Senator Proposes Law: 'If You Like Your Health Plan, You Can Keep It Act'

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    Oct 25, 2013 10:36 PM GMT
    Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin will propose a new law next week called: "If You Like Your Health Plan, You Can Keep It Act."

    "One of the most important promises made by President Obama and Democrat congressional leadership to promote the Affordable Care Act was that Americans who were satisfied with their health plans could keep them. That promise has been broken. More than a million Americans have been notified that the plans they like with the coverage they have chosen have been canceled. Millions more Americans will have the plans of their choice canceled in months to come," says Senator Johnson in a statement.

    "Americans want the freedom to choose their own plans and want to be in control of their own health care. They don't want Obamacare destroying what they have and what they like. They don't want their personal choices regarding their health plans and their families’ health plans canceled by Obamacare.

    "The 'If You Like Your Health Plan, You Can Keep It Act' will amend the law to make Obamacare live up to the promises of the politicians who sold the plan to the American public. I will file the bill in the coming week and hope to garner support from fellow Senators of both parties who truly want to make sure President Obama honors his promise that every American has the freedom to keep his or her own health care plan."


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  • Chainers

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    Oct 25, 2013 10:40 PM GMT
    Just curious...but don't you have a job?
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    Oct 25, 2013 10:54 PM GMT
    Chainers saidJust curious...but don't you have a job?

    Well, at 56 he could have retired early, and disabled, as I did. And it certainly agrees with him - have you seen his profile pic? Youngest-looking 56-year-old on this site! And he carries his 5'8", 185-pound frame very well, don't you think?
  • tazzari

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    Oct 26, 2013 12:03 AM GMT
    The great thing would be if Republicans would work with the citizens of this country to make the law work, not snipe away or cost us billions by blocking it.

    I have yet to hear of a better idea from their side, while universal health care is one of those fundamental causes that real patriots would stand up for - and try to fix.
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    Oct 26, 2013 12:12 AM GMT
    tazzari saidThe great thing would be if Republicans would work with the citizens of this country to make the law work, not snipe away or cost us billions by blocking it.

    I have yet to hear of a better idea from their side, while universal health care is one of those fundamental causes that real patriots would stand up for - and try to fix.


    Thanks for at least somewhat addressing the topic, as opposed to the other 2 empty headed comments asking about my employment history.

    Here's a good plan: Go back to the way it was before Obamacare. Then, the 80%+ who had insurance and were happy with it could keep it, instead of seeing their plans cancelled and replaced with plans that cost twice as much.

    That would be a great start.
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    Oct 26, 2013 12:52 AM GMT


    Thanks for at least somewhat addressing the topic, as opposed to the other 2 empty headed comments asking about my employment history.

    Here's a good plan: Go back to the way it was before Obamacare. Then, the 80%+ who had insurance and were happy with it could keep it, instead of seeing their plans cancelled and replaced with plans that cost twice as much.

    That would be a great start.
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    Go back to 40-45 million uninsured Americans? To ever-spiraling insurance costs? To a state where people I know cannot aford any health care?

    No - some kind of national, universal health care program is needed. It's the only moral way to address the health of ALL of the nation. After all, a healthy nation is more productive, and in the end, cheaper.

    The current law is a start. It needs tinkering, enlarging, streamlining - all of that, for sure. So let's work together to improve it - not revert to the inefficient, immoral, dysfunctional system we've suffered under so long.
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    Oct 26, 2013 1:26 AM GMT

    tazzari said
    HairyPits said

    Thanks for at least somewhat addressing the topic, as opposed to the other 2 empty headed comments asking about my employment history.

    Here's a good plan: Go back to the way it was before Obamacare. Then, the 80%+ who had insurance and were happy with it could keep it, instead of seeing their plans cancelled and replaced with plans that cost twice as much.

    That would be a great start.



    Go back to 40-45 million uninsured Americans? To ever-spiraling insurance costs? To a state where people I know cannot aford any health care?

    No - some kind of national, universal health care program is needed. It's the only moral way to address the health of ALL of the nation. After all, a healthy nation is more productive, and in the end, cheaper.

    The current law is a start. It needs tinkering, enlarging, streamlining - all of that, for sure. So let's work together to improve it - not revert to the inefficient, immoral, dysfunctional system we've suffered under so long.



    1) The 40 to 45 million number greatly overstates the reality.

    2) Health insurance in the Obamacare era is priced significantly higher than last year.

    3) When you say, "It's the only moral way to address the health of ALL of the nation" that tells me that further discussion on this issue with you is unlikely to yield any results. The "only moral way" huh? Not by a long shot.

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    Oct 26, 2013 3:08 AM GMT
    I am one of those people who received a letter saying my current plan will end December 31, 2013 because of the new Health Care rules. It was supposed to continue until October 2014. I've tried to work with healthcare.gov for three weeks, to no avail. Time is ticking.

    I hope this bill gains steam. I voted for Obama twice, but this is so wrong to go back on that big promise.
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    Oct 26, 2013 1:34 PM GMT
    The only thing that matters to the left is the intention of the law, whether it actually works or not is incidental. Anyone opposed to the law is automatically condemned as opposed to the intention, and dismissed as greedy and heartless.
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    Oct 26, 2013 1:39 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidI am one of those people who received a letter saying my current plan will end December 31, 2013 because of the new Health Care rules. It was supposed to continue until October 2014. I've tried to work with healthcare.gov for three weeks, to no avail. Time is ticking.

