Top-seller Camry loses consumer mag OK after "poor" crash test

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    Oct 28, 2013 8:44 PM GMT
    Consumer Reports... said it will no longer recommend the Camry, Prius v model or RAV4 sport utility vehicle because they received "poor" ratings in a crash test started last year by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/business/top-seller-camry-loses-consumer-mag-ok-after-crash-test-8C11482435
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    Oct 29, 2013 9:59 PM GMT
    leatherblond said
    I'm shocked they always seemed to be a very good model of car, but I guess they must be cutting back on things.

    Like steel, evidently.
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    Oct 29, 2013 11:21 PM GMT
    Going back to the late 1960's I am aware of many examples of products (especially cars and major home appliances) that CR touted that were not good products. I also know that CR slammed a number of great cars that were better in many ways than some of the cars CR recommended. There is a problem and misinformation with some of what CR reports, therefore many people discontinued their subscriptions to CR's books and magazines. I saw some of these problems on the personal level. My father was once a faithful follower of CR. After being increasingly stung buying CR recommended appliances and cars (including refrigerators, freezers, washer/dryer sets and numerous other appliances - not to mention some very troublesome Chrysler, HOnda and Audi products) my parents and their close friends stopped consulting CR.
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    Oct 29, 2013 11:49 PM GMT
    Except, CR did not perform the crash tests, and did not rank the cars. The tests and rankings were done by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. CR pulled its "Recommended" on the 3 Toyotas when they got "Poor" ratings on those crash safety tests.
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    Oct 30, 2013 12:01 AM GMT
    ART_DECO saidExcept, CR did not perform the crash tests, and did not rank the cars. The tests and rankings were done by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. CR pulled its "Recommended" on the 3 Toyotas when they got "Poor" ratings on those crash safety tests.


    Actually, there's a bunch of validity to the new tests. Many real world crashes are like this ... in that you're almost able to miss the car coming at you in your lane ... almost. You still make contact in the far left front corner versus maybe their far left corner. I'd say 'far right', but after all we are on RJ so that wouldn't go over so well.

    However, in right hand drive countries it would be more likely to be far right to far right front corners of the cars. There's not much structure over in the corners.

    You'll see this get rectified quickly.
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    Oct 30, 2013 4:26 AM GMT
    These crash tests are kinda cool. You get to see how certain cars hold up in collisions. But let's be realistic here. The results of these tests are used to calculate your insurance premiums.

    Summary: Don't buy these cars or your insurance premiums will be really high. icon_lol.gif
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    Oct 30, 2013 5:29 AM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidGoing back to the late 1960's I am aware of many examples of products (especially cars and major home appliances) that CR touted that were not good products. I also know that CR slammed a number of great cars that were better in many ways than some of the cars CR recommended. There is a problem and misinformation with some of what CR reports, therefore many people discontinued their subscriptions to CR's books and magazines. I saw some of these problems on the personal level. My father was once a faithful follower of CR. After being increasingly stung buying CR recommended appliances and cars (including refrigerators, freezers, washer/dryer sets and numerous other appliances - not to mention some very troublesome Chrysler, HOnda and Audi products) my parents and their close friends stopped consulting CR.

    I agree, but on the other hand, who else is there? I let my subscription lapse for many years but a few years started it again.

    What I think CR is good for is their repair frequency stats, which comes from all of their subscribers. I look at those for cars and for major appliances.
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    Oct 30, 2013 10:52 PM GMT
    Speaking of CR, I do have a subscription to their website, and I've been recently researching dishwashers because we want something much quieter than our otherwise perfectly functional 1994 Kitchen-Aid. CR seems to think Bosch has the fewest repairs, but the user reviews leave me believing they're really not all that reliable. There's an appliance store in Iowa City that I trust, and I'll probably just go there and see what they recommend, 'cuz the online world just isn't giving me consistent info on dishwashers the way it has with other products I've researched.
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    Oct 31, 2013 3:14 AM GMT
    Funny thing is that everyone has an hobby/obsession. And these days, there seems to be a website/forum for every sort of hobby/obsession.

    If I wanted some feedback on the reliability of a particular car, I'd much rather check a car forum to get some real world experiences from actual owners, rather than from CR.
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    Oct 31, 2013 4:29 AM GMT
    paradox saidSpeaking of CR, I do have a subscription to their website, and I've been recently researching dishwashers because we want something much quieter than our otherwise perfectly functional 1994 Kitchen-Aid. CR seems to think Bosch has the fewest repairs, but the user reviews leave me believing they're really not all that reliable. There's an appliance store in Iowa City that I trust, and I'll probably just go there and see what they recommend, 'cuz the online world just isn't giving me consistent info on dishwashers the way it has with other products I've researched.

