Conspiracy theories : HIV

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    Oct 26, 2013 8:52 PM GMT
    Has anyone got any info on the theory that there actually IS a cure for HIV but the drug companies are keeping it suppressed? I've heard this for years and want to know what the premise is.
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    Oct 26, 2013 9:09 PM GMT
    Well, there's a conspiracy for all ailments/diseases. Cancer, mainly. It's more profitable to treat a disease, then to cure it.

    Another conspiracy is that HIV was created by secret government agencies to kill off gays and ethnic minorities.
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    Oct 26, 2013 9:12 PM GMT
    Well,

    They were very lax in taking it seriously when it first emerged .
    It took a lot to get treatments in place ...
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    Oct 26, 2013 9:18 PM GMT
    xrichx saidWell, there's a conspiracy for all ailments/diseases. Cancer, mainly. It's more profitable to treat a disease, then to cure it.

    I'm not one of those pseudo-science Dr. Mercola types, but you make a great point. The medical-industrial complex wouldn't be such an "industrial complex" if a cure for every major ailment, such as cancer, HIV/AIDS, autism, and so forth, was found tomorrow.
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    Oct 26, 2013 9:54 PM GMT
    The flip side is that it's generally pretty hard to keep things hidden for very long. Many have tried but they've almost all failed.

    What's also odd to me is how there is a definite percentage of the population that gravitates towards non-rational thinking and conspiracy theories. Some people just love conspiracy theories.
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    Oct 26, 2013 9:58 PM GMT
    Lumpyoatmeal saidThe flip side is that it's generally pretty hard to keep things hidden for very long. Many have tried but they've almost all failed.

    What's also odd to me is how there is a definite percentage of the population that gravitates towards non-rational thinking and conspiracy theories. Some people just love conspiracy theories.

    Unless Snowden leaked the wrong files.icon_confused.gif
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    Oct 26, 2013 10:22 PM GMT
    HottJoe said
    Lumpyoatmeal saidThe flip side is that it's generally pretty hard to keep things hidden for very long. Many have tried but they've almost all failed.

    What's also odd to me is how there is a definite percentage of the population that gravitates towards non-rational thinking and conspiracy theories. Some people just love conspiracy theories.

    Unless Snowden leaked the wrong files.icon_confused.gif


    There is rumor that the whole Edward Snowden thing is really just an "NSA" ruse to draw attention to what is really a "non-existent NSA". There is really some super-secret conspiracy between the Trilateral Commision, the Knights Templar, the Vatican, and Skull & Bones to make us fear a "New World Order" when in fact it is REALLY the "Old World Order" that is underhandedly taking over the world!
























    P.S. There are "aliens" involved. And, not the "illegal immigrant" kind.

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    Oct 26, 2013 10:34 PM GMT
    thebearerofbadnews saiddid they find jimmy hoffa's remains yet?

    Heh. Notice that I said "generally," not "always."

    The Mafia knows how to keep secrets. After they got rid of Hoffa's body I'll be there was only one person who knew where it was, the top person who ordered it; everyone else involved no doubt got a bullet through the head.
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    Oct 27, 2013 4:42 AM GMT
    It's not just for HIV. There are theories for all sorts of diseases like Cancer as well. When you think about it...if we have the technology to clone animals, body parts etc., you would think we'd have cures for all these things by now. The pharmaceutical industry is an extremely lucrative one. So, I wouldn't be surprised.
  • AMoonHawk

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    Oct 27, 2013 5:03 AM GMT
    There is no cure because the virus is constantly mutating. And the virus gets into the lyphnodes which there are no drugs that can penetrate those areas.
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    Oct 27, 2013 5:04 AM GMT
    hellass saidIt's not just for HIV. There are theories for all sorts of diseases like Cancer as well. When you think about it...if we have the technology to clone animals, body parts etc., you would think we'd have cures for all these things by now. The pharmaceutical industry is an extremely lucrative one. So, I wouldn't be surprised.

    If there were cures, the rich wouldn't die.
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    Oct 27, 2013 5:15 AM GMT
    I don't want to be banned but I will just mention a few things and won't say anything further.