    I hope this bill gains steam. I voted for Obama twice, but this is so wrong to go back on that big promise.


    As a conservative I was shocked but interested in seeing your post on this topic. I know you support the president and its good to see you don't toe the party line that everything is fine and all will be well. Truth is its not fine and I am just as concerned with my health care as any other American should be. Its up to young Americans to make this HCA work and none of my friends, democrat or republican alike are for it. There is a way both sides can agree on universal healthcare. But untill we get the progressive dems and far right reps out of the way, nothing will take place except for the failure of our country
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    Oct 26, 2013 2:09 PM GMT
    3) When you say, "It's the only moral way to address the health of ALL of the nation" that tells me that further discussion on this issue with you is unlikely to yield any results. The "only moral way" huh? Not by a long shot.

    A brilliant display of right-wing inflexibility and arrogance - and a demonstration of just why health care may continue to fail.

    Rather than this sort of 3rd Grade "I'm not going to talk to you" - perhaps a hint of some better way to address the issue? or what you believe would be a more moral approach?

    But therein lies the problem: the right wing isn't interested in anyone else's ideas, isn't interested in working something out that both parties can live with. Popper predicted the fall of one-party systems in "The Open Society and its Enemies," and you provide a brilliant example of the intransigence he refers to.
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    Oct 26, 2013 2:45 PM GMT
    tazzari said3) When you say, "It's the only moral way to address the health of ALL of the nation" that tells me that further discussion on this issue with you is unlikely to yield any results. The "only moral way" huh? Not by a long shot.

    A brilliant display of right-wing inflexibility and arrogance - and a demonstration of just why health care may continue to fail.

    Rather than this sort of 3rd Grade "I'm not going to talk to you" - perhaps a hint of some better way to address the issue? or what you believe would be a more moral approach?

    But therein lies the problem: the right wing isn't interested in anyone else's ideas, isn't interested in working something out that both parties can live with. Popper predicted the fall of one-party systems in "The Open Society and its Enemies," and you provide a brilliant example of the intransigence he refers to.


    You forget to realize that it was the Democrat majority that crammed this sandwich down our countries throat without so ever trying to have a debate about it. It is the President who refuses to listen to any suggestions or solutions to healthcare. Its his way or no way, even if the American people hate it. When he was elected he was hell bent on making this country government dependant and he is well on his way to doing so.
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    Oct 26, 2013 3:02 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    tazzari said3) When you say, "It's the only moral way to address the health of ALL of the nation" that tells me that further discussion on this issue with you is unlikely to yield any results. The "only moral way" huh? Not by a long shot.

    A brilliant display of right-wing inflexibility and arrogance - and a demonstration of just why health care may continue to fail.

    Rather than this sort of 3rd Grade "I'm not going to talk to you" - perhaps a hint of some better way to address the issue? or what you believe would be a more moral approach?

    But therein lies the problem: the right wing isn't interested in anyone else's ideas, isn't interested in working something out that both parties can live with. Popper predicted the fall of one-party systems in "The Open Society and its Enemies," and you provide a brilliant example of the intransigence he refers to.


    You forget to realize that it was the Democrat majority that crammed this sandwich down our countries throat without so ever trying to have a debate about it. It is the President who refuses to listen to any suggestions or solutions to healthcare. Its his way or no way, even if the American people hate it. When he was elected he was hell bent on making this country government dependant and he is well on his way to doing so.
    The US has been largely dependent on government for most of its history. If anything went wrong regardless of its severity, it is always the government that was looked to in order to solve the problems or bail us out of disastrous or troubling situations. All this talk about Americans being self reliant, rugged, and independent is all hyperbole. Whether you live in an inner city, a sprawling suburb, or a very remote rural area, if anything went bad the typical American response was to cry to the government for help which has been an everlasting source of our dependency.
  • The_Guruburu

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    Oct 26, 2013 3:08 PM GMT
    jock_1 said
    wrestlervic saidI am one of those people who received a letter saying my current plan will end December 31, 2013 because of the new Health Care rules. It was supposed to continue until October 2014. I've tried to work with healthcare.gov for three weeks, to no avail. Time is ticking.

    I hope this bill gains steam. I voted for Obama twice, but this is so wrong to go back on that big promise.


    As a conservative I was shocked but interested in seeing your post on this topic. I know you support the president and its good to see you don't toe the party line that everything is fine and all will be well. Truth is its not fine and I am just as concerned with my health care as any other American should be. Its up to young Americans to make this HCA work and none of my friends, democrat or republican alike are for it. There is a way both sides can agree on universal healthcare. But untill we get the progressive dems and far right reps out of the way, nothing will take place except for the failure of our country


    What country are you talking about? I'm pretty sure in the US one side believes universal healthcare is the sign of a communist socialist fascist muslin cloth terrorist take-over.
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    Oct 26, 2013 8:16 PM GMT
    socalfitness saidI don't see how that law could work without removing or significantly changing Obamacare. You can't pass a law forcing a company to provide a service that loses them money.


    There is talk that some of the current plans can be grandfathered in until next cycle. At least give us a year on what we have. The president did say, "if you like what you have, you won't lose it."

    The insurance companies should have immediately told congress that they could not keep plans "as is" if it were a problem with the new rules. They didn't.