course is done from beginning to end without interruption so as to avoid the bacteria, virus, plasmodium or parasite (or any other pathogen)from gaining resistance. What he's saying is true, but with vigilance and quick response time, it is quite easy to remove harmful bacteria and what have you from the body without it mutating to something else. Those that do mutate are the rarity and can be destroyed if dealt with expediently. It's when it gets out of hand does it become a real issue.

    Also, if people would get immunised then our bodies can naturally resist rather than getting pumped up with drugs. But so many in the modern world have this weird phobia of vaccinations. My cousin's son will not be getting the MMR vaccination because they believe the debunked lie that it causes Autism. So my cousin's son may get an illness that could kill him where it could be avoided. People who are vaccinated do not kill the illness. They simply carry it without any effect. That's the point of the vaccination.

    So if people get vaccinated and if the worst should happen and Anti-Biotics are needed, then it must be dealt with quickly and with consistency.

    This is a layman's view on the matter icon_razz.gif
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    Oct 23, 2013 11:21 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidThey usually say to make sure the Anti-Biotic course is done from beginning to end without interruption so as to avoid the bacteria, virus, plasmodium or parasite (or any other pathogen)from gaining resistance. What he's saying is true, but with vigilance and quick response time, it is quite easy to remove harmful bacteria and what have you from the body without it mutating to something else. Those that do mutate are the rarity and can be destroyed if dealt with expediently. It's when it gets out of hand does it become a real issue.

    Also, if people would get immunised then our bodies can naturally resist rather than getting pumped up with drugs. But so many in the modern world have this weird phobia of vaccinations. My cousin's son will not be getting the MMR vaccination because they believe the debunked lie that it causes Autism. So my cousin's son may get an illness that could kill him where it could be avoided. People who are vaccinated do not kill the illness. They simply carry it without any effect. That's the point of the vaccination.

    So if people get vaccinated and if the worst should happen and Anti-Biotics are needed, then it must be dealt with quickly and with consistency.

    This is a layman's view on the matter icon_razz.gif


    sorry dude but antibiotics only kill bacteria, not viral or fungal infections. antibiotics are just rat poison for bacteria and the bacteria are becoming resistant to the poison because of overusage

    vaccines only deal with virus, so they have no effect on bacteria or fungus
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    Oct 23, 2013 11:25 PM GMT
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    Oct 23, 2013 11:27 PM GMT
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    PolitiNerd saidThey usually say to make sure the Anti-Biotic course is done from beginning to end without interruption so as to avoid the bacteria, virus, plasmodium or parasite (or any other pathogen)from gaining resistance. What he's saying is true, but with vigilance and quick response time, it is quite easy to remove harmful bacteria and what have you from the body without it mutating to something else. Those that do mutate are the rarity and can be destroyed if dealt with expediently. It's when it gets out of hand does it become a real issue.

    Also, if people would get immunised then our bodies can naturally resist rather than getting pumped up with drugs. But so many in the modern world have this weird phobia of vaccinations. My cousin's son will not be getting the MMR vaccination because they believe the debunked lie that it causes Autism. So my cousin's son may get an illness that could kill him where it could be avoided. People who are vaccinated do not kill the illness. They simply carry it without any effect. That's the point of the vaccination.

    So if people get vaccinated and if the worst should happen and Anti-Biotics are needed, then it must be dealt with quickly and with consistency.

    This is a layman's view on the matter icon_razz.gif


    sorry dude but antibiotics only kill bacteria, not viral or fungal infections. antibiotics are just rat poison for bacteria and the bacteria are becoming resistant to the poison because of overusage

    vaccines only deal with virus, so they have no effect on bacteria or fungus


    I stand corrected. I feared I would make a mistake in that tirade icon_razz.gif But really, it's important to do all those things as best as one can just to be prepared. Amirite?
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    Oct 23, 2013 11:43 PM GMT
    it takes decades to develop a new vaccine and antibiotics, the last ones, the fluroquinalones, carbapenem and vancomycin are pretty much tapped out but stil useful
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    Oct 24, 2013 12:09 AM GMT
    somersault said

    sorry dude but antibiotics only kill bacteria, not viral or fungal infections. antibiotics are just rat poison for bacteria and the bacteria are becoming resistant to the poison because of overusage

    vaccines only deal with virus, so they have no effect on bacteria or fungus


    Wrong, but thanks for playing.
    There are anti-fungal antibiotics and technically, antivirals such as reverse-transcriptase inhibitors are also antibiotics. And there are vaccines for bacteria and even protozoa.

    somersault said
    it takes decades to develop a new vaccine and antibiotics, the last ones, the fluroquinalones, carbapenem and vancomycin are pretty much tapped out but stil useful


    Again, not necessarily correct. We spend decades to develop new antibiotics. It doesn't take decades. Much of that time and money is spent wading through bureaucratic red tape (i.e. bribes). Microbes have been using antibiotics and antibiotic-resistance mechanisms for billions of years, and they still work. If you match the rate of antibiotic development to the rate of resistance development, you're golden.