    CR consistently shows Whirlpool with fewer repairs so that's what I got. It's very quiet. In its eco mode it uses something like a total of 3 gallons of water, which boggles my mind, and it lets the dishes air dry which I want. I got it from Sears.
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    xrichx saidIf I wanted some feedback on the reliability of a particular car, I'd much rather check a car forum to get some real world experiences from actual owners, rather than from CR.

    But you're going to hear mostly from the unhappy ones, there could be an overwhelming number of happy owners who don't bother using those sites.
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    Oct 31, 2013 5:52 AM GMT
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    xrichx saidIf I wanted some feedback on the reliability of a particular car, I'd much rather check a car forum to get some real world experiences from actual owners, rather than from CR.

    But you're going to hear mostly from the unhappy ones, there could be an overwhelming number of happy owners who don't bother using those sites.


    Aside from the dragstrip results and general opinion/issues/mods that I found on G8board.com and a few other enthusiast forums I also looked at sites such at the below before I bought the car.

    http://autos.msn.com/research/userreviews/reviewlist.aspx?modelid=13106

    I probably would have taken a chance the first year, but I didn't like any of the colors and knew that a dark red metallic was coming the second, but frankly that's the only reason I waited.
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    xrichx saidIf I wanted some feedback on the reliability of a particular car, I'd much rather check a car forum to get some real world experiences from actual owners, rather than from CR.

    But you're going to hear mostly from the unhappy ones, there could be an overwhelming number of happy owners who don't bother using those sites.

    I research a number of sources. CR is good for gathering statistical data on car reliability. I trust their subjective judgment less about how their test drivers think a car "feels" and when they evaluate its ergonomics. Those are more personal decisions I make by driving the car myself, and from knowing what my own practical driving needs, patterns & priorities are.

    I do put a lot of credence in the CR tests of household things like cleaners, for clothes and dishes. They run hundreds of samples, and evaluate them objectively with lab equipment in ways I never could do myself. I do buy the CR top-rated products in those areas.

    Their appliance reliability stats are also important to me, as reported by actual owners. But sometimes I'll disagree with their "Best Buy" recommendation, and go with the more expensive model that has essentially the same excellent working components as the less equipped version, but adds a few features that are more important to me than they were to CR.
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    xrichx saidIf I wanted some feedback on the reliability of a particular car, I'd much rather check a car forum to get some real world experiences from actual owners, rather than from CR.

    But you're going to hear mostly from the unhappy ones, there could be an overwhelming number of happy owners who don't bother using those sites.

    I research a number of sources. CR is good for gathering statistical data on car reliability. I trust their subjective judgment less about how their test drivers think a car "feels" and when they evaluate its ergonomics. Those are more personal decisions I make by driving the car myself, and from knowing what my own practical driving needs, patterns & priorities are.

    I do put a lot of credence in the CR tests of household things like cleaners, for clothes and dishes. They run hundreds of samples, and evaluate them objectively with lab equipment in ways I never could do myself. I do buy the CR top-rated products in those areas.

    Their appliance reliability stats are also important to me, as reported by actual owners. But sometimes I'll disagree with their "Best Buy" recommendation, and go with the more expensive model that has essentially the same excellent working components as the less equipped version, but adds a few features that are more important to me than they were to CR.


    Agree.

    For subjective evaluation, I trust the editors with Car & Driver, Road and Track and Automobile far far more than I would the internet children with sites like GM Inside News who have barely been licensed more than a few years and don't have anywhere near the experience to accurately describe what's important to me.

    Non enthusiast sites such as Consumer Reports are useful for frequency repair, etc., but don't get it when it comes to aspects even more important to one who enjoys driving.
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    xrichx saidFunny thing is that everyone has an hobby/obsession. And these days, there seems to be a website/forum for every sort of hobby/obsession.

    If I wanted some feedback on the reliability of a particular car, I'd much rather check a car forum to get some real world experiences from actual owners, rather than from CR.


