Now She Tells Us: Sebelius Says Obamacare's Exchange Website Needed Six Years of Development, Instead Of Two

  • musclmed

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    Oct 23, 2013 10:23 PM GMT
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/23/now-she-tells-us-sebelius-says-obamacares-exchange-website-needed-six-years-of-development-instead-of-two/
  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 23, 2013 10:47 PM GMT
    It's kind of like our Labor. In the last government, our worst Treasurer, Wayne Swan promised surpluses over 200 times for 5 years. NONE of which had a surplus. Just growing debt and deficit.

    His defence to the Coalition's opposition? "They're just talking down the economy!"

    Not only does that make no sense whatsoever, as the economy can't have its feelings hurt since it doesn't have any, it was consistent and blatant stupidity, where Labor believed that they could lie and evade about every single blunder they made and still believe that the Australian public would prefer them.

    It's so similar to what's happening in America. The Democrats are relying on demonising the Republicans and making them look as evil as possible to win elections. It becomes a game of trying to survive today rather than actually give an indication of what is to come. Not to say the opposition is always pure and immaculate, but the government should have a plan to bloody govern. From what I can see in America, and in regards to what has happened here in Australia, Left wing governments, specifically these ones, don't care about what they do. They only care about having as much power as possible. I really don't understand this though; if you want power, you should have something to have influence over. If you frustrate the people, they're going to vote you out. That's exactly what happened to Labor. If America was more similar to Australia, I would predict that the Democrats would have a huge swing against them, but because of the voting system there, anyone can win with equal chance.

    And to those who might think to say that Wayne Swan was the best Treasurer Australia ever had; those who said are idiots who do not know what they're talking about. How do I know, you ask? Racking up debt to 370 000 000 000 dollars is not being a good Treasurer. Deficits each consecutive year after promising surpluses is not being a good Treasurer.

    PS: Yes, I know Australia's debt is not as big as America's. That is not the point. Do not try the argument where you accuse me of complaining unjustifiably.

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  • HottJoe

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    Oct 23, 2013 11:01 PM GMT
    According to the latest polls, support is growing for the new health care law, despite glitches in the site. Meanwhile, the ship is sinking for the GOP!!! hahaha! After the website is up to speed, they'll just have to find something else to complain about. GLWT icon_rolleyes.gificon_lol.gif
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 23, 2013 11:02 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd saidIt's kind of like our Labor. In the last government, our worst Treasurer, Wayne Swan promised surpluses over 200 times for 5 years. NONE of which had a surplus. Just growing debt and deficit.

    His defence to the Coalition's opposition? "They're just talking down the economy!"

    Not only does that make no sense whatsoever, as the economy can't have its feelings hurt since it doesn't have any, it was consistent and blatant stupidity, where Labor believed that they could lie and evade about every single blunder they made and still believe that the Australian public would prefer them.

    It's so similar to what's happening in America. The Democrats are relying on demonising the Republicans and making them look as evil as possible to win elections. It becomes a game of trying to survive today rather than actually give an indication of what is to come. Not to say the opposition is always pure and immaculate, but the government should have a plan to bloody govern. From what I can see in America, and in regards to what has happened here in Australia, Left wing governments, specifically these ones, don't care about what they do. They only care about having as much power as possible. I really don't understand this though; if you want power, you should have something to have influence over. If you frustrate the people, they're going to vote you out. That's exactly what happened to Labor. If America was more similar to Australia, I would predict that the Democrats would have a huge swing against them, but because of the voting system there, anyone can win with equal chance.

    And to those who might think to say that Wayne Swan was the best Treasurer Australia ever had; those who said are idiots who do not know what they're talking about. How do I know, you ask? Racking up debt to 370 000 000 000 dollars is not being a good Treasurer. Deficits each consecutive year after promising surpluses is not being a good Treasurer.

    PS: Yes, I know Australia's debt is not as big as America's. That is not the point. Do not try the argument where you accuse me of complaining unjustifiably.

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  • PolitiMAC

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    Oct 23, 2013 11:09 PM GMT
    HottJoe said

    Girl, what are you going on about???icon_eek.gif

    I was commenting on how the American government is hell bent on trying to get this through when it is demonstrating to not work and they have made shit up to try and demonise their opposition when they had ample reason to question the legislation. I then made the comparison to what happened in Australia where decisions were completely ridiculous and stupid, yet the government repeatedly tried to demonise their opposition unsuccessfully just so they could hang onto their power.