    Take for example, the evolution of phage (viruses) that infect dairy cultures. It happens several times a year in a typical creamery. The milk doesn't ferment because the bacteria die off. So they grab a back-up strain from the freezer, re-inoculate, then send the infected strain back to the lab. UV light, two weeks, bam. New phage-resistant strain. No FDA approvals, no editorials in the newspaper, no hand wringing (except for maybe a bit of spilt milk.)

    Resistance is always gonna happen. Just gotta learn to deal with it instead of wishing that it would go away.
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    Oct 24, 2013 12:21 AM GMT
    there is no such thing as a single antibiotic anti-fungal drug (a molecule that kills both bcteria and fungus)

    if there is, tell me one
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    Oct 24, 2013 1:22 AM GMT
    I never said that there was. But actually there are plenty. e.g. Heliomycin Many of them just happen to also cause harm to Homo sapiens.
    Anyway, many antibiotics don't actually kill bacteria, they just prevent them from growing. Gives your immune system more time to knock 'em off.
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    Oct 24, 2013 1:30 AM GMT
    "Wrong, but thanks for playing.
    There are anti-fungal antibiotics and technically"

    you're an idiot, mycin class are all antibiotics, not antifungals
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    Oct 24, 2013 1:40 AM GMT
    somersault said"Wrong, but thanks for playing.
    There are anti-fungal antibiotics and technically"

    you're an idiot, mycin class are all antibiotics, not antifungals



    Why are you always the first person to call someone a name? You're discussing antibiotics for God's sake. Is it really necessary to call someone an "idiot" just because you disagree?
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    Oct 24, 2013 1:47 AM GMT
    ^^

    because he contradicts himself and tries to cover it up to try to sound like he knows what he's talking about - he's wrong. At least I admit when I'm wrong
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    Oct 24, 2013 2:06 AM GMT
    I have not contradicted myself. You do not appear to understand the words that you are using.

    And clearly you do not admit when you are wrong. I only responded here because you were spreading mis-information about health matters.
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    Oct 24, 2013 2:31 AM GMT
    ^^
    you're sadly mistaken

    anti-fungal antibiotics ah hahhaahahahha

    no such thing

    mycins do not kill fungi, antibiotics do not kill, suppress or do anything to a virus

    antibiotics ONLY kill BACTERIA - period, end of story
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    Oct 24, 2013 3:32 AM GMT
    It would be great if folks posting here could see the Frontline episode aired last night.
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    Oct 24, 2013 3:52 AM GMT
    Antibiotics are chemotherapeutic agents that inhibit or kill microorganisms. It is a general term. Antibacterials, antifungals, antivirals, etc. are sub-classes of antibiotics. You know, just in case they've started teaching kids some weird slang usage or something, I checked half a dozen current microbiology textbooks. (Publishers keep sending them to me every year - they won't stop.) None of them use "antibiotic" as an exclusive synonym for "antibacterial." Oddly, Ingraham & Ingraham don't even use the word - they always say "antimicrobial."

    It sounds like the same sort of lazy usage of people who think that "pesticide" means only "insecticide."

    "Mycin" is just a suffix often used to non-exclusively denote metabolites excreted by actinomycete bacteria. It is not really a noun - except slang usage. And actinomycetes do produce plenty of antifungal compounds. It's not hard to find some with the "mycin" suffix. E.g. collismycin, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11413818, Natamycin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natamycin, heck, some they're just calling "antifungalmycin" http://aem.asm.org/content/78/2/589.full.pdf

    And what about your ridiculous claim that there are no vaccines against bacteria? Some of them have been around since the 19th century. As soon as bacteria could be isolated, Koch and Pasteur started making vaccines against them (Cholera, Anthrax). What do you think the DPT shot that kids get is for? Diptheria, Pertussis, and Tetanus - all bacterial diseases.
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    Oct 24, 2013 4:23 AM GMT
    i'm wrong about vaccines

    there is still no single molecule that works on bacteria and fungi simultaneously
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    Oct 24, 2013 4:44 AM GMT
    Anocxu saidIt would be great if folks posting here could see the Frontline episode aired last night.


    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hunting-the-nightmare-bacteria/