    While I am aware of the so-called positive status of a member in this thread, but who has me on ignore, he should do multiple tests...as they are known for false positives... And to think they want to test everyone, as increases in the African American community for example only increased with outreach testing, and false positives are included in that, than African Americans become actual rising cases of HIV...

    And this is what the discover of HIV has to state about HIV, and who won the 2008 Nobel Prize for it, but is generally seen as a nutjob these days.


    It literally does take 1 in 500 exposures to persons with HIV in the West, if it is an actual retrovirus, to have HIV, or in other words it's likely a naturally occurring retrovirus that may not even cause the symptoms or diseases associated with AIDS with an outrageous latency period of decades to manifest the diseases or cancers associated with AIDS without any drugs (or in other words is HIV to blame when something else causes the 30 or so diseases or cancers often associated with AIDS).

    And these are HIV transmission rates by incidence by way of a simple Wikipedia search, and whose references are known to everyone in the know, so it's very much valid to reference irregardless of the source:

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    Kept my views on rape to myself and didn't correct people in that thread, and I guess that's all I'm going to say about HIV for a long while.
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    Oct 27, 2013 5:16 AM GMT
    AMoonHawk said
    hellass saidIt's not just for HIV. There are theories for all sorts of diseases like Cancer as well. When you think about it...if we have the technology to clone animals, body parts etc., you would think we'd have cures for all these things by now. The pharmaceutical industry is an extremely lucrative one. So, I wouldn't be surprised.

    If there were cures, the rich wouldn't die.
    Upon death, their brains are being transplanted into younger/healthier bodies. They perpetually live forever, and keep their wealth forever.
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    Oct 27, 2013 5:39 AM GMT
    Better picture:
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    And people were dropping like flies in the eighties not because Ronald Reagan was a homophobe and failed to initiate federal funding to treat people, but it's likely the treatments that had been going on already, especially overdoses of the cancer drug AZT, were likely to induce the the symptoms and diseases associated with AIDS in people, instead of this retrovirus they call HIV.
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    Oct 27, 2013 5:43 AM GMT
    That occurred with penicillin trials and other first line antibiotics, 10% of recipients died... And much could be said about the lack of immunity of Native Americans for example to account for a 90 plus percent death rate from the European introduced small pox, but I have a suspicion it was their treatments of the disease instead, and not just the disease itself, that caused such a massive loss of life. A large percentage of any given exposed population can die from smallpox but a larger percentage end up surviving, and not dying off to the extent of Native Americans, so it could suggest other things were involved...
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    Oct 27, 2013 6:20 AM GMT
    When one of these conspiracy theories is in a field that you know about you'll get a good laugh listening to the people claiming it's a conspiracy. They'll use lots of technology mumbo jumbo terminology but it's obvious that they're just spewing a bunch of stuff and they truly don't understand what they're talking about. If you research their backgrounds you'll find that they're not an expert in the field, and you'd be lucky if they're even a novice in the field.
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    Oct 27, 2013 6:23 AM GMT
    xrichx saidUpon death, their brains are being transplanted into younger/healthier bodies. They perpetually live forever, and keep their wealth forever.

    Yes. And I've told them that for the next one I want a guy with a dick that's no less than 8 inches.
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    Oct 27, 2013 6:54 AM GMT
    xrichx said
    AMoonHawk said
    hellass saidIt's not just for HIV. There are theories for all sorts of diseases like Cancer as well. When you think about it...if we have the technology to clone animals, body parts etc., you would think we'd have cures for all these things by now. The pharmaceutical industry is an extremely lucrative one. So, I wouldn't be surprised.

    If there were cures, the rich wouldn't die.
    Upon death, their brains are being transplanted into younger/healthier bodies. They perpetually live forever, and keep their wealth forever.