    I greatly concur with your answer ..
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    Oct 31, 2013 5:12 PM GMT
    It is always surprising to me to notice how different are the results of those institutes , when it comes to cars .. If you check the rating of the Toyota Camry with LHD in the states and the Camry with the RHD in OZ , you will notice how different the rating is ..
    Now if you think about it , the results of these test are providing a good reason to raise the premium of those cars versus another , so is it only a way for insurance companies to charge higher premiums ?
    In Australia it scored in 2012 a 15.27 on a 16 for offset crash test ...
    Just to be clear , i am not a Camry owner



    This model Toyota Camry Hybrid was introduced in Australia in 2012. This rating is based on ANCAP crash tests of the conventional Camry. Toyota provided technical evidence to ANCAP to show that the crash test results apply to the Camry Hybrid. Dual front airbags, side airbags, head-protecting side curtains and knee airbags are standard equipment. Antilock brakes (ABS), electronic brake distribution (EBD) and electronic stability control (ESC) are also standard. Advanced seat belt reminders are fitted to all seats. Pretensioners are fitted to the front seat belts to reduce slack in the event of a crash.
    5 Stars. The vehicle scored 15.27 out of 16 in the offset crash test. The passenger compartment held its shape well. There was a slight risk of serious leg injury for the driver and passenger. The vehicle scored 16 out of 16 in the side impact crash test and a further two points in the optional pole test.
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    neffa saidIt is always surprising to me to notice how different are the results of those institutes , when it comes to cars .. If you check the rating of the Toyota Camry with LHD in the states and the Camry with the RHD in OZ , you will notice how different the rating is ..
    Now if you think about it , the results of these test are providing a good reason to raise the premium of those cars versus another , so is it only a way for insurance companies to charge higher premiums ?
    In Australia it scored in 2012 a 15.27 on a 16 for offset crash test ...
    Just to be clear , i am not a Camry owner



    This model Toyota Camry Hybrid was introduced in Australia in 2012. This rating is based on ANCAP crash tests of the conventional Camry. Toyota provided technical evidence to ANCAP to show that the crash test results apply to the Camry Hybrid. Dual front airbags, side airbags, head-protecting side curtains and knee airbags are standard equipment. Antilock brakes (ABS), electronic brake distribution (EBD) and electronic stability control (ESC) are also standard. Advanced seat belt reminders are fitted to all seats. Pretensioners are fitted to the front seat belts to reduce slack in the event of a crash.
    5 Stars. The vehicle scored 15.27 out of 16 in the offset crash test. The passenger compartment held its shape well. There was a slight risk of serious leg injury for the driver and passenger. The vehicle scored 16 out of 16 in the side impact crash test and a further two points in the optional pole test.


    "In Australia it scored in 2012 a 15.27 on a 16 for offset crash test ..."

    Designed to the test. The Camry, as most new cars today, does fine in the 50 - 50 offset crash test. It does well in your test as it does in the similar test in the US. The new test is a 25% overlap, which is probably more common in the real world that a 50 - 50 crash.

    The front crash protection doesn't extend over far enough to the front extreme corners of the vehicles. This is true in almost all new cars.

    As I said, you'll see this remedied quickly.
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    xrichx saidIf I wanted some feedback on the reliability of a particular car, I'd much rather check a car forum to get some real world experiences from actual owners, rather than from CR.

    But you're going to hear mostly from the unhappy ones, there could be an overwhelming number of happy owners who don't bother using those sites.

    I research a number of sources. CR is good for gathering statistical data on car reliability. I trust their subjective judgment less about how their test drivers think a car "feels" and when they evaluate its ergonomics. Those are more personal decisions I make by driving the car myself, and from knowing what my own practical driving needs, patterns & priorities are.

    I do put a lot of credence in the CR tests of household things like cleaners, for clothes and dishes. They run hundreds of samples, and evaluate them objectively with lab equipment in ways I never could do myself. I do buy the CR top-rated products in those areas.

    Their appliance reliability stats are also important to me, as reported by actual owners. But sometimes I'll disagree with their "Best Buy" recommendation, and go with the more expensive model that has essentially the same excellent working components as the less equipped version, but adds a few features that are more important to me than they were to CR.

    Exactly.
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    Nov 01, 2013 7:17 PM GMT
    xrichx saidThese crash tests are kinda cool. You get to see how certain cars hold up in collisions. But let's be realistic here. The results of these tests are used to calculate your insurance premiums.

    Summary: Don't buy these cars or your insurance premiums will be really high. icon_lol.gif



    This.
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    Nov 01, 2013 7:22 PM GMT
    paradox saidSpeaking of CR, I do have a subscription to their website, and I've been recently researching dishwashers because we want something much quieter than our otherwise perfectly functional 1994 Kitchen-Aid. CR seems to think Bosch has the fewest repairs, but the user reviews leave me believing they're really not all that reliable. There's an appliance store in Iowa City that I trust, and I'll probably just go there and see what they recommend, 'cuz the online world just isn't giving me consistent info on dishwashers the way it has with other products I've researched.



    Not sure which one is stronger now since I no longer purchase disposable white goods. But from personal experiences, avoid All General Electric, Viking and those LG that are NOT made in South Korea. My current dishwasher is Imported directly from Japan because I got tired of replacing parts that cost more than a new equipment.
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    paradox saidSpeaking of CR, I do have a subscription to their website, and I've been recently researching dishwashers because we want something much quieter than our otherwise perfectly functional 1994 Kitchen-Aid. CR seems to think Bosch has the fewest repairs, but the user reviews leave me believing they're really not all that reliable. There's an appliance store in Iowa City that I trust, and I'll probably just go there and see what they recommend, 'cuz the online world just isn't giving me consistent info on dishwashers the way it has with other products I've researched.



    Not sure which one is stronger now since I no longer purchase disposable white goods. But from personal experiences, avoid All General Electric, Viking and those LG that are NOT made in South Korea. My current dishwasher is Imported directly from Japan because I got tired of replacing parts that cost more than a new equipment.


    Gone are the days when a Gaytag washer or dryer would last 20-30 years.
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    paradox saidSpeaking of CR, I do have a subscription to their website, and I've been recently researching dishwashers because we want something much quieter than our otherwise perfectly functional 1994 Kitchen-Aid. CR seems to think Bosch has the fewest repairs, but the user reviews leave me believing they're really not all that reliable. There's an appliance store in Iowa City that I trust, and I'll probably just go there and see what they recommend, 'cuz the online world just isn't giving me consistent info on dishwashers the way it has with other products I've researched.



    Not sure which one is stronger now since I no longer purchase disposable white goods. But from personal experiences, avoid All General Electric, Viking and those LG that are NOT made in South Korea. My current dishwasher is Imported directly from Japan because I got tired of replacing parts that cost more than a new equipment.


    Gone are the days when a Gaytag washer or dryer would last 20-30 years.


    I know. Just the other day I was conversing with my mom about how things use to last so long that you got tired of them. Things these days are made to past not last.
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    freedomisntfree said
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    paradox saidSpeaking of CR, I do have a subscription to their website, and I've been recently researching dishwashers because we want something much quieter than our otherwise perfectly functional 1994 Kitchen-Aid. CR seems to think Bosch has the fewest repairs, but the user reviews leave me believing they're really not all that reliable. There's an appliance store in Iowa City that I trust, and I'll probably just go there and see what they recommend, 'cuz the online world just isn't giving me consistent info on dishwashers the way it has with other products I've researched.



    Not sure which one is stronger now since I no longer purchase disposable white goods. But from personal experiences, avoid All General Electric, Viking and those LG that are NOT made in South Korea. My current dishwasher is Imported directly from Japan because I got tired of replacing parts that cost more than a new equipment.


    Gone are the days when a Gaytag washer or dryer would last 20-30 years.


    I know. Just the other day I was conversing with my mom about how things use to last so long that you got tired of them. Things these days are made to past not last.


    We had a Gaytag washer and dryer since they built this house in 1965 until about 15 years ago. Since then it's been a new pair about every 3 - 5 years.
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    paradox saidSpeaking of CR, I do have a subscription to their website, and I've been recently researching dishwashers because we want something much quieter than our otherwise perfectly functional 1994 Kitchen-Aid. CR seems to think Bosch has the fewest repairs, but the user reviews leave me believing they're really not all that reliable. There's an appliance store in Iowa City that I trust, and I'll probably just go there and see what they recommend, 'cuz the online world just isn't giving me consistent info on dishwashers the way it has with other products I've researched.



    Not sure which one is stronger now since I no longer purchase disposable white goods. But from personal experiences, avoid All General Electric, Viking and those LG that are NOT made in South Korea. My current dishwasher is Imported directly from Japan because I got tired of replacing parts that cost more than a new equipment.


    I looked at Viking dishwashers, and it seems they're not very reliable. We purchased a Viking gas cooktop last year, and so far, the only flaw is the enamel chipping in a few places. The burners and ignition system are flawless and absolutely fantastic. Companies do have strengths and weaknesses. For example, our old Kitchen-Aid gas cooktop was purchased at the same time as the Kitchen-Aid dishwasher, and it was a piece of crap from day one; looking back, I don't know why we put up with it for 18 years. But, 19 years later, the same company's dishwasher still works fine, albeit noisily.