    The Obamacare legislation and the way it is playing out politically is the same thing. Won't work, but they are trying to make it seem it will and the opposition is just stupid (which I'm sure you will always believe regardless of what happens).
  • HottJoe

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    Oct 23, 2013 11:13 PM GMT
    PolitiNerd said
    HottJoe said

    Girl, what are you going on about???icon_eek.gif

    I was commenting on how the American government is hell bent on trying to get this through when it is demonstrating to not work and they have made shit up to try and demonise their opposition when they had ample reason to question the legislation. I then made the comparison to what happened in Australia where decisions were completely ridiculous and stupid, yet the government repeatedly tried to demonise their opposition unsuccessfully just so they could hang onto their power.

    The Obamacare legislation and the way it is playing out politically is the same thing. Won't work, but they are trying to make it seem it will and the opposition is just stupid (which I'm sure you will always believe regardless of what happens).

    Just because a website has a few glitches you think the healthcare program won't work???

    That's called grasping at straws.
  • musclmed

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    Oct 24, 2013 2:38 AM GMT
    Well if you count the poll that really matters is the # that has signed up, which is dismal.


    Something can be popular as a concept. But the concept has no relation to what is seen in real life. If someone looses there insurance because of the insurance mandate limit and then cannot sign on or finds it prohibitive economically ( via deductible or premium price) they are WORSE OFF..

    It is a matter of information. And some people theoretically will benefit. But only if the exchange works and younger people guarantee the lower premiums of the older sicker people. If this does not occur , you will just have a death spiral of high prices and low participation in the plan.


    Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), who is up for re-election in 2014, wrote to Obama on Tuesday and asked him to delay the enrollment deadline for the individual mandate. “Given the existing problems with the website, I urge you to consider extending open enrollment beyond the current end date of March 31, 2014,” Shaheen wrote to the president. "Allowing extra time for consumers is critically important so they have the opportunity to become familiar with the website, survey their options and enroll.”

    On Wednesday, Sen. Mark Pryor (D-AR), who is facing a tough challenge in his 2014 re-election against Rep. Tom Cotton (R-AR), came out in support of Shaheen’s call for a delay of the individual mandate’s enrollment deadline. Pryor had previously been on record as supportive of the mandate as is.
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    Oct 24, 2013 2:54 AM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Just because a website has a few glitches you think the healthcare program won't work???

    That's called grasping at straws.


    Correct it won't work.

    The sick will sign up (or at least try), but young people (like you) who have limited financial resources will not and instead pay the $95 "tax" which will leave the insurance companies overweighted with those needing health care.

    Because of this, insurance companies will have to raise everyone's premiums and deductibles even more, driving even more people off the rolls of the insured.

    This will destroy the insurance companies.

    Also, musclemed, isn't it ironic that the Democrats shut down the government because of their insistence that the Republican request for a 1 year delay in the mandate was "crazy" and today, Democrats are calling for.... a 1 year delay in the mandate!

    But most of the public won't remember it was the evil, mean, greedy Republicans that originally asked for the delay way way back 2 weeks ago!
  • musclmed

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    Oct 24, 2013 3:25 AM GMT
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    HottJoe said


    But most of the public won't remember it was the evil, mean, greedy Republicans that originally asked for the delay way way back 2 weeks ago!



    The law is going to stay in effect. And it will be amended at great expense to the political capital of the democratic party.
    Harry Reid is on record now saying it CANNOT be repealed or amended via budget reconciliation. Even though it was passed that way. He rejected it being amended in the last budget/ government shutdown.

    The Government shutdown and nothing bad happened. There was ample opportunity for a deal to be made. So its going to take the democratic caucus to fix this.

    Finally the ACA rollout failing has set back the concept of activist government for quite some time. With estimates of 70-150k total people enrolled in over 3 weeks.

    Industry analysts point to how the website lumps people only into two broad categories: "49 or under" and "50 or older."
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57608843/healthcare.gov-pricing-feature-can-be-off-the-mark/




    Are some of those people signed up based on faulty numbers. It lumps 20-49 year old shoppers in the same category.
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    Oct 24, 2013 8:38 AM GMT
    Sebelius is obviously a worthless bureaucrat from a connected family. What a shame this country has to put up with this crap on both sides.

    No doubt she should be canned