    LOL like this world is worth living in forever ... Well then more power to them
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    Oct 27, 2013 1:41 PM GMT
    I find conspiracy theories to be exhilarating. But the people who so heavily believe in them scare me.
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    Oct 27, 2013 1:42 PM GMT
    I think the actual cure is us humans, we must be the agent for change. Meaning, if you are Negative, remain negative. Always use protection if you can't resist having multiple partners, get tested regularly. Help out with education in your community.

    If you are positive, have the conscience to ensure you are protecting the person you are engaging in sex with.

    What's happening now is that bareback sex is so prominent in porn even from major studios, so we are taking a step back a bit.

    Whats strange is, HIV/AIDS has been around for over 30 years and even when we became aware of how it is spread, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years after the disease even in the most developed, 1st world countries, the disease still spreads.

    The idea that HIV is now a walk in the park is part of the problem, it maybe chronic disease, but it still is deadly.
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    Oct 27, 2013 2:22 PM GMT
    PaulDee saidI think the actual cure is us humans, we must be the agent for change. Meaning, if you are Negative, remain negative. Always use protection if you can't resist having multiple partners, get tested regularly. Help out with education in your community.

    If you are positive, have the conscience to ensure you are protecting the person you are engaging in sex with.

    What's happening now is that bareback sex is so prominent in porn even from major studios, so we are taking a step back a bit.

    Whats strange is, HIV/AIDS has been around for over 30 years and even when we became aware of how it is spread, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years after the disease even in the most developed, 1st world countries, the disease still spreads.

    The idea that HIV is now a walk in the park is part of the problem, it maybe chronic disease, but it still is deadly.


    I always thought of porn as being an escape or fantasy for people. Seeing guys who one would never be with doing the things they'd never do... experiencing it vicariously through the video. I didn't know people used it as a guide.
  • bischero

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    Oct 27, 2013 2:42 PM GMT
    No, there is no "cure" for HIV/AIDS just lurking about the shadows of the CDC or anywhere else for that matter.

    We've come a long way in treatment of HIV/prevention - and that's the current goal. HIV will most likely never be fully eliminated. We want to prevent the transmission of the disease so that in the next 3-4 generations, the risk of contracting the disease is almost next to none.

    HIV is a retrovirus, which makes it incredibly difficult to develop a vaccine for.
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    Oct 27, 2013 4:02 PM GMT
    Myol said
    PaulDee saidI think the actual cure is us humans, we must be the agent for change. Meaning, if you are Negative, remain negative. Always use protection if you can't resist having multiple partners, get tested regularly. Help out with education in your community.

    If you are positive, have the conscience to ensure you are protecting the person you are engaging in sex with.

    What's happening now is that bareback sex is so prominent in porn even from major studios, so we are taking a step back a bit.

    Whats strange is, HIV/AIDS has been around for over 30 years and even when we became aware of how it is spread, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years after the disease even in the most developed, 1st world countries, the disease still spreads.

    The idea that HIV is now a walk in the park is part of the problem, it maybe chronic disease, but it still is deadly.


    I always thought of porn as being an escape or fantasy for people. Seeing guys who one would never be with doing the things they'd never do... experiencing it vicariously through the video. I didn't know people used it as a guide.


    You would be surprised, many of the young ones today use it as a "harmless" guide.
  • Torrecon1826

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    Oct 27, 2013 9:18 PM GMT
    Care for people who are sick, ourselves. Hospitals are a nightmare of unwanted force; nurses are nothing what they used to be; so hire caring people, not authorized drug specialists, even if it reduces the 20% medical segment of our economy. Take Fridays off.

    Respect people's wishes, under law. Think about what IT tech help wanted ads imply, about organized force perfection, versus perceiving the simple human condition as unthinkable - to tolerate.

    It would be a miracle if anyone could ever answer the question of what we are subject to as human development ever again. We need to apply more greater spiritual powers as idealism than what we respect to disrespect. Conservatives are heavily committed to paranoia about rights otherwise.
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    Oct 27, 2013 9:32 PM GMT
    It wouldn't surprise me if there was a cure and the drug companies were hiding it. Think about it, why would a drug company cure somebody in a day rather then treat them for the rest of their life?! By treating them rather than curing them the pharmaceutical companies are making a lot